Siege

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Osborn's in the Raft now, so I'm sure he'll either break himself out or get broken out pretty quickly. The Raft may as well be made of cardboard.

 

[Anubis]

Well, lets be fair, no super prison has ever held a super villain, in any comic universe. (except for the one in the Wildstorm U which managed to hold that Doctor that went nuts for like 20 years, and they let him out for an hour in exchange for helping them take down some other threat, and Jack Hawksmore had to make Mexico City jump on him.)

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

What are you talking about? Dark Reign and Siege were all about Osborn hitting the big time.

I meant now that that is finished, when he makes a come back, will he be a huge threat or back to being just a spidey villain. I always seen norman as marvels joker yeah he has a strong connection to one hero but could easily take on the majority of the rest of them.

marvel has a habit of building people up for a single story and then letting them fall back into the old rut,

 

[Eros]

I meant now that that is finished, when he makes a come back, will he be a huge threat or back to being just a spidey villain. I always seen norman as marvels joker yeah he has a strong connection to one hero but could easily take on the majority of the rest of them.

marvel has a habit of building people up for a single story and then letting them fall back into the old rut,

OSborne only was a huge threat Because he had power, he lost the power, and no one will ever give him that kind of power again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm expecting him to put back on the Green Goblin costume and stick to harassing Spider-Man again. His time on top was basically a fluke. He appeared on national television wearing goblin makeup after he instigated a war with a city of gods. No one's going to see Osborn as anything but a loon now.

 

[SouLeSS]

But that was the Goblin, not Osborne

 

[Manic]

Same difference. Everybody knows that Osborn is the Goblin, which I should note is something that made his rise to power less believable.

 

[SouLeSS]

Same difference. Everybody knows that Osborn is the Goblin, which I should note is something that made his rise to power less believable.

Spoiler

-tch-

That seems to disagree with you. And it's cannon.

 

[kguillou]

Spoiler

-tch-

That seems to disagree with you. And it's cannon.

Btw, what the hell was up with the artwork in DA 16? The colorist COMPLETELY ruined Deodato's pencils by painting over it. I dunno, usually i'm a sucker for "painter-ly" styles but it just didnt look right with Deodato, it just looked weird to me. I dunno, anyone else feel that way?

 

[Manic]

Spoiler

-tch-

That seems to disagree with you. And it's cannon.

So... what? Norman has dissociative personality disorder, thus he's not dangerous?

 

[SouLeSS]

Did I say that? You (and other) have simply said that Goblin and Osborne are the same person, when Bendis wrote it the complete opposite. Osborne isn't that bad of a guy (based on Bendis), and his "evil" ideas (taking on Asgard, amongst other thing) were basically the Goblin's doing, not his.

And for what it's worth, Osborne is 100% correct. The way the Marvel Earth works is assbackwards in regards to the super hero thing.

 

[Specter313]

That doesn't prove anything other than the goblin is a part of Osborn. It comes across as just another part of his personality that he is imagining as something, something which only he can see which further shows the goblin is something that's a part of his mind and his alone, separate to justify to himself that he's not crazy and everything he does is right. Until the Goblin is separated from him in a physical manner, there's nothing proving that they aren't one in the same.

 

[SouLeSS]

Way to not understand what I was saying at all.

 

[Manic]

I don't think you understand what some of us are saying. Even if Osborn and the Goblin are two separate personalities, that still makes Osborn a loon with multiple personalities. There may be two minds, but they are both housed inside of one being. And that one being is dangerous as long as he's both Norman Osborn and the Green Goblin at the same time.

 

[Saint]

Did I say that? You (and other) have simply said that Goblin and Osborne are the same person,

That's because they are the same person, whether Norman sees it that way or not.

 

[Anubis]

Trying to blame his *****e baggyness on some alternate personality doesn't escape the fact that he's still a crazy A-hole.

 

[Manic]

It certainly doesn't fly in a court of law. Assuming you can get a judge/jury to accept multiple personalities in an insanity defense, both of those personalities are getting sentenced to a mental hospital. You can't sentence the dangerous personality and let the lucid personality run free. It's one dangerous man.

 

[SouLeSS]

Yes, I understand. They're the "same person". But they're not. At all. Bendis wrote Osborne as trying to actually do good, and the thing that kept ****ing him up (i.e. Asgard, cause that was pretty much is only real major big public disaster) was when the Goblin persona would take over, or when it talked him into invading Asgard. Which we know was actually Loki. Loki essentially took him from actually trying and wanting to do good, and manipulated him via the Goblin Persona to take on Asgard for yet unknown reasons (Loki being the master of "everything went according to plan" and all). Stands to reason that without Loki interfering he'd actually have done a good job. Because, lets be honest, he's right down to the ****ing letter.

 

[Anubis]

Maybe that's what you read, but what I read was Lex Luthor reasoning.

 

[SouLeSS]

Lex Luthor reasoning is Superman is an alien who only holds back humanity, whereas Osborne reasoning is one day soon one of these guys are going to **** up, big time, and that'll be it.

Kinda like how Stamford happened, only on a much larger scale. He's absolutely 100% correct in that, if the universe didn't have it's plot armor, the earth would have been destroyed long ago by The Hulk, or Punisher killing the wrong person would set off the nukes, etc etc etc.

 

[Anubis]

Bull....s**t.

What it comes down to is a greedy, evil, *****e, believing his own hype. that's all that little scene was.

A man who was never a good man, playing at being a good man. That's Luthorism. Blaming everybody but the *****e bag in the mirror.

 

[SouLeSS]

You saying he's wrong then?

Cause I mean, Stamford happening in comics is proof enough. And yes, I know it's all part of one overarching longass story and what not and because of Stamford this eventually happened, but you gonna tell me that something like Stamford wouldn't happen again and that Norman is wrong when he says that one day soon everything is gonna end because people think they can just do whatever the hell they want?

He's right. There's no debating that. His methods were a bit extreme at times, but that was more or less because he wasn't held back by the standard super-hero "OMG WE CANT KILL!", and wasn't afraid to pull the trigger on the "big targets".

BUT ANYWAY, BACK TO SIEGE

 

[Manic]

If Norman Osborn was a good man who only did bad things when his Goblin persona took over, then he must've been the Goblin 24/7. A good man wouldn't have thought it was a good idea to hire known murderers to be the Avengers and ally himself with several other murderers to further his own power and influence. "The heroes will accidentally destroy the world, so my best hope is to join forces with people who intentionally try to destroy the world"-- what kind of logic is that? If that was the Goblin's influence, then what decisions did Norman make without influence from the Goblin?

I can accept that Norman Osborn has a split personality, but he's not exactly Jekyll & Hyde here. He's more like Hyde & Hyde on a drug bender.

 

[SouLeSS]

If he allied himself with them, he could keep better tabs and control them better.

So, a smart move on his part.

 

[fifthfiend]

Well, Osborn's in the Raft now, so I'm sure he'll either break himself out or get broken out pretty quickly. The Raft may as well be made of cardboard.

Comic book prison, the even less final fate than comic book death.

Well, lets be fair, no super prison has ever held a super villain, in any comic universe. (except for the one in the Wildstorm U which managed to hold that Doctor that went nuts for like 20 years, and they let him out for an hour in exchange for helping them take down some other threat, and Jack Hawksmore had to make Mexico City jump on him.)

What amazed me was that a Wildstorm villain made it all the way to a prison before anyone managed to murder him.