Since DCEU copies MCU as much as they can,will they do a black lead like Blk Panther?

[The Batman]

John succesfully carried the Green Lantern title for 2 years (1984 to 1986), during a period where Hal Jordan left the Green Lantern Corps. John became the lead Green Lantern for that period, and it was a pretty excellent run.

Sounds like John is more of an temporary replacement than a lead, but fair enough.

Anyone can carry the Green Lantern franchise, as long as they wear the ring. It's entirely down to the writers and editorial. Hal Jordan only has prominence today because Geoff Johns has a major ***** for him.

Which isn't any different than the "*****" Bruce Timm had for John, or the one DC had for Kyle in the 90's.

 

[Chance Jackson]

^ which again goes to the idea that anyone can carry the franchise

A solo cyborg movie seem like a bad idea but Cyborg spinning off to form a team of movie titans that he leads sounds good to me!

A Static or John Stewert JL movie is the way to go for black lead DC character movie

 

[LTuser]

What i would like to know, is why do they feel they even NEED to say "Ok lets ensure we have at least one of x ethnicity, one of Y gender identity and the like" in most tv these days?? Its almost like they are saying "IF a show or film" doesn't hit a certain # of wickets, its not good?

 

[Zarex]

What i would like to know, is why do they feel they even NEED to say "Ok lets ensure we have at least one of x ethnicity, one of Y gender identity and the like" in most tv these days?? Its almost like they are saying "IF a show or film" doesn't hit a certain # of wickets, its not good?

Its good business. People are more likely to watch a show or buy a movie ticket if the characters onscreen reflect their own personal experiences and/or have a common ethnic or racial background. Filmmakers and show runners can't afford to leave dollars on the table even if it means triggering white supremacist snowflakes who can't deal with the fact that everything's not always about them.

 

[The Batman]

^ which again goes to the idea that anyone can carry the franchise

That's a statement lacking in nuance, and guys like Semper and Juan1193 reveal their ulterior motive by claiming Hal, who's been lead GL for much of his near 60 year existence, only has prominence because one writer has a "*****" for him. What a silly thing to say, and its especially silly when you're caping for John Stewart, a guy with a short lived tenure as lead GL and another short lived comic who was nonetheless given prominence in the JL cartoon over Kyle, the actual lead GL at the time, because Bruce Timm wanted John.

 

[semper]

Several of the silver age legacy characters are very replacable. Barry Allen was dead for nearly 25 years in the comics, and the world survived. Hal was dead for over a decade, and the franchise ticked along. These characters/properties are mostly about about the costumes and powers, not the individual.

It doesn't even have to be John. Put Jessica Cruz in the lead in a well directed, highly entertaining GL movie, and to the rest of the world, she will be THE Green Lantern. A good Green Lantern movie with Cruz would probably be a hit.

There's no ulterior motive, but Hal has had his shot in the movies. He's not Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent. Certain fanboy loyalty to him being the generic "hotshot" that writers have always favored in comics, doesn't mean he'll be missed if some other Lantern takes the mantle in a movie. I got nothing against Hal, but he's a boring and stale archtype at this point, that putting on a fresh coat of paint would probably benefit the movie, whether it's a black Lantern or a female Lantern. There's half a dozen franchise leads playing a version of Hal Jordan right now....Chris Pine as Captain Kirk, Chris Pratt as Starlord, whoever is playing Han Solo now etc (these are just Hal by different names). Hal brings nothing to the table but prominence in the comics.

Even Guy Gardner's "principled jerk" has more to offer in terms of bringing a fresher characterisation to the archtype Hal represents. I feel even a Guy Gardner led GL movie would offer something more interesting than Hal

 

[The Batman]

These characters/properties are mostly about about the costumes and powers, not the individual.

This is the type of lame comment Mark Millar would say. If that were actually true, creators and fans alike wouldn't develop attachments to specific Green Lanterns.

I got nothing against Hal, but he's a boring and stale archtype at this point

In other words...you have something against Hal. I mean, I can whittle down most GL's to overused archetypes too. When John isn't being a boring black guy, he's often the angry Black guy like in the O'Neil/Adams days, or the gruff stern black guy like in JL/JLU. Guy is the "Principled jerkass" you can see in any several Marvel films, and Kyle is basically Peter Parker with a Power Ring.

 

[LTuser]

triggering white supremacist snowflakes who can't deal with the fact that everything's not always about them.

So, someone against having all these films or shows, having to hit certain PC wickets, must be a white supremacist snowflake??
Strange, we whites, were not the ones rampaging around in tears, last year, demanding safe spaces, pacifiers, emotional support animals etc, were we?
AND we saw just how well 'pcing out a film' worked for that last ghostbusters didn't we..

 

[Zarex]

So, someone against having all these films or shows, having to hit certain PC wickets, must be a white supremacist snowflake??

It's business, not personal. If having to look at folks with slightly darker skin than you has you clutching your pearls you can always opt to stay home.

Strange, we whites, were not the ones rampaging around in tears, last year, demanding safe spaces, pacifiers, emotional support animals etc, were we?
AND we saw just how well 'pcing out a film' worked for that last ghostbusters didn't we..

Speaking as a caucasian American, I ask that you refrain from lumping me in with the likes of you. But "We Whites" are just as emotionally needy as everyone else, including the gun fetishists that simply can't live without their mass murdering binkies.

The Ghostbusters movie failed because it was a mediocre reboot, not because the cast had all those nasty lady parts. Diverse casts sell to most movie goers that aren't awful human beings.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

The Ghostbusters movie failed because it was a mediocre reboot, not because the cast had all those nasty lady parts.

Probably true, although there was a lot of hatred for that film online as soon as the casting was announced. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw such an outpouring for a movie before a single frame had even been shot.

 

[Zarex]

Probably true, although there was a lot of hatred for that film online as soon as the casting was announced. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw such an outpouring for a movie before a single frame had even been shot.

I think if the all lady version was a sequel as opposed to a reboot the reception would have been much better. I liked it more than GB 2, but the decision to erase the first two flicks was both foolish and unnecessary.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I think if the all lady version was a sequel as opposed to a reboot the reception would have been much better. I liked it more than GB 2, but the decision to erase the first two flicks was both foolish and unnecessary.

Interesting thought.

 

[fan4stic]

Speaking as a caucasian American, I ask that you refrain from lumping me in with the likes of you. But "We Whites" are just as emotionally needy as everyone else, including the gun fetishists that simply can't live without their mass murdering binkies.

Guns don't mass murder anything. People who mass murder do.

 

[mclay18]

I imagine that Cyborg's solo film is back on the table. He's already been established in JL (as much as people loathe to admit), Ray Fisher is already under contract (as is Joe Morton), and he was decently received as the character. No clue on whether there's a script written, let alone a treatment.

GLC has been in development longer (and the studio already has several drafts), so if WB were to fast-track a film to capitalize on BP's success, GLC would probably be it. Cyborg would make more sense though.

 

[Zarex]

Guns don't mass murder anything. People who mass murder do.

Yet industrualized countries around the world also have lots of people but dont suffer from daily mass shootings. Its almost as if the easy access to devices designed to kill lots of people in an efficient manner create an environment in which that sort of thing happens. Crazy!

 

[Juan1193]

That's a statement lacking in nuance, and guys like Semper and Juan1193 reveal their ulterior motive by claiming Hal, who's been lead GL for much of his near 60 year existence, only has prominence because one writer has a "*****" for him. What a silly thing to say, and its especially silly when you're caping for John Stewart, a guy with a short lived tenure as lead GL and another short lived comic who was nonetheless given prominence in the JL cartoon over Kyle, the actual lead GL at the time, because Bruce Timm wanted John.

How do I have an ulterior motive? John isn't even my favorite Green Lantern, Jessica Cruz is. I simply answered the question that this thread asked. John Stewart is DC's best bet at a successful Black led superhero film, since they don't own Static.

So, someone against having all these films or shows, having to hit certain PC wickets, must be a white supremacist snowflake??

Representation is not some "PC wickets" but adapting to changing demographics and a growing international audience. Also the Fast & Furious, Suicide Squad and now Black Panther films show that diverse casts lead to a more diverse audience aka more money. Hollywood is a business and businesses love money!

Strange, we whites, were not the ones rampaging around in tears, last year, demanding safe spaces, pacifiers, emotional support animals etc, were we?

Statements like that are a dead giveaway for your political leanings. And yes, "You Whites" were the ones doing just that! Though I think that's a step-up from reactions to Obama winning in 08 and 12

AND we saw just how well 'pcing out a film' worked for that last ghostbusters didn't we..

Why bring up Ghost Busters? All the characters mentioned in this thread are not gender swaps or race swaps but actual diverse characters!

 

[semper]

I imagine that Cyborg's solo film is back on the table. He's already been established in JL (as much as people loathe to admit), Ray Fisher is already under contract (as is Joe Morton), and he was decently received as the character. No clue on whether there's a script written, let alone a treatment.

GLC has been in development longer (and the studio already has several drafts), so if WB were to fast-track a film to capitalize on BP's success, GLC would probably be it. Cyborg would make more sense though.

Ray Fisher has getting on with his career. He's been cast in Season 3 of True Detective.

Making a Cyborg film because Black Panther did well is the dumbest thing ever. Black Panther is huge for a number of reasons (not least because it's Marvel). A Cyborg solo is not going to be some cultural event. Cyborg is not neccesarily a black superhero to aspire to either like BP. A constantly mopey and depressed man who is a shell of his former humanity. Not exactly WakandaForever.

Mr Terrific (Michael Holt) should actually be DC's premiere black hero, and I think he's got that aspirational quality that Black Panther has (a genius, self made billionaire). I feel he's almost got that status within the DC comics universe. He's been the Chairman of the Justice Society. He's respected by the likes of Batman as an equal (being the third smartest man on DC earth and all). And he's just got a new title with an entire team named after him (The Terrifics). He's been horribly adapted on the Arrow TV. But if they just sort of ignored that, and adapted him for movies, he could be very aspirational black superhero.

 

[LTuser]

I think if the all lady version was a sequel as opposed to a reboot the reception would have been much better. I liked it more than GB 2, but the decision to erase the first two flicks was both foolish and unnecessary.

It MIGHt have also gone down better, had they had ladies who could act! AND had a better plotline.. like say starting out where they are training under the old (and close to retiring) crew.. then fade away to a few years down the road, and BAM they are needed...

 

[mclay18]

Ray Fisher has getting on with his career. He's been cast in Season 3 of True Detective.

Making a Cyborg film because Black Panther did well is the dumbest thing ever. Black Panther is huge for a number of reasons (not least because it's Marvel). A Cyborg solo is not going to be some cultural event. Cyborg is not necessarily a black superhero to aspire to either like BP. A constantly mopey and depressed man who is a shell of his former humanity. Not exactly WakandaForever.

"True Detective" is produced by HBO, whose parent company also owns Warner Brothers. If WB chooses to fast-track Cyborg while Fisher is doing TD, they can coordinate his schedules.

As for the aspirational quality of Cyborg, he shows that you can be an amputee superhero. A good Cyborg film would absolutely resonate with that theme while setting itself apart from BP. WB doesn't have to ride BP's coattails completely.

Getting the right director for Cyborg will help things immeasurably. No one thought WW would be as good as it was, even with Jenkins behind the camera. Ditto for Coogler and BP.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

I miss John Stewart

 

[semper]

"True Detective" is produced by HBO, whose parent company also owns Warner Brothers. If WB chooses to fast-track Cyborg while Fisher is doing TD, they can coordinate his schedules.

As for the aspirational quality of Cyborg, he shows that you can be an amputee superhero. A good Cyborg film would absolutely resonate with that theme while setting itself apart from BP. WB doesn't have to ride BP's coattails completely.

Getting the right director for Cyborg will help things immeasurably. No one thought WW would be as good as it was, even with Jenkins behind the camera. Ditto for Coogler and BP.

Cyborg is not, and never has been a solo character. He's got no mythology of his own to draw upon. Who is his main villain supposed to be? Does he even have one? You cannot compare him to Wonder Woman and Black Panther who have decades of mythology, rouges gallery and worlds to draw from.

Aside from his "origin story", which has been hastily covered in Justice League, Cyborg has got no mythology of his own. It's all directly linked to his time with the Titans. Are they going to just steal Titans storylines and villains, and completely cut out the rest of the Titans to make it look like Cyborg had significant solo adventures? That'll go down well with the fans. A Cyborg movie is a terrible idea.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

As for the aspirational quality of Cyborg, he shows that you can be an amputee superhero. A good Cyborg film would absolutely resonate with that theme while setting itself apart from BP. WB doesn't have to ride BP's coattails completely.

Hmm. I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure. Vic Stone may be an amputee but he has artificial arms and legs that allow him to do anything an able-bodied person can do - and then some. When reading a story featuring Cyborg it's easy to forget exactly what his physical condition is under all that tech; in fact a first-time reader may not realise it at all. Contrast that with say Barbara Gordon, who was for many years a huge inspiration to disabled readers as Oracle. She was wheelchair-bound and we saw day to day how she lived with that. Virtually every time we saw her - other than in extreme close-up - her disability was part that image. We never forgot. As far as their physical depictions go Vic may be a fantasy wish-fulfillment for some similarly afflicted people but Barbara was the reality for many.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Yeah I don't even know who cyborg's villain are

a virus?

 

[mclay18]

Cyborg is not, and never has been a solo character. He's got no mythology of his own to draw upon. Who is his main villain supposed to be? Does he even have one? You cannot compare him to Wonder Woman and Black Panther who have decades of mythology, rouges gallery and worlds to draw from.

Aside from his "origin story", which has been hastily covered in Justice League, Cyborg has got no mythology of his own. It's all directly linked to his time with the Titans. Are they going to just steal Titans storylines and villains, and completely cut out the rest of the Titans to make it look like Cyborg had significant solo adventures? That'll go down well with the fans. A Cyborg movie is a terrible idea.

I can see them bringing in a few of the Titans, and possibly Ezra's Flash. If WB is putting a Cyborg film back on the table, I have faith that Geoff Johns will come up with a good story for one.

 

[Juan1193]

Yeah I don't even know who cyborg's villain are

a virus?

Grid is probably his most iconic due to Injustice 2 but there's also Anomaly, Ratattack, and Variant. The Technosapiens are probably his most impressive foes, but they're a bit complicated to introduce without reworking some things.