Singer mentioned that this would vaguely tie in with Smallville, how so???

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  1. King Krypton Registered

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    But whereas Jonathan died of natural causes in the Reeve/Routh timeline, Smallville's Jonathan died as a result of Clark willingly sacrificing one life in exchange for reviving Lana. The last thing I want to see the movie acknowledge is Superman being responsible for the death of his own father.

    The only connection I want to see is the Fortress. Anything else would be a waste of time.
     
  2. Mentok Registered

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    Singer only said that it (the film) would be accessable to Smallville fans. They dont make any direct links, rather they leave it open for people to make their own links between the film and show.
     
  3. Showtime Your Friend In Time

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    It doesn't matter how he died, the point is that the character died, Pa Kent was killed off to line it up.
     
  4. LostSon88 Registered

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    I'm not, and I consider myself a "Crazy Ass Die Hard Smallville Fan". :confused:

    I'm actually looking forward to Superman Returns. :supes:

    Please don't generalize.
     
  5. SuperDaniel Registered

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    oF COURSE IT MATTERS...Smallville simply killed the Superman character in that episode...
     
  6. Scooter Registered

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    Who here has seen the episode?
     
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    I have. I just didnt like how Pa Kent's death was written. In season 2, Clark put on a red K ring (knowing full well how dangerous it makes him) and went to the highly populated Metropolis (which is pretty irresponsible). The Kents waited for 3 months but realized he was robbing banks, putting lives in danger and he actually joined up with Morgan Edge. Jonathan had no choice but to go to Jorel for help to bring Clark home. Jorel gave Jonathan Kryptonian powers temporarily but later in season 3, he realized the powers messed up his heart and he had a near fatal heart attack.

    Later in season 5, Clark disobeyed Jorel and was turned into a mortal. A week later he got himself shot and killed. Jorel was forced to bring Clark back but told him of the consequences, the lifeforce of someone he loves will be taken.

    It ended up being Lana. Clark starting crying and shouting. He went to Jorel and demanded he fix and Jorel gave him the chance to go back in time but inferred to him that saving Lana's life would just mean another close to him would die. Clark didnt care and hastely made the decision...

    Later in the episode, Jonathan Kent dies. His heart fails. So Clark and Jor-el basically have a direct part in John's death. The worst part is Jonathan and Jorel hated each other. Jor-el tried to strangle him in season 3 and ended up putting John in a coma for 3 months!.....

    So yea, hopefully thats not adapted into SR, lol.
     
  8. I am Superman Registered

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    I hope not.

    SV, which i do enjoy, has bastardised Jor-el into a villain which he is not.
     
  9. KaptainKrypton Registered

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    Most of the characters on the show (the Luthors being the exception) were already DOA long before that episode.
     
  10. Kane Guest

    I doubt SR will do the same since the Marlon Brando Jor-El was the total opposite of the SV one.

    The funny thing is the SV one is played by ZOD.
     
  11. Trooper Registered

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    JOR-EL IS NOT EVIL IN SMALLVILLE
    IT LIVES UP TO DONNERS MOVIES
    AND IS JUST WHAT IT IS TO KEEP THE SUPERMAN MYTHOS LIVING ON AND STRONG...

    i cant believe some you guys dont like it.. its doing its job, theres kids that never bothered about superman now into it...
     
  12. LostSon88 Registered

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    Exactly. Just look at this lost dialogue from Superman II and tell me that it isn't straight from the SV characterization of Jor-El:

    "Listen carefully, my son, for we shall never speak again. If you hear me now, then you have made use of the only means left to you - the crystal source through which our communication was begun. The circle is now complete. You have made a dreadful mistake, Kal-El. You have abandoned the world for the sake of private ambition. You did this of your own free will, and in spite of all I could say to dissuade you. Now you have returned here to me for one last chance to redeem yourself. This too - finally - I have anticipated, my son. (pause) Look at me, Kal-El... Once before, when you were small, I died while giving you a chance for life. And now, even though it will exhaust the final energy left within me... Look at me, Kal-El!... The Kryptonian prophe[c]y will be at last fulfilled. The son becomes the father - the father becomes the son. Goodbye forever, Kal-El. Remember me, my son..."

    The SV Jor-El IMHO is in line with what Donner originally intended w/ the character, give or take a few aspects.
     
  13. Kane Guest

    And then Jor-El puts Jonathan in a coma and tries to kill Chloe in the Fortress.....hmm

    I wonder how he got all that Kryptonite in ancient China...:confused:
     
  14. Captain Villa Registered

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    You have lost me.

    SV Jor-el is evil.
     
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    thats a good one...really pay attention to it though...it is the type of set design unlike any other daily planet we've ever seen...when you see it...you can tell that it is extremely obvious...the DP set is one of the connections from SV to SR...
     
  16. Showtime Your Friend In Time

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    I wish I could see! Damn you Xplode!
     
  17. SuperDaniel Registered

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    No. Jor-el is evil in Smallville. He always threats Clark. Jonathans dead was Clark`s choice. Smallville will never be Superman. I must admit that there`s been some really good episodes but this episode 100 destroyed everything in my opinion. Superman is not Peter Parker. He should never became who he is because of guilt. Read Superman for all seasons. That`s the best Superman origin story.
     
  18. Scooter Registered

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    I don't think so. It's an unresolved issue.
     
  19. explode7 Registered

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    SV Jor-el is evil? Hmmmmm. Never thought about it but it maybe true.
     
  20. sevinw0rds positivity is encouraged

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    I think another direct correlation between SV and SR is the design of Smallville itself. I mean the Kent home is a throwback to the Donner film, but when I first saw the clip of Routh in the white shirt with his hand clasped in front of him (from the comic-con reel), I couldn't help but think of the show...I agree that it shouldn't take the show into account too much, becasue it has taken some liberties. But the sad truth is that there are plenty of kids (and adults) whose only connection to the man of steel is Smallville...to alienate them would only hurt the film's potential demographic, so its cool that there will be elements both old and new :up:
     
  21. Scooter Registered

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    Lol, "Sad truth." Melodramatic, anyone?
     
  22. sevinw0rds positivity is encouraged

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    should I have left the adjective out? I'm just basing it on the fact that I do know a handful of people who didn't even know why the show was called Smallville before an episode ever aired...or what his Krytponian birthname is, thats all.
     
  23. Kane Guest

    Hes not evil. Hes just comes off as a bastard from being poorly written.
     
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    For the love of God, don't tie it into Smallville! Actually...I don't really care, I just hate Smallville.
     
  25. storyteller Registered

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    Smallville wont even slightly tie in with superman returns. I mean the clark scene in the movie basically negates like all the bull that the writers on smallville came up with. Also i dont see how a porno can tie in with what singers trying to do.
     

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