Superman Returns Singer mentioned that this would vaguely tie in with Smallville, how so???

[Kane]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

 

[Scooter]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

It's all degrees of the same thing.

 

[LostSon88]

I agree, making Lana part of the Superman mythology was their biggest misstep. I would've preferred if they had kept her as the classic "girl-next door", naive to everything going on around her.

But still, with all of their mistakes, I feel like SV has done more to add to the Superman legacy as opposed to taking away from it...Its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses as a whole.

I mean for me, I try to take into account certain elements that somewhat doomed SV throughout the years:

-Season 3: When they introduced the "Adam Knight" character, apparantly Al & Miles wanted to do something else with that character and his arc but due to some outside forces (?) they had to scrap their initial idea (whatever it was) and thus the terrible serum storyline took place.

-Season 4: The tragic passing of Chris Reeve really threw Season 4 out of sync as they were planning to have the "Dr. Swann" character play a big part in the season. It also didn't help their initial ideas when Kidder refused to continue the role of Bridget Crosby which would in all likelihood have continued the original storyline as it was intended. However since she bailed, the producers were again caught in a sitation where they had to tweak their plans (for the worse).

So yeah for me yes there have been some elements where SV has been really stupid but the way I see it, some of those missteps were out of their control.

 

[Kane]

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

It's all degrees of the same thing.

Its not suspension of disbelief. Ask any of the hardcore supes fans on this board. It can actually be done if done properly....its the glasses, voice, hair, clothes, personality, mannerisms, actions, etc....

I think there will be a very recognizable and real difference between Superman and his 'Clark Kent' disguise in this film.

 

[Scooter]

Most of the fourth season was a low point...

 

[Showtime]

Then again Lex knowing Clark in Smallville for this long is a trap unto itself. Its kinda impossible to believe he wouldnt recognize Clark as Superman in the bluelights.....unless hes a dimwit..

But hes supposed to be the world's greatest genious... hmm

I think the comic writers are very smart men overall, they tend to retcon certain things for a reason.

As far as Lois goes for SR, it all depends on how its executed, we will have to see. Alot of SV's liberties are usually executed poorly; Lana the magic witch, the kryptofreaks etc...

I do agree with Showtime that the show had potential in early season one. The pilot is probably my favorite episode of Smallville.

Pilot=Best Smallville Episode Ever

I don't see GAM or GODS AMONG MEN in your sig? What happened.

 

[Scooter]

Its not suspension of disbelief.

Okaay...

 

[Tomar-Re]

SV is obviously a different interpertation of the Superman universe. I don't think they ever intended SV to reach the point where Clark finally makes the transition to Superman so why not have fun with the story. Even though the SV can get VERY cheesy at times, i'm glad they've incorporiated most of the central classic characters with a unique and fresh twist.

 

[LostSon88]

Wrong. Its all about the execution. SV just made it impossible. Even all the SV fans would prefer if Lois and Lex know that Clark is Superman early on.....since the writers dug themselves into a whole with it.

The way I see it (as a SV fan), I would prefer if Lex did know about Clark/Superman's identity in the future but b/c of his tremendous ego, he develps a type of "plausable deniability" in that he knows the truth but refuses to accept that he, "Lex Luthor", one of the most brilliant minds in the world, could be so blind/stupid.

With Lois, I would also prefer that she know the truth but keeps it to herself for the same reason he told Chloe...Lois would play dumb until Clark is comfortable enough to tell her the truth.

SV is obviously a different interpertation of Superman universe. I don't think the ever intended SV to reach the point where Clark finally makes the transition to Superman. Even though the SV can get VERY cheesy at times, i'm glad they've incorporiated most of the central classic characters with a unique and fresh twist.

Exactly.

 

[Kane]

Pilot=Best Smallville Episode Ever

I don't see GAM or GODS AMONG MEN in your sig? What happened.

It will be soon. Im just leaving my current one up temporarily to get a certain message across.

 

[Kane]

The way I see it (as a SV fan), I would prefer if Lex did know about Clark/Superman's identity in the future but b/c of his tremendous ego, he develps a type of "plausable deniability" in that he knows the truth but refuses to accept that he, "Lex Luthor", one of the most brilliant minds in the world, could be so blind/stupid.

With Lois, I would also prefer that she know the truth but keeps it to herself for the same reason he told Chloe...Lois would play dumb until Clark is comfortable enough to tell her the truth.

I dont like that idea with Lois, it makes Clark look like an idiot...moreso.

Lex with his denial kinda counters everything on SV though considering how much he suspects Clark and investigates him...he knows somethings up with him....so yea, it wouldnt work in this case.

 

[skruloos]

Suspension of disbelief. Do you honestly think no one would recognize a guy after he put on a pair of glasses and slouched a bit?

If I had met Reeve's Clark and Superman in real life, I'd have been hard pressed to assume they were one in the same. He completely transformed between characters. If he hadn't made Clark so overly clumsy as to attract attention, he would disappear completely in a crowd.

 

[Kane]

Ya and Brandon looks even more different between them.

 

[Scooter]

If I had met Reeve's Clark and Superman in real life, I'd have been hard pressed to assume they were one in the same. He completely transformed between characters. If he hadn't made Clark so overly clumsy as to attract attention, he would disappear completely in a crowd.

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.

 

[Tomar-Re]

Its not suspension of disbelief. Ask any of the hardcore supes fans on this board. It can actually be done if done properly....its the glasses, voice, hair, clothes, personality, mannerisms, actions, etc....

I think there will be a very recognizable and real difference between Superman and his 'Clark Kent' disguise in this film.

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

 

[Tomar-Re]

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.

Not a plausible guise, what do you suggest then? it's a comic book for crying out loud

 

[Scooter]

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

My only problem with Reeve's "disguise" was that it was too over-the-top.

 

[Scooter]

Not a plausible guise, but what do you suggest? it's a comic book for crying out loud

Note the last line of that post, as well as the numerous references I've made to "suspension of disbelief."

 

[Tomar-Re]

My only problem with Reeve's "disguise" was that it was too over-the-top.

well we both agree on that.

 

[Tomar-Re]

Note the last line of that post, as well as the numerous references I've made to "suspension of disbelief."

bahah i can't believe i missed that

 

[skruloos]

There's no doubt he differentiated between the characters with his performance. It would be very easy to believe they weren't the same person...if they didn't look exactly the same. If I had met both of them in real life, the jig would be up after a handshake. It just isn't a plausible disguise, IMO.

That's not to say I don't like it within the myth though.

That's assuming that you were looking for them to be the same person in the first place. I would have no reason to suspect that Clark could be Superman. Hell, I know a lot of people who look similar to celebrities. Doesn't mean they are. That's the point. Clark would be such a nobody that I would never think that someone with powers like Superman would ever want to be someone like Clark.

 

[Scooter]

That's assuming that you were looking for them to be the same person in the first place. I would have no reason to suspect that Clark could be Superman. Hell, I know a lot of people who look similar to celebrities. Doesn't mean they are. That's the point. Clark would be such a nobody that I would never think that someone with powers like Superman would ever want to be someone like Clark.

Well, then, I guess we disagree (shocker!).

 

[skruloos]

Well, then, I guess we disagree (shocker!).

Answer me one question. If Superman were real and you had never read any Superman comics, why would you assume that Superman had another identity?

 

[Scooter]

Answer me one question. If Superman were real and you had never read any Superman comics, why would you assume that Superman had another identity?

Dunno.

 

[LostSon88]

Because every superhero has a secret identity?