Smallville is an elseworlds series and should end that way

[The Caped Knight]

And this which was way before SR [Lois & Clark : The New adventures of Superman ] series finale episode "The Family Hour"

"This answered a question for our heroes -- do they ever actually have their own biological child? [T]he answer is yes...and this baby is the proof of that.

http://www.redboots.net/lc-faq/Q31.htm

 

[The Caped Knight]

The baby issue was brought up many times [way before Singer] Only thing is Dc comics has been dangling with the issue for a long time, but Singer finally to the steps to the plate and brought the issue striaght forward.

And I for one I'm happy he did .

We get a new kind of insight in the lives of Lois & Clark/SUPERMAN .

[They make a perfect married couple in the mythology]

[Now let's see them as parents rasing their own child] [ Let See how Lois will balance her life as The Top reporter of The Daily Planet as well as a mother.] [Let See Clark raise his child the same way Jonathan & Martha raised him into the Man he is today .]

 

[AgentPat]

Mxy's Bundle of Joy?

Hey, what's the date on that issue of AOS with "The Satanic Son of Superman?"
[Looks closer at artwork]

Was that published back when Star Trek first aired? Just curious.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Even now in Donners [original version of superman III] in Action Comics 844

 

[Kaboom]

Lionel Luthor!

 

[SatEL]

Just to add what Hulk said: Even your precious comics are not in continuity with each other. Every iteration usually covers the basics of the character, which Smallville has done.

Look at the comics, Superman has several different takes on his origin, just in the comics, some of them contradicting the others. Every twenty years, DC destroys their continuity and starts over. It's just the way it is, what is wrong with another take on the character by other writers? It's just the way the business goes.

As far as flaws, the comics also has them, as does ANY other media involving this character. You can't escape it.

Lois being in Smallville: the comics did it first
Lex knowing Clark in Smallville: the comics did it first, then redid it in Birthright. (Another origin story that contradicted most of the known continuity)
Many of Superman's villains showing up early: The comics did that too.
Superman having a kid: well...only one person made that snafu, and unfortunately it's carrying over into the comics, but some writer will come along eventually and take care of that for us.

There are errors in all the media, why people focus so much on things Smallville does, I'll never know.

Oh gosh.

1)ll see it like this in smallville even a normal human can have kryptonian powers.

2)Jorel is now a god who can do many miracles.

3)I wont even get started on how many people know clarks secret.

4)Lois Lane in smallville.

5)Perry white having strolled through smallville.

6)Jimmy olsen in smallville

7) Lex Luthor in smallville(and heres where it gets hilarious his clarks best friend)

8)Clark never fought his destiny even as a young man he always bore that responsibilty thats what some view as the tragic part of clarks life the fact his always been superman wherether in costume or not.

Look guys i am probably going to get responses based on this post and posting this in a smallville forum is asking for trouble so i ask please when responding dont use hostile words. We are all friends here right no need to attack like animals right?

 

[Kaboom]

you have never posted here before, you are not my friend. i don't know you. and i scrolled back through the posts, i see no hostile words. i see nothing but diplomacy and discussion...begs the question, are you trying to engender ill-will?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Why is there even a debate on this SV is an elseworld tell and always will be. Just like Superman Returns, All-Star Superman, Lois & Clark, Kingdom Come, Superman: Red Sun, etc. There is nothing wrong with that as well as there is nothing wrong with the new origin SV is doing since it is its own tale on Superman. As far as a kid goes Kal-El 8 proved that it was done way before SR and there is nothing wrong with Superman having a kid. Hell some people think it was wrong for superman and Lois to get married and still feel that way and look at how long that has been since they were married!!!! Lets face until SV makes it into the comics and don't say Birthright did it for them because Waid has stated over and over he took nothing from SV to make that book and the single greatest thing to ever come out of there was that they made the Kents young. The only reasons why the movies are now being talked about as somewhat continuity then elseworld is because they are shaping the new origin around the movies and the outfit is being used. But to be honest to any story from AC, Superman, and AOS from 1938 to now is still part of continuity since IC has brought back Earth 1 and 2. All SV is is like Earth 12 or something like that.

 

[Superman Pwnage]

Heres my prespective on it. I can't group Smallville as 'Elseworlds' because Smallville itself has nothing to do with the comics, 'Elseworlds' is a comic-only related term. I can understand why so many refer to the show as Elseworld's though.

The main thing that Smallville did, that the other interpretations never did to the same degree, is creating a divergent, original interpretation in the origins. I think that threw people off since generally we've had the straightforward classic origins in the films and a slightly more modern one with minor changes in Superman TAS.

Because the show goes back and reinterprets the roots (as opposed to adding new elements to progress the story in the future in the Superman days), I think alot of people regard it as Elseworlds.

As far as the issue of the son, John's latest Action Comics brought this into the mythology;

I think it may have been something sanctioned by DC before it appeared on film. They seem to be trying to make the characters grow older now and pushing these family storylines on them.

Superman and Lois also had a son in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorow;" the arc that ended the story of Silverage Superman before the Crisis altered him.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[The Caped Knight]

SON OF SUPERMAN - Jon Kent

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1542

 

[SatEL]

you have never posted here before, you are not my friend. i don't know you. and i scrolled back through the posts, i see no hostile words. i see nothing but diplomacy and discussion...begs the question, are you trying to engender ill-will?

Uhhhhhh when i state friends i mean we can all try and get along trust me i dont wont you as a friend, and i never stated any hostile words had been exchanged i simply stated that i would appreciate it if things were kept pleasant. So people have a tendecy of erupting.

 

[Kaboom]

so you come to a board where things are not hostile, where things are rarely if ever hostile, where these equally non-hostile people regularly disagree over SV and its importance, and essenitally say..."please all you polite, non-hostile people, let's not get hostile!"

error.... error....... does not compute.

 

[BaK]

to all the "comic's nazis"..

no supes for you.. here..

Next!

 

[triplet]

so you come to a board where things are not hostile, where things are rarely if ever hostile, where these equally non-hostile people regularly disagree over SV and its importance, and essenitally say..."please all you polite, non-hostile people, let's not get hostile!"

error.... error....... does not compute.

Yeah, I'm confused too...

 

[Brainiac 8]

WRONG

Here is a list of various comics featuring Super Sons. I can find more if you want

* WORLD'S FINEST 215 - January 1973 - "Saga of the Super Sons" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Henry Scarpelli (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 216 - February 1973 - "Little Town With a Big Secret" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Murphy Anderson (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 221 - January-February 1974 - "Cry Not For My Forsaken Son" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Murphy Anderson (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 222 - March-April 1974 - "Evil in Paradise" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Vince Colletta (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 224 - July-August 1974 - "The Shocking Switch of the Super-Sons" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Vince Colletta (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 228 - March 1975 - "Crown for a New Batman" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Tex Blaisdell (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 230 - June 1975 - "The Girl Whom Time Forgot" by Bob Haney (writer) / Curt Swan & Tex Blaisdell (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 231 - July 1975 - "Hero is a Dirty Name" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & Tex Blaisdell (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 233 - November 1975 - "World Without Men" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & John Calnan (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 238 - June 1976 - "The Angel With a Dirty Name" by Bob Haney (writer) / Dick Dillin & John Calnan (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 242 - December 1976 - "Town of the Timeless Heroes" by Bob Haney (writer) / Ernie Chua & John Calnan (artists)
* WORLD'S FINEST 263 - June-July 1980 - "The Final Secret of the Super-Sons" by Dennis O'Neil (writer) / Rich Buckler & Dick Giordano (artists)
* ELSEWORLDS 80-PAGE GIANT - August 1999 - "Superman Jr. Is No More" by Bob Haney (writer) / Kieron Dwyer (artist)

I know, I was being evil(I'm just not particularly fond of this idea, comics, movies, or otherwise).

My point was though that changes occur, what makes one change more wrong than another change. Why is it that changes are accepted within the comics by the fans, even when it outright contradicts current continuity, yet a tv show with another vision of the same story gets all picked on and such.

The world may never know....

 

[Brainiac 8]

so you come to a board where things are not hostile, where things are rarely if ever hostile, where these equally non-hostile people regularly disagree over SV and its importance, and essenitally say..."please all you polite, non-hostile people, let's not get hostile!"

error.... error....... does not compute.

Why ask why....drink bud dry...

 

[BaK]

^ change is good..

if it weren't, we'd be still stuck with hercules..

 

[Serene]

to all the "comic's nazis"..

no supes for you.. here..

Next!

Hee!
"Supe Nazis" I get it.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I know, I was being evil(I'm just not particularly fond of this idea, comics, movies, or otherwise).

My point was though that changes occur, what makes one change more wrong than another change. Why is it that changes are accepted within the comics by the fans, even when it outright contradicts current continuity, yet a tv show with another vision of the same story gets all picked on and such.

The world may never know....

Well for me presonally before season 6

Smallville did a 180 on all the Superman releated characters

THE BIG THREE [In The superman mythology] - Lane, Kent, & Luthor

The Adopted parents - Jonathan & Martha Kent

The Biological Father - Jor-EL

Krypton & Kal-EL's Destiny

etc....

Unlike the other incarnation of Superman [smallville went beyond the basic Clark Kent life in smallville etc...

Between the

1. Krypto- freaks [from season 1 - 4]

2. His damn love life as a teenager

3. Runing away from his Destiny [deyning his true hertiage and father.]


Before this season I had a very hard time believing this boy would ever become SUPERMAN.

The writters just mess up his character so bad, As a huge fanboy of his adult counter part self, I just couldn't stand watching him. [the only reason i continued to watch was seeing Lex Luthor become more evil and Lois Lane journey from the army brat to Ace Reporter [and the love of SUPERMAN/Kal-EL/Clark kent's life.]

 

[Superman Pwnage]

Why is Metron changing Kingdom Come Superman into Superman from "Whatever happened to the man of tommorow"?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Oh gosh.

1)ll see it like this in smallville even a normal human can have kryptonian powers.

No they can't, they are infected by the kryptonite and mutated, they are not given kryptonian powers, I mean how many of the FOTW's have powers that are in any way similar to Clarks

2)Jorel is now a god who can do many miracles.

Except it's possible that he is using Technology rather than magical powers.

3)I wont even get started on how many people know clarks secret.

What do you want them to do, he's not Superman so he can't protech his identy from the FOTW or we will have a very dull hour of TV, As for Chloe she only knows becuase Sam Jones left and they wanted that dynamic back, and as far as know in some continuity Pete knows

4)Lois Lane in smallville.

Not a big fan myself

5)Perry white having strolled through smallville.

So it was one show, one good show BTW

6)Jimmy olsen in smallville

Jimmy isn't in Smallville, he visited Chloe in her apartment once but he lives in Metropolis

7) Lex Luthor in smallville(and heres where it gets hilarious his clarks best friend)

Before Byrnes Man of Steel that was continuity in the comics and has since been reestablished by Birthright, so no problem here

8)Clark never fought his destiny even as a young man he always bore that responsibilty thats what some view as the tragic part of clarks life the fact his always been superman wherether in costume or not.

He doesn't fight his real destiny here either, even when he has lost his powers he is still out saving people. The destiny he is fighting is or was simply a misunderstanding between himself and Jor-El.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

you forgot this one

I read this issue. Pretty cool... I forget how it ends though. Did they decide to have a kid or not? I remember they had a referance to Pete and Lana and their kid.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I read this issue. Pretty cool... I forget how it ends though. Did they decide to have a kid or not? I remember they had a referance to Pete and Lana and their kid.

Mxy's shows both Lois & Clark a possible future where they have a daughter named Lara Lane Kent/supergirl she half human & half kryptonian .

 

[The Caped Knight]