Smartest Characters in the Marvel Universe

[Muze]

Actually genius starts at 160, where "super genius" starts at 200. Though the labels are misleading, as they don't actually accumulate to being "smarter."

However, I wouldn't know how smart that kid is. I'd say sub super genius because it seemed to only work on one level, and that was directional, rather than expansive and constant. He kind of has to engage it. And he didn't really trip Reed up, those computers were Bruce's.

well he's only described as a teen genius by his creator.
http://www.pakbuzz.com/mastermind_excello/
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page1&issue=03163930321%2015http://www.pakbuzz.com/entries/000446.shtml

but he's also described as the "seventh smartest person on the planet."

Is Wilson Fisk a genoius? He must be smart to constantly avoid prison, or for as long as he did.

OJ avoided prison. Fisk's lawyer is the genius.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not saying he isn't a genius. I'm just saying he's not Reed level genius.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

well he's only described as a teen genius by his creator.
http://www.pakbuzz.com/mastermind_excello/
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page1&issue=03163930321%2015

but he's also described as the "seventh smartest person on the planet."

O RLY...I guess he belongs in the top spot.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh. Processing information as he does qualifies genius. But he really only seems to be low level conceptual. It turns on and off as he needs it, and kind of requires all the information to be thought of as it has been shown.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Eh. Processing information as he does qualifies genius. But he really only seems to be low level conceptual. It turns on and off as he needs it, and kind of requires all the information to be thought of as it has been shown.

Yeah but I have the issue right here and they do indeed quote him as being the "seventh smartest person on the planet".

 

[ShadowBoxing]

OJ avoided prison. Fisk's lawyer is the genius.

I put him in "smart in a particular area requiring intelligence".

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, I see it. They think he is. Of course, that's on preliminary data, not anything they could really scrutinize.

Basic strategy, ALWAYS estimate the target is high up on all stats, and prepare for that.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No, I see it. They think he is. Of course, that's on preliminary data, not anything they could really scrutinize.

Basic strategy, ALWAYS estimate the target is high up on all stats, and prepare for that.

Comics don't function like real life nor are they real life. They aren't amping up the target for better protection, they say those things so the reader will learn who this new addition is. In this case "The seventh smartest person in the MU".

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I guess you could underrate it like that. I like to think that they always leave room for something new and variable. If they wrote comics like how you say, NOBODY would ever trip up Reed Richards, because it would be realistic to the point.

Case in point, I'm probably not even ranked in the top 200 smartest people in the world IQ wise, and I could still trip up Steve Hawkings. I don't have to be extremely smart.

So, like I said, preliminary data says he is based on the action, but it wouldn't MAKE him that way.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I guess you could underrate it like that. I like to think that they always leave room for something new and variable. If they wrote comics like how you say, NOBODY would ever trip up Reed Richards, because it would be realistic to the point.

It wasn't that he tripped up Reed Richards...he's been a jerk lately anyways. But they said those exact words "he is the seventh smartest"

Case in point, I'm probably not even ranked in the top 200 smartest people in the world IQ wise, and I could still trip up Steve Hawkings. I don't have to be extremely smart.

So, like I said, preliminary data says he is based on the action, but it wouldn't MAKE him that way.

In comics though what is said is ironclad until they decide otherwise. In this case it's overtly stated this kid is "X smartest". You may not be the 200 smartest persons...but according to Marvel this kid is in the top ten...so unless anyone has proof to the contrary, he still is.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, it's not proof. Anymore than Sentry beating Galactus. They're just words, he hasn't DONE anything to earn it. I guess that's my problem.

I could say that I'm the 8th smartest person in the world, or have a group say it, and then it would be true by that thought pattern. But the fact is, I would not have earned it, and neither has he. It's not really iron clad, anymore than the Hulk is the strongest there is, or that Strange is the most powerful magic user.

Like I said, words mean nothing. Actions are everything.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Eh, it's not proof. Anymore than Sentry beating Galactus. They're just words, he hasn't DONE anything to earn it. I guess that's my problem.

Dude it's a comic . They were calling Hulk "Earth's Mightiest Mortal" since his first appearance. And X-Men "the strangest teens ever"...I seriously doubt by the first page they had done anything to earn those titles.

I could say that I'm the 8th smartest person in the world, or have a group say it, and then it would be true by that thought pattern. But the fact is, I would not have earned it, and neither has he. It's not really iron clad, anymore than the Hulk is the strongest there is, or that Strange is the most powerful magic user.

Right but those characters you mentioned are written under those pretexts.

Like I said, words mean nothing. Actions are everything.

Comic book characters CANNOT ACT OF THEIR OWN VOLITION. Therefore to them words are everything.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yes, and THIS character is under a pretext. Just labeled, not proven. Like Bluray, or a Hydrogen reactor. And it really doesn't matter if it's of their own volition or not. He hasn't proven it.

 

[torkibe]

When I first read this, I was hoping that even though it was the internet, it had to be a joke. No one could possibly expect anyone to believe something so outlandish:

Funny, when I registered, I was fifty seven points above genius, and since mine is ranked 217, I figured it was 160. Could just be standards here in Europe. *Shrugs.*

Then I read this:

Case in point, I'm probably not even ranked in the top 200 smartest people in the world IQ wise, and I could still trip up Steve Hawkings. I don't have to be extremely smart.

Well, it seems that we have one of the smartest, if not THE smartest, women in the world debating comic books with us here on the hype. To think, we have a woman whose I.Q. is a mere 11 points lower the highest I.Q. EVER RECORDED posting with us here! It's quite an honor!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, and THIS character is under a pretext. Just labeled, not proven. Like Bluray, or a Hydrogen reactor. And it really doesn't matter if it's of their own volition or not. He hasn't proven it.

Wow...really stop this "I just said my IQ was 200, so now I feel I need to prove it to everyone" posting you've been doing for a whole hour now.

He's is a cartoon/comic character. Cyclops doesn't have to "prove" to me his eyes are portals to another dimension. In comics you take these things for granted. Does Reed really strike you as "the smartest man alive" despite the fact I doubt anyone who approaches his intellect has written him?...or how about the fact that Galactus doesn't have a time machine, yet Dr Doom does. Does that make sense to you either...does Doom now have to prove to me how he made that time machine...nope.

First of all, he hacked into a SHIELD satillite...that's an action. And one that would take a great degree of skill.

Second, and really for the final time...it's a comic. For someone who has claimed to be smart you certainly have shown a poor grasp of the line between reality and fantasy. Comics and movies function on "suspension of disbelief". In the real world if a 13 year old kid came up to me and told me "I'm the seventh highest IQ in the world" I'd be skeptical and question it. If it's a comic, it doesn't matter. Because in no way shape or form can I prove that statement wrong. I cannot give him an IQ test, I cannot even have full knowledge of his achievements EVER. Therefore I must suspend this disbelief....

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, Hawkings was 280. That's several points higher than 11. And once again, that's my registered one, whether I truly operate on that level or not isn't really something one can guage. But then again, I've never been good at trivia.

And if I truly am one of what would be the top five in the world, why wouldn't I like to read comics? Must I be something else?

In short, I really don't care. Several people on this board easily rank 140 plus on this board.

Whether you think it's a joke or not is really up to you. *Shrugs.*

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Wow...really stop this "I just said my IQ was 200, so now I feel I need to prove it to everyone" posting you've been doing for a whole hour now.

He's is a cartoon/comic character. Cyclops doesn't have to "prove" to me his eyes are portals to another dimension. In comics you take these things for granted. Does Reed really strike you as "the smartest man alive" despite the fact I doubt anyone who approaches his intellect has written him?...or how about the fact that Galactus doesn't have a time machine, yet Dr Doom does. Does that make sense to you either...does Doom now have to prove to me how he made that time machine...nope.

First of all, he hacked into a SHIELD satillite...that's an action. And one that would take a great degree of skill.

Second, and really for the final time...it's a comic. For someone who has claimed to be smart you certainly have shown a poor grasp of the line between reality and fantasy. Comics and movies function on "suspension of disbelief". In the real world if a 13 year old kid came up to me and told me "I'm the seventh highest IQ in the world" I'd be skeptical and question it. If it's a comic, it doesn't matter. Because in no way shape or form can I prove that statement wrong. I cannot give him an IQ test, I cannot even have full knowledge of his achievements EVER. Therefore I must suspend this disbelief....

Actually, I couldn't BEGIN to prove it here. I'd have to really just access everything I have, and I become pretty incapable of outer world interaction, as I become full blown conceptual in thought. Works well for thinking, works bad for working.

And in truth, I post like this everyday. Not just today, not just the last hour, all the time. All. The. Time.

Though, you're not the first to say I don't grasp reality and fantasy that well, and for the most part, I agree. I run things together a lot, a whole lot. You should see some of my literary assignments, how they start out as one thing, and totally become another, to another.

However, I am forever a skeptic, and usually carry an extreme level of doubt around me, and I refuse to let it go simply because a piece of paper decided to tell me otherwise. You can trust that this kid is that smart, I on the other hand refuse to believe it until it's proven to me.

Argue about a comic character. Why not? People argue over lesser things. It's why this thread is here, after all.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Actually, Hawkings was 280. That's several points higher than 11. And once again, that's my registered one, whether I truly operate on that level or not isn't really something one can guage. But then again, I've never been good at trivia.

Actually Hawkings is slightly over 200 according to estimates

Here is a nice list (this claims Hawking at 160...though this is among his lower estimates...he has never to my knowledge given his IQ scores)
http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php
Albert Einstein is 160. The highest ever recording was 228...exactly 11 points above 217...which is what you said.

And if I truly am one of what would be the top five in the world, why wouldn't I like to read comics? Must I be something else?

You wouldn't be here...if you were truly 217 they'd start you into some massive headstart program at Mensa or something.

In short, I really don't care. Several people on this board easily rank 140 plus on this board.

The middle 75% rank inbetween 100-120. The top ten percent rank above 140. So I highly doubt this.

Whether you think it's a joke or not is really up to you. *Shrugs.*

Joke, no...I think it's an outright lie.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually Hawkings is slightly over 200 according to estimates

Here is a nice list (this claims Hawking at 160...though this is among his lower estimates...he has never to my knowledge given his IQ scores)
http://aceviper.net/estimated_iq_of_famous_people.php
Albert Einstein is 160. The highest ever recording was 228...exactly 11 points above 217...which is what you said.

You wouldn't be here...if you were truly 217 they'd start you into some massive headstart program at Mensa or something.

The middle 75% rank inbetween 100-120. The top ten percent rank above 140.

Joke, no...I think it's an outright lie.

Most interesting. Isn't it? Though, I don't lie. It's just what I'm told. *Shrugs.* Use it if you require to unbase me, I really don't care.

 

[torkibe]

Actually, Hawkings was 280. That's several points higher than 11. And once again, that's my registered one, whether I truly operate on that level or not isn't really something one can guage. But then again, I've never been good at trivia.

Really, Hawking's I.Q. is 280? And you base this fact on what? Because when Stephen Hawking himself was asked what his I.Q. was in a N.Y. Times interview he said:

" I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12QUESTIONS.html?ex=1260594000&en=2160f032bf8fde0d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt


It's ironic that you chose Stephen Hawking when even he himself doesn't know his I.Q. You would think a genius such as yourself would have gone a little bit further into her research than the first result that popped up on google.

http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-9465.html

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Most interesting. Isn't it? Though, I don't lie. It's just what I'm told. *Shrugs.* Use it if you require to unbase me, I really don't care.

I am forever a skeptic, and usually carry an extreme level of doubt around me, and I refuse to let it go simply because a piece of paper decided to tell me otherwise.

Hmmm, skeptic huh?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Really, Hawking's I.Q. is 280? And you base this fact on what? Because when Stephen Hawking himself was asked what his I.Q. was in a N.Y. Times interview he said:



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12QUESTIONS.html?ex=1260594000&en=2160f032bf8fde0d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt


It's ironic that you chose Stephen Hawking when even he himself doesn't know his I.Q. You would think a genius such as yourself would have gone a little bit further into her research than the first result that popped up on google.

http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-9465.html

Honestly, if google was the way I wanted to go, I would've known his IQ, now would'nt have I? The answer is much more simple. I didn't know his IQ. lol

You're giving me ten more actions than I would take.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hmmm, skeptic huh?

Well, if you want to get into technicalities, I don't hold skepticism towards absolutely everything and everybody I'll ever come into contact with.

I'm a human, after all.

But if nitty gritty technicality facts is what you want...

Though, since we're going off of technicalities, you should've highlighted, or at least deleted where I said usually.

 

[torkibe]

This gem made me laugh as well:

Eh, it's not proof. Anymore than Sentry beating Galactus. They're just words, he hasn't DONE anything to earn it. I guess that's my problem.

When I said this a while back.

I KNEW you were gonna bring up the Galactus thing, which is why I said SHOW ME and not speculation. I have all the Marvel KNights, Sentry mini 1-8 and all the New Avengers and it didn't happen in any of them. Until I see it and it's proven, I don't consider that a feat. I've searched many times and have asked many people to show me, but no one can. Can you? I'd love to see it, because I love the Sentry.

You said this:

Too bad I didn't see this earlier. I like how people just toss away the Sentry/Galactus thing like nothing. Spiderman said it. And we all know Spiderman's this huge liar. "Hey guys, did you know I'm a millionaire?"

So that's how we know it didn't happen. Spiderman said it, the king of super exaggerations.

Come on. I really hate it. People just say that Sentry can't beat Galactus because then he WOULD be the most powerful hero in any universe you put him in, and that just ticks off a ton of people. I know it does kind of irk me. THAT'S why Robert Reynolds is unstable. Because his powers fluctuate. They've even SAID this before. His powers fluctuate, and the Void is also part of his powers. Basically, whatever Void can do, Robert can do, and whatever Sentry can do, Robert can do. They're the SAME person. They just don't do it together. And that's the thing behind the Sentry. He would be like a little plot device, where there's an impossible situation, he could come up with an impossible solution. Sentry and Void on their own can destroy planets, and eliminate entire races. Hell the Void eats souls, is intangible, passes through objects, and can entrap people in his little bubbles. Theoretically, these are things Sentry can do. And in moments of clarity (usually brought on by extreme need. See the current arc in New Avengers where Rob was basically a comatose baby, turned Sentry in no time flat due to severe need of the Sentry.) Sentry's powers improve greatly.

So which is it? I imagine someone of your intellect would remember her own opinion on something and stand by it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Though, since we're going off of technicalities, you should've highlighted, or at least deleted where I said usually.

Actually it wasn't a "technicality" I could have highlighted any of the last page where you kept insisting comic characters had to prove themselves as the "seventh smartest marvels". Then of course when I call you on being what sounds like the second or third highest IQs on out planet...you don't feel the urge to prove anything...and in fact say "It's just what I'm told". Proving you have a pretty severe contradiction in logic.

If I wanted to catch you on a technicality...it would have been pointed out how off base you were when gauging IQ scores. But I already did that.

However I think the greatest irony of this is the whole time you wanted proof of a fictional characters IQ, while caring less about your own.