Snyder Throws a Sucker Punch

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^lol unfortunately, that is true alot of the times. It's unfair and completely true.

How dare a movie look colorful and interesting!

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think you're applying what Singer successfully intended to do in X-Men to Watchmen, and blaming Snyder for not doing what he hasn't done and never intended to do.

I mean, Watchmen is a mystery and X-Men isn't. For Watchmen, not having much of a connection to The Comedian doesn't matter because you are supposed to learn about him later. And through that, you connect with the character, as well as learn about the characters the mystery effects. It's supposed to make you wonder why The Comedian deserved being beaten up and killed. X-Men's opening scene was meant to garner sympathy.

It's simply not fair to criticise Snyder in this situation.

Bullcrap. A mystery is a genre. It has nothing to do with creating an atmosphere or impression about a character. Singer implied a history between two characters before he explained that he helped Charles build Cerebro. Heck, we still know very little about what that history is until FC comes out. Why Xavier is still hopeful about his friend is all in what Singer implies and never tells us.

I doubt any of us expected Mags and Xavier to have had a team of X-men together.


I"m sorry I brought up Watchmen. I forgot it's one of those third rail movies around here.

 

[Project862006]

exactly a movie has to be grounded in reality for some reason

i get tired of this grounded in reality BS let a movie just be fantasy for god sakes

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Its all Nolan's fault. Even though nobody mentioned him.

How dare a movie look colorful and interesting!

There's naturally colourful (Tree of Life) and then there is digital overload. Some people don't like Digital Overload.

But of course its one extreme or the other. If one doesn't like digital overload he/she clearly only likes scratchy black and white films.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Personally I prefer Snyder's dreamworld over Nolan's.

but to some it's just a collection of soulless videogame cut scenes.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm fine with what Nolan does with his movies, they are good films but not every film can work with his style. And I don't want every movie to look or feel the same. It's okay for a fantasty movie to be outrageous and bright and colorful, provided I care about the characters and the story is somewhat interesting.

The look of Snyder's films are not the problem to me, I only have a problem with some of the performances in his films and the overuse of slo-mo. Is he the smartest director around? No but he can make a good movie, he proved it with Dawn of the Dead and Watchmen IMHO.

What was wrong with the way Dawn of the Dead looked anyhow?

Its all Nolan's fault. Even though nobody mentioned him.

There's naturally colourful (Tree of Life) and then there is digital overload. Some people don't like Digital Overload.

But of course its one extreme or the other. If one doesn't like digital overload he/she clearly only likes scratchy black and white films.

Eh, everytime one of these fantasy films has an ounce of colorfulness to them I see constant b**ching about how it doesn't look dark and real. It's not just Snyder's digital looking films either. I have no problem with somebody not liking the GL trailer (it does have problems but I dug it) but I saw an awful lot of "it doesn't look serious and real and it looks ridiculous."

So every colorful movie should look like Tree of Life?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Kinda excited for this movie. Wasn't a fan of Watchmen; but I have faith in Snyder, and for Supes.


Mainly cause Ms. Browning is the reason I am interested though.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I have no problem with somebody not liking the GL trailer (it does have problems but I dug it) but I saw an awful lot of "it doesn't look serious and real and it looks ridiculous."

They seem to be talking about the tone not the visuals.

So every colorful movie should look like Tree of Life?

Tree of Life was an example, not the only example.

 

[Lone]

Its all Nolan's fault. Even though nobody mentioned him.

It's "The Nolan Effect". Nowadays, when somebody screams for "realism" in a fantasy movie, 70% of the time what they really mean is "make it like a Nolan movie".

I don't hate Nolan. I hate his worshippers.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's "The Nolan Effect". Nowadays, when somebody screams for "realism" in a fantasy movie, 70% of the time what they really mean is "make it like a Nolan movie".

I don't hate Nolan. I hate his worshippers.

Nolan made the best movie of the year IMHO and I overall love his films and wish him the best of luck in his career but I also hate alot of his fans. A poster like Anita is cool because she gives great insight into Nolan's films and eventhough she's obsessed with him she never comes off as a annoying overbaring loonie.

It's a shame and I wish it weren't true but most of the time it does come off as wishing for another Nolan type film. I remember back in 2006 when I complained about Superman Returns looking overly serious with it's muted colors and all, most did not agree with me. Ahh, the Nolan effect was even happening after Batman Begins.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's "The Nolan Effect". Nowadays, when somebody screams for "realism" in a fantasy movie, 70% of the time what they really mean is "make it like a Nolan movie".

I don't hate Nolan. I hate his worshippers.

That's fine and dandy but nobody mentioned realism.

 

[Lone]

That's fine and dandy but nobody mentioned realism.

Really? I guess I mistook the *****ing about movies looking too stylized and too fantastical to mean that a more grounded, "real" looking film would be preferred.

Guess my Nolan comment rubbed you the wrong way, eh.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Really? I guess I mistook the *****ing about movies looking too stylized and too fantastical to mean that a more grounded, "real" looking film would be preferred.

Just because a movie is fantasy doesn't mean you have to go crazy with CGI and slow-mo.

This train of though has nothing to do with Nolan. You give him too much credit. The dude started directing in frickin' 1998. He didn't invent dark and gritty.

Guess my Nolan comment rubbed you the wrong way, eh.

You wish.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

How about Nolan is totally excised from the convo and I just say; I don't think that every film should look semi-realistic and have muted colors?

Who knows maybe I'll watch the film and agree that Synders digital colorful world style is being overplayed and I'll hate the movie but that still doesn't change the fact that I don't want every movie to have muted color's and a semi-realistic feel.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Why is everything in absolutes with you? Just because one doesn't like overstylized doesn't mean he/she only loves gritty looking films. There's something called middleground. I don't even have a problem with stylish aesthetics. I just don't like digital and excessive slow-mo. But somehow this not liking digital thing leaps to Nolan worship. A huge olympic leap.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why does there have to be a middleground when it comes to colors in films? Why can't a film be over the top bright and colorful and still look good/be a good film? Can a movie ever look too gritty and real, no matter the subject matter?

And I've excised Nolan from this Convo so don't bring him up when talking to me about this. I'm talking in general now because bringing him up only causes arguements.

 

[JAK®]

Bullcrap. A mystery is a genre. It has nothing to do with creating an atmosphere or impression about a character.

Well, you're wrong about that.

Singer implied a history between two characters before he explained that he helped Charles build Cerebro. Heck, we still know very little about what that history is until FC comes out. Why Xavier is still hopeful about his friend is all in what Singer implies and never tells us.

It's completely irrelevant what Singer did, because Snyder decided to do something else.

I doubt any of us expected Mags and Xavier to have had a team of X-men together.

Or that the unknown assassin and The Comedian were almost in a team together. But hey, that's all part of the mystery.

I"m sorry I brought up Watchmen. I forgot it's one of those third rail movies around here.

Oh shut up, don't try to dismiss my point because you can't back up your own.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Well, you're wrong about that. It's completely irrelevant what Singer did, because Snyder decided to do something else.

Or that the unknown assassin and The Comedian were almost in a team together. But hey, that's all part of the mystery.

again, implying the nature of a character wouldn't be bad for a mystery. It's what music and lighting,etc are supposed to do. Give you an inkling that something more is going on. AKA Foreshadowing.

Maybe the point got lost somewhere in the "oh, noes someone dislikes Watchmen" argument but my point was that it's Snyder. Not a Singer versus Synder in this movie and that. It's in all of Snyder's films. 300, Dawn, ( haven't seen that owl). Dude is a strong visual guy and it overwhelms his ability to tell information without strong visuals.

It's like what I read about comic artist. Marvel/DC don't care how many splash pages of action you can do cause most issues are just people walking down streets and talking. If you can't make Peter Parker getting coffee interesting then you aren't a strong comic artist.

I do think Snyder is getting better. Watchmen was better, but that was an adapted work. Sucker Punch will be everything he's learned up til now.

Oh shut up, don't try to dismiss my point because you can't back up your own.

Calm your little behind down. Proving my point how over protective people get about films. I've done it about Supes Returns.

Get over yourself.

 

[Dark Knight]

Can't wait to see this original Snyder film Sucker Punch.

The imagery, fight and action scenes will be bad ass of course, and lets hope the story is a compelling one.

 

[Dark Knight]

Kinda excited for this movie. Wasn't a fan of Watchmen; but I have faith in Snyder, and for Supes.


Mainly cause Ms. Browning is the reason I am interested though.

Watchmen was bad ass AND it was a criticaly acclaimed film. It received 3 stars from most critics and some fanboys didn't like it?

Go figure......

And yes, Ms Browning looks like hottie in this film.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Nolan fans,SHOOSH!!!! This thread is about a 'Snyder' movie.

 

[JAK®]

again, implying the nature of a character wouldn't be bad for a mystery. It's what music and lighting,etc are supposed to do. Give you an inkling that something more is going on. AKA Foreshadowing.

That inkling would be the smiley-face badge and The Comedian's line "Just a matter of time I suppose". Oh, and the fact that someone just barged in and killed someone. That would make you think "Hmm, what did that guy do to deserve this?"

Maybe the point got lost somewhere in the "oh, noes someone dislikes Watchmen" argument

No, it's just that your point isn't as strong as you think it is. Snyder, and many others, get a lot of unwarranted criticism because their films dare to look good. It's annoying to see directors get blamed for things they haven't done.

but my point was that it's Snyder. Not a Singer versus Synder in this movie and that. It's in all of Snyder's films. 300, Dawn, ( haven't seen that owl). Dude is a strong visual guy and it overwhelms his ability to tell information without strong visuals.

I don't think that's true, I think some people are just to snobbish about things that look good to see that information.

It's like what I read about comic artist. Marvel/DC don't care how many splash pages of action you can do cause most issues are just people walking down streets and talking. If you can't make Peter Parker getting coffee interesting then you aren't a strong comic artist.

This is true, but I don't see how that applies to Snyder.

I do think Snyder is getting better. Watchmen was better, but that was an adapted work.

Man, if having a film being an adaption means it doesn't count then a lot of acclaimed directors don't deserve the praise they are getting. Spielberg, Coppola, Jackson... they don't get any flack for having their best films be adaptions.

Calm your little behind down. Proving my point how over protective people get about films. I've done it about Supes Returns.

Get over yourself.

Get over myself? You're the one who brought in phrases like "bullcrap" and tried to write off my argument by saying that I am being overprotective. I don't agree with your assessment. You seem to think the only reason that could be is if I was being biased in some way. Newsflash; I don't even plan on seeing Sucker Punch. I'm not some Snyder fanboy. But I don't agree with the frankly incorrect accusations he is getting.

 

[roach]

Nolan fans,SHOOSH!!!! This thread is about a 'Snyder' movie.

Superherohype Rule number 38: Every thread will include a reference to Nolan and TDK

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Realism is fine where it's needed, but it's not needed in every movie.

Nolan's approach would not work for something like Dragon Ball Z, but I could definitely see him doing Metal Gear Solid. Snyder on the other hand would be perfect for DBZ.

Some people act like it has to be one or the other... isn't that the point of different directors? Then we get the extremes, even with 'dream worlds' we get Inception and then Sucker Punch.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Rule 38 should be banned.