Snyder Throws a Sucker Punch

[TheComicbookKid]

That inkling would be the smiley-face badge and The Comedian's line "Just a matter of time I suppose". Oh, and the fact that someone just barged in and killed someone. That would make you think "Hmm, what did that guy do to deserve this?"

You seem to be confusing giving hints to the larger mystery with providing atmosphere to the character. The badge and line give rise to the larger mystery. I'm talking about creating an atmosphere to hint at the larger character. That's why I used the Xavier/Mags example. Cause it didn't need to tell exactly what the dynamic was in the opening scene just that there was one based on how Singer framed the shot. They didn't need to blurt out the entire backstory with a strong visual shot like the badge.

I'm not saying Snyder sucks cause he does that, I'm saying he relies a lot on the visual cues and his conversational scenes are always boring cause of it, imo.

No, it's just that your point isn't as strong as you think it is. Snyder, and many others, get a lot of unwarranted criticism because their films dare to look good. It's annoying to see directors get blamed for things they haven't done. I don't think that's true, I think some people are just to snobbish about things that look good to see that information.

This is true, but I don't see how that applies to Snyder.

Man, if having a film being an adaption means it doesn't count then a lot of acclaimed directors don't deserve the praise they are getting. Spielberg, Coppola, Jackson... they don't get any flack for having their best films be adaptions. ?"

What? Where did I say his films look good is a bad thing. I"m simply talking about the ways directors get info across. The fact that Snyder uses visuals to hammer his points home is why he gets the rep as style over substance. I didn't say it didn't count cause it was an adaptation. I said some of the work is done for him cause the book has been discussed and deconstructed. I only brought that up in relation to Sucker Punch that's his writing. He's going to be responsible for the allusion, symbolism, and characterizations from ground zero. There's no guide map.

Get over myself? You're the one who brought in phrases like "bullcrap" and tried to write off my argument by saying that I am being overprotective. I don't agree with your assessment. You seem to think the only reason that could be is if I was being biased in some way. Newsflash; I don't even plan on seeing Sucker Punch. I'm not some Snyder fanboy. But I don't agree with the frankly incorrect accusations he is getting.

Well, I apologize for using "Bullcrap" cause down here is just means "oh come on."

Did I say you were biased? I said you were fighting my opinion like it's fact. I wasn't saying how he should have done something or that Singer is better. I'm just stating I like how Singer gets subtle info across. We've all been on the Hype long enough to know how arguments bleed into one another and we start swinging wildly at an accusation. How can my opinion of Snyder's skills be an "incorrect accusation?" It's an opinion. Unless I"m mistaken, I never said anything about the quality of Watchmen or any other of Snyder's movie. Why are you in the Sucker Punch thread? Did I accuse you of being a Snyder fanboy?

IF I say I don't like the way Hitch draws faces, I'm not condemning him as an artist. I just don't like it.


All directors have weakness and have techniques/tropes they lean heavily on.

 

[Lone]

Just because a movie is fantasy doesn't mean you have to go crazy with CGI and slow-mo.

This train of though has nothing to do with Nolan. You give him too much credit. The dude started directing in frickin' 1998. He didn't invent dark and gritty.

You're missing the point I was trying to make. You actually think I'm putting down your God Nolan and his visual signature when I made my initial post.

You wish.

If that was my intent, then I'd say my wish was granted.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You paranoid Nolan haters assume everyone who says anything bad about your favorite filmmaker is a Nolan fanboy. I am far from a Nolan fanboy as my posts from the Inception thread would prove.

 

[Lone]

You paranoid Nolan haters assume everyone who says anything bad about your favorite filmmaker is a Nolan fanboy. I am far from a Nolan fanboy as my posts from the Inception thread would prove.

And I am far from a Nolan hater. You'd know that if you'd bothered to comprehend my post. Your eagerness to jump to Nolan's defense at the slight mention of his name in what you assume to be a negative light is amusing for someone who claims not to be a Nolan fanboy.

I'd offer you a chance to continue this via PMs but I'm afraid the internet isn't serious business for me.

Sorry for the slight derail, folks.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I can see why Nolan is mentioned a lot.

Nolan was a director who lived up to high expectations not only once with The Dark Knight, but twice with Inception. He's a director who has shown that puts extreme thought into every scene and every frame of film without relying much on CGI or special effects. He's loved by the WB not only because of the Dark Knight, but also because he made Inception under budget. Nolan is very respectable director.

It is natural that everyone wants compare everyone to Nolan. He made one of the highest grossing films of all time and continues to be successful. Not mentioned being held in high regard by Batman fans. Is there any other fanbase of fans that has more respect for the director of their respective series? Maybe Favreau for the first two Iron Man films, but Iron Man wasn't as big or popular a character than Batman. When you live up to high expectations people are going to compare your directing skills to Nolan, especially Snyder since he's directing Superman with Nolan producing.

Nolan, whether liked or not, is one of the best directors in Hollywood, so I'm used to people bringing his name or TDK up in threads.

 

[XxDelta09xX]

Realism is fine where it's needed, but it's not needed in every movie.

Nolan's approach would not work for something like Dragon Ball Z, but I could definitely see him doing Metal Gear Solid. Snyder on the other hand would be perfect for DBZ.

Some people act like it has to be one or the other... isn't that the point of different directors? Then we get the extremes, even with 'dream worlds' we get Inception and then Sucker Punch.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And I am far from a Nolan hater. You'd know that if you'd bothered to comprehend my post. Your eagerness to jump to Nolan's defense at the slight mention of his name in what you assume to be a negative light is amusing for someone who claims not to be a Nolan fanboy.

I'd offer you a chance to continue this via PMs but I'm afraid the internet isn't serious business for me.

Sorry for the slight derail, folks.

I only assumed you are a Nolan hater (only to prove a point) after you assumed Nolan is "my God" simply because I said I don't like Snyder's aesthetic.

And Nolan defense comes naturally when you spend your time on the Spidey boards to see all the Nolan bickering.

 

[JAK®]

You paranoid Nolan haters

I am far from a Nolan fanboy

 

[S.A.A.D.]

^t:

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

I can see why Nolan is mentioned a lot.

Nolan was a director who lived up to high expectations not only once with The Dark Knight, but twice with Inception. He's a director who has shown that puts extreme thought into every scene and every frame of film without relying much on CGI or special effects. He's loved by the WB not only because of the Dark Knight, but also because he made Inception under budget. Nolan is very respectable director.

It is natural that everyone wants compare everyone to Nolan. He made one of the highest grossing films of all time and continues to be successful. Not mentioned being held in high regard by Batman fans. Is there any other fanbase of fans that has more respect for the director of their respective series? Maybe Favreau for the first two Iron Man films, but Iron Man wasn't as big or popular a character than Batman. When you live up to high expectations people are going to compare your directing skills to Nolan, especially Snyder since he's directing Superman with Nolan producing.

Nolan, whether liked or not, is one of the best directors in Hollywood, so I'm used to people bringing his name or TDK up in threads.

Raimi is the only guy I can think of who was held up in Nolan-like regard. Well, up until summer 07...

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Raimi is the only guy I can think of who was held up in Nolan-like regard. Well, up until summer 07...

There was a lot of hidden hatred for Raimi by fanboys until summer 07. t:

 

[Doctor Jones]

Then they had the stones to come out and post what they could never say. Cowards.

 

[roach]

it will be funny to see when Nolan's popularity with the fanbois falls

 

[JAK®]

it will be funny to see when Nolan's popularity with the fanbois falls

If the 3rd movie curse is true then it will happen in a couple of years.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

There was a lot of hidden hatred for Raimi by fanboys until summer 07. t:

And I can promise the same will happen Nolan if TDKR sucks. All the haters will come out of the woodworks. Seriously, God help Nolan if he messes up.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

And I can promise the same will happen Nolan if TDKR sucks. All the haters will come out of the woodworks. Seriously, God help Nolan if he messes up.

He won't mess up, trust me. This isn't like X3 where Tom Rothman got greedy and deliberately had it made without Bryan Synder. Besides, when has Nolan EVER royaly screwed up badly? Not once, as far as I know. And, no, Insomnia doesn't count.

 

[JAK®]

Nobody thought Raimi was going to mess up either.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The fact almost no one expects him to be able to top TDK is in his favor. He just needs to do better than BB probably.

 

[JAK®]

The fact almost no one expects him to be able to top TDK is in his favor. He just needs to do better than BB probably.

You'd think this was the case, but watch when the movie comes out and all the people come out of the woodwork to bash it if it isn't as good. It's the way things work. You think a consensus has been reached, but then they appear.

 

[redhawk23]

I love Raimi's earlier films but IMHO his overall body of work is simply not the quality of Nolans, even if TDKR doesnt live up to expecations, (and I seriously doubt it being as much of a percieved misstep as Spiderman 3 was), I really don't think there will be as much of a backlash of Nolan in general. Theres enough people that love his entire filmography even if they were hooked in by his Batfilms. I never got the sense from Spiderman fans that they were in love with Evil Dead, whereas I've seen a lot of batfans that swear by memento, the prestige and inception.


Anyways, I dig Snyder's films. I used to really dislike Dawn of the Dead but even that has grown on me over the years. I'm looking forward to Suckerpunch immensely.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

They'll be a backlash if TDKR ends up not doing well critically. You have some people who dislike Nolan's Batman films but a many more will come out of the shadows if TDKR ends up being a bust.

 

[hammerhedd11]

He won't mess up, trust me. This isn't like X3 where Tom Rothman got greedy and deliberately had it made without Bryan Synder. Besides, when has Nolan EVER royaly screwed up badly? Not once, as far as I know. And, no, Insomnia doesn't count.

Wow, people consider Insomnia a screw up? Most directors would love to screw up that "badly".

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Insomina was not a great movie. It wasn't terrible or anything but it was far from great.

 

[roach]

If TDKR doesnt do near TDK then Nolan's stock with the fanbois will go down....I've seen it happen

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Insomina was not a great movie. It wasn't terrible or anything but it was far from great.

I agree. Insomnia was the only Nolan film I didn't really like.