The Dark Knight So Has Anyone Here Read The Dark Knight Novel? (Huge Spoilers here)

[Toxin72]

There is a guy at the IMDB boards that has the novel and he's been telling us things that happen. He typed out the dialog of one particularly awesome scene that involves the joker having a conversation while in a nurses out fit.

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Joker: Hay it's me, your old pal the Joker. Surprised? I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, Harvey. When you and Rachel were being abducted, I was sitting in Gordon's cage. I didn't rig those charges.

Harvey Dent: Your men. Your plan.

Joker: Do I really look like a man with a plan, Harvey? I don't have a plan. The mob has plans, the cops have plans. You know what I am, Harvey? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it. I just do things. I 'm a wrench in the gears. I hate plans. Yours, theirs, everyone's. Maroni has plans. Gordon has plans. Schemers trying to control their worlds. I am not a schemer. I show schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are. So when I say that what happened to you and your girlfriend was nothing personal, you know I'm telling the truth.

Joker gives Harvey his gun. Harvey aims the gun at him.

Joker: It's the schemer who put you where you are. You were a schemer. You had plans. Look where it got you. I just did what I did best--I took your plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I've done to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets. Nobody panics when the expected people get killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan., even if the plan is horrifying. If i tell the press that tomorrow a gang banger will get shot, or a truck load of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics. Because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, everybody loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. And you know the thing about chaos, Harvey? It's fair.

Dent holds his lucky coin. Shows the good side to Joker.

Harvey Dent: You live.

Shows the burnt side.

Two-Face: You die.

Joker: Now you're talking!

Two-Face flips the coin and looks.

End.

If you want anymore info and he's updated the topic I will post it.

 

[RobinWB]

please put more , more!lol

 

[DAMU RYDER]

i thought the joker was random, but the dialogue proves that he does have a motive in the film.

 

[RobinWB]

not really, hes saying hes an agent of chaos! thats not a plan, thats chaos!

 

[Toxin72]

All right everything that I do post will be put in spoiler tags just in case. Also hes not given a full summary or anything so alot of this stuff I post will be out of order.

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Joker gets captured in one final struggle in his hideout. Batman uses is sonic monitoring system to find him, he set up the hostages to look like Joker goons and the goons to look like the hostages to fool the police in shooting them. Batman has to defend the hostages by fighting off the GCPD and captures the Joker (and some dogs) using his shooting blades. Really exciting stuff.

Dent's confrontation happens shortly after where he tortures Gordon's family in front of him so that he knows how it feels to lose someone you love. Batman tries to reach Dent but he is full Two Face now and when confronting him accidentally kills him. Batman talks to Gordon and to keep hope alive in the city, takes the blame for Harvey Dents crimes. Cue end of the movie.

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Two-Face is how Venom should be! While Two-Face does come in the third arch, Harvey Dent is like the main character in the movie. You fully understand his motives, his family and you really grow to love the man. So when the change happens, you really feel the effects and Two-Face is one creepy bastard even when compared to the Joker.

The thing with Eddy Brock was that he was like a cameo, in like two scenes in the movie and then became Venom so you are all WTF who is this guy?

Not the case here. Masterfully done. ;D

Spoiler

Oh god this is sick. Yes she (rachel) does die. She is the reason why Harvey is goes ape *beep* into Two-Face.

The Mob with the Jokers help, using corrupted police officers under Gordon's unit captures Harvey and Rachel after the Joker is arrested. The interrogation thing is to get the Joker to reveal where they are by the mob. Joker after a huge talk and beating gives two locations, Gordon goes after Harvey while Batman goes after Rachel.

Dent and Rachel are tied up with drums of gasoline ever where and wired to bombs. They have a two way radio and a web chat-thingy so they can see and speak to each other. Dent when trying to escape accidentally knocks one of the gas barrels over and lands in it sideways soaking up his left side.

A big chase happens and when Batman shows up to save Rachel he finds Harvey. Turns out Joker gave the opposite locations. When Gorden gets to "Harvey's" building it explodes and Harvey hears her last words and death screams/gargles as she is blown to bits. He catches on fire and gets scared. The death shakes everyone, with Alfred uncovers a note to Bruce saying that she was going to marry Harvey and they would be best friend forever. Joker escapes by using his last phone call to detonate a bomb in his good, Gordon realizing the Mob and Joker planed this whole thing.

Harvey before this also gave his father's double headed coin to Rachel earlier, which is now scared on one side due to the explosion. Bruce finds it and Gordon give it to him as a memento to "what was left" of Rachel. The coin thing through the book is done very well.

Spoiler

in the novel there is a scene that follows a druggie who is overdosed by the Scarecrow because he wants to work on a new improved batch. I dunno if it is in that movie but it really shows you the insight into the back story of the character.

The Scarecrow is still important, his main scene is when he discusses a deal with the Chechen(SP?) who complains that the drugs he is dealing cause junkies to harm them selfs. You really see how the old crime people are short sighted and have no idea how to react to the "freaks" coming in like Scarecrow. He ultimately gets captured in the end, and this is also the scene where the Fake Batmen first appear and Batman fights with two very big 'rots which are the Chechen's dogs. (Guess what happens to him in the end. You have seen the clip.)

Spoiler

Why does Batman miss the Joker during the street showdown?

Wheni s the Tumbler destroyed then becomes the Batpod?

How does the party crashing scene play out?

1) His One Rule.

2) Yes, its one of the coolest sequences too. Think of when in Batman Returns the Batmobile is turned into the "Bat Bullet" but a billion times cooler.

3) Joker off hand kills a bunch of targets that are noted ahead of time because of a Joker Card with the DNA of his targets. He personally goes after Harvey Dent himself at Bruce's Harvey Dent Fund Raiser Party. Bruce hides Dent by K.O.-ing him and tells Rachel to hide while he goes to his Panic Room to change into Batman. She disobeys him and tries to confront the Joker which is a scary scene. Batman does come in and tries to get at Joker and his men, Joker is so insane and driven that he does not feel pain. Joker ends up using Rachel as bait and throws her off the roof, Batman catches her with some injuries on himself as the Joker drives away in an unmarked black van since he cannot find Harvey Dent. Lobe and the new Judge die at the end of all this.

Spoiler

The Joker does go after the mob per say, in short, nobody can really trust him.

He seems like a semi-hired hand at least in the past. When Maroni tries to send an investigation on him the PI is murdered. Gambol hates his guts and orders a bounty, thus the "body bag" (actually garbage bag) scene happens and Gambol gets a Glasgow Grin. Later on he burns half the mobs money and gives the rest away, the Chechen sees this and causes the "they will not follow a freak" scene and the Joker does to him exactly what he says they do.

Thats all for now. He might post more but I'm about to get off here so If he posts more I bring it over tomorrow.

 

[DAMU RYDER]

well i meant he had something to prove. read line

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Look what I've done to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets. Nobody panics when the expected people get killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan., even if the plan is horrifying. If i tell the press that tomorrow a gang banger will get shot, or a truck load of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics. Because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, everybody loses their minds!

 

[kongoman]

Okay, it has now officially become time for me to stop reading spoilers. Good find though.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I only read a little bit of this and it sounds awesome.

 

[Toxin72]

Okay, it has now officially become time for me to stop reading spoilers. Good find though.

Yeah this is definitely the time to leave if you don't want spoilers. I was hesitant at first but most of the time spoilers make me that much more excited and thats what these spoilers have done for me.

 

[Toxin72]

Alright heres one more

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So would you say that justice is done to the harvey dent/Two Face character? Also how exactly is the pencil trick described in the book?

1) Yes yes and hell yes. I understand why this movie so so long, Harvey basically gets almost as much page time as Bruce/Batman does, and if was confined to just being a 1hr 30min movie it would be called "The Rise and Fall of Harvey Dent" instead of "The Dark Knight".

2) Here is what happens in general. When the Joker shows up all to the mob meeting all the men are hostile and when one threatens him he takes a pencil and stands it on the eraser end. He proclaims he will do a trick (he is like a demented ring leader most of the time) and when the guy lunges at him he forces the guy's head onto the pencil so it stabs him through the corner of his eye and into his brain. After the goon slumps over dead the Joker is all like "See, magic!" like it is some child's birthday party trick and everyone else is horrified.

 

[MrZombay]

How much time does Joker get?

 

[EyeRockThere4Ey]

"Joker: So when I say that what happened to you and your girlfriend was nothing personal, you know I'm telling the truth."

that part really reminds me of the final scenes/dialogue of "The Crow".. regardless both plots are awesome/sad lol

- EyeRockThere4EyeAm

 

[redfirebird2008]

Toxin, big kudos to you for using the spoiler tags for each individual little bit of info instead of putting it all under the same spoiler tag. It's much appreciated. Makes it easy to see early on when reading them whether to click away or to keep reading (if it's something we already know quite a bit about for instance). Thanks again for being considerate.

 

[Ferd]

Awesome. THank you so much for sharing!!!!

 

[Spider-Bat]

Wow, I've loved reading this stuff. I tried to stay spoiler free but man it has been a long wait for this movie, and I love Batman and I cannot wait any longer, I have to know things now!!!

I wish it could have come out in June like all the other Batman movies in the past just so I wouldn't have to wait this long. Anyway, this has been cool, to finally get some info. Only a few more days, I got my tickets for the 12:03 am show.

 

[Beanjuice]

ok i am leaving this thread before i spoil myself teol

 

[CoffyMaker]

how does the Joker's ending play out?

 

[ronny]

Wait, so he really does cut the guy into little pieces and feed him to the dogs? It wasn't an idle threat? Jesus.

 

[SuperBatman]

Okay, it has now officially become time for me to stop reading spoilers. Good find though.

LOL I stopped doing that a while ago.

 

[Toxin72]

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please tell me what maroni's part is like and what happens to him - - thank you so much - he seemed cool on gotham tonight

His role, while he is villainous, is to show how much control the old dogs of crime are losing. Its kind of like in Pirates with the whole "the world has moved on and now they have to adapt or die."

He is very playboyish, old monster Goodfella's type but he cracks under pressure and is not as good a the Roman was. He is in all the major deals, is in court, and Batman tortures the crap out of him(This fall will not kill me, I am counting on it-thingy). He uses the corrupt cops and his men to set up Harvey and Rachel, and after being on crutches after his Batman beating earlier encounters Two-Face in his limo.

After a short but important dialog Two-Face's coin spares him but not his driver, who gets shot and the limo is totaled. His fate is left ambiguous.

Spoiler

1) Two-Face's motive is to take revenge on the people he trusted that did the wrongs to him AKA captured him. Turns out the Major Crimes unit is more corrupt than thought.

2) Two-Face is not at all lame, in fact, he is down right terrifying in his own unique way from the Joker. While having the same motive and goal, he shifts between to personalities constantly without pausing. One is Harvey who is completely lost and is looking for any excuse to get control of his life again and Two-Face who is the dominate personality and is a man who is vengeful, lost all hope and all the ends justify the means. The Two-Face personality is scary as hell, he is like a Vietnam vet who has snapped.

I guess if you could structure the Joker to Two-Face ratio it would go like this: Joker is Hannibal Lecter and Harvey Two-Face is Buckaroo Bill/Tooth Fairy.

Thats the last of the stuff he's posted.

 

[SpiderWill]

That Silence of the Lambs reference is interesting and possibly misleading. I believe Lecter has only a few minutes of screen time compared to Buffalo Bill.

 

[MysterioMenace]

Could someone ask him how funny the Joker is? If he’s got some humorous one-liners, how often he laughs, any more gimmicky stuff like the pencil trick, that sort of thing. Maybe post a few of Jokers more humorous lines.

 

[Toxin72]

That Silence of the Lambs reference is interesting and possibly misleading. I believe Lecter has only a few minutes of screen time compared to Buffalo Bill.

Neither have much screen time in that movie. Its probably about even though I think lecter might have a bit more screen time.

 

[Toxin72]

Spoiler

Is the joker ever funny or is it just stuff that he laughs at while others watch in terror?

Its a very well done balance of terror and funny. I think one reviewer of the film said it best, your kicking yourself at laughing because it is so wrong, evil and perverse but you still laugh because it tickles your funny bone too much.

Most of the humor are not jokes per say (although he says a few like the "And I thought I was the one who made the bad jokes") but the humor is dark and also absurd. Basically if you laughed when Joker electrocutes the man to death in Batman '89, that is kind of what goes on.

Also the same guy has a message for SHH

P.S. A message to SHH. Remember Sidepocket, Tekcopedis and Last-Life? Guess who this is? See why you should never ban people from your boards who are doing nothing wrong? *rolls eyes*

 

[bkey]

Freaking awesome. Thanks man