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The Dark Knight So Has Anyone Here Read The Dark Knight Novel? (Huge Spoilers here)

In BB, the novel add in alot of stuff that is different from Nolan's tone in the film.

Like the saying that Ra's Al Gul is immortal with his pit, and in gotham knight novel, the author add in the peguin even when Nolan say he don't want to use the Peguin.


Does TDK novel fit the tone of the film?

1. Dennis O'Neil had to pad out the story to fill a whole novel.
2. The novel is based on earlier drafts of the script.
3. Dennis O'Neal is one of the great Batman comic writers and probably couldn't resist adding little nods to the comics.
4. Novelisations are (generally) throw-away cash-in garbage. Having said that, the Batman Forever novelisation is amazing and shows just how great that movie could have been.
 
Are there any differences between the novel and movie?

And sorry by the bad spealling, Brazillian dude talking here.
 
Are there any differences between the novel and movie?

And sorry by the bad spealling, Brazillian dude talking here.
I'm just about finished with it but the novel differs in that there are small minor character insights into the Chechen, Harvey Dent, etc.

I'd recommend the novel only to make out some of the dialogue that was impossible to hear in the movie because of the loud music.
 
Has anyone else read the novel besides myself? I just got done reading it and man was it a blast. Heres a few add ins that didn't show in the movie that I found rather interesting:

- After scarecrow got tazered by Dawes, he wakes up not remembering what happened with the horse. He ends up lost, with no shelter and nowhere to go and finds an inmate, one of his patients, His patient gives him a place to stay. In that place to stay he starts developing his drugs allowing him to live in his own place.

-Shows the early days of Harvey Dent. He was rather lonely in school. He never attended prom, or any dances, or any football or basketball games, but he studied hard and earned scholarships. His father left him and his mother alone. His only explanation was, "I can't stand the sight of either of ya." Harvey worked at a local drugstore. One night, as he left the drugstore around 10, he went home to his apartment to find both of his parents dead. His mother was left hanging and his father sitting in a kitchen chair, with a gun in his hand, had his head shot with blood everywhere

-The "beginning of the Chechen". The Chechen was a Russian who rather despised his parents. He made his way through dealing cocaine, and he found himself killing cops. He hacked through bank accounts and had the money to live in Mexico City. Soon after Mexico City, he decides to go to Gotham after hearing of corruption there. He hears of Maroni and wants to make deals with him. The Chechen, however, knows that he must prove himself. So he does after burning down buildings and taking over a drug lord ring. Him and Maroni become the co-operators of the business and the Chechen wants to kill Maroni, but decides to wait for later until he gets to know America better

-In the Gambol pool scene, after the joker stands up alive he throws two knives at each of the chests of Gambol's men.

-After crashing the party scene, the joker left the scene in a SUV(more than likely the viral picture shown of joker sitting in the back seat with the goon driving that never showed in the movie). He touched a streamlet of blood running down his makeup-smeared chin with a forefinger, licked it, and said, "Yummy! Did you see that ? Did you love it a great big bunch? I tossed the lovely bird into the wind and out Bats went. I wonder...would the Bats thake a header for everyone? Or is taht pretty little birdie someone special? Either way, we know one thing for sure now.. Batman will always try to save the innocent, and how that will be his downfall! The driver asked what about dent, and the joker smiling said, "Oh, I'm a man of my word. "

-After Bruce saves Rachel, when he takes the fall for her, Alfred inspects Bruce's body. His back muscle was pulled, left wrist sprained. Alfred tells him , "When you dived out that window, did you have a plan?". "If I'd stopped to plan, both Rachel and I would be dead. I didn't have time to do anything but act, and hope my reactions would be the right ones. I had to trust to the moment. It's something Ra's al Ghul taught me." "Just how trustworthy is the moment?" Bruce laughed,"Not very. A negative factor-a gust of wind, say and you'd be planning my funeral." "You seem to feel that this sort of thing might get you killed." "This sort of thing will get me killed, sooner or later, if things keep going the way they are.."

-In the Sal Maroni case, it is just slightly different. The gun is referred to Dent as "Ceramic, .28 caliber. That's how it beat the metal detectors. Made in China I believe." Turning back to Rossi, Dent said, "Mr. Rossi, I recommend you buy American." In the movie, the gun is carbon fiber and he tells Maroni to buy american and not to Rossi.

-When Bruce was in Hong Kong about to handle Lau, he finds himself touring Hong Kong and remembers the time he spent there when he was exploring the criminal underworld during Batman Begins.

-When Dent and the mayor are talking in the office, the fake dead batman has a playing card, a Joker, pinned to his chest with a knife(the leaked picture that was out along with the joker cop and nurse pictures). In the movie, there was no knife at all.
-Shows Bruce Wayne going into investigation of Harvey Dent. He isn't sure if Harvey is what he says he is, or just another crook. Upon investigating, he couldn't do it as either Bruce Wayne or Batman, so he goes into another alter ego, as Charles Malone. He donned a red wig, with a red moustache, adopted an aggressive strut very different from the walk of either Wayne or Batman. His alter ago was a freelance journalist supposively doing an article for Harvey Dent. He first goes to New York to talk to Grooms. Grooms is the police man that worked on the case of the murders of Harvey Dent's parents. Grooms tells Charles Malone(I never thought he would have a third alter ego! lol), that Dent was at work when the murders happened so there was no way he would've been involved. Bruce Wayne continues to go under his alter ego as Charles Malone and continues to investigate Harvey by talking to his teachers, classmates, old & recent girlfriends, fellow posecutors, defense lawyers, even convicts. He even checked his school transcripts as far back to junior high. Bruce finally tells Alfred that he gives up and says, "I was wrong. The guy is a paragon. A much better man that I." "Care to elaborate, Master Bruce?" "He and I were dealt the same rotten hand. Parents dead through violence. But I had advantages...I had you and Rachel and now Lucius. I had a huge house and every option in the world. My financial resources were virtualy unlimited." Alfred replies, "May I remind you that not everyone who pretended to be your friend was." "You mean Earle? Yeah, he was a bad one, and there were a few others. But suppose they'd succeede in getting my family's companies away from me? Do you think I'd've found myself begging for quarters on street corners? No, I'd've still lived very comfortably. BY now, I'd be married to Rachel, and we'd have three kids and be deliriously happy." "You can't be certain of that," replies Alfred.

-Showed how Rachel and Harvey got things going. Rachel at first wasn't interested in him because of his "good looks". She thought that all beautiful men just loved to spend time having their partner brag about how great he was. She didn't like that. One day in court, the attorney in her had to admire his easy command of case law and the assertive way he presented his cases. He seemed totally focused on the business and Rachel loved what she saw.
 
Nice thanks for sharing, anything else come to mind?
 
He threw the knives at Gamble's men? I thought he just cut them as he was sitting up. You can tell he does something in the movie, though.
 
the only part that should of been added was that van scene =[
i really liked that picture
 
-After Bruce saves Rachel, when he takes the fall for her, Alfred inspects Bruce's body. His back muscle was pulled, left wrist sprained. Alfred tells him , "When you dived out that window, did you have a plan?". "If I'd stopped to plan, both Rachel and I would be dead. I didn't have time to do anything but act, and hope my reactions would be the right ones. I had to trust to the moment. It's something Ra's al Ghul taught me."

I would have liked to have seen this scene. If anything, it would offer at least some explanation for how Batman managed to survive that fall, and it would also reference Ra's al Ghul and showcase Bruce's personal progression since the first movie.
 
I would have liked to have seen this scene. If anything, it would offer at least some explanation for how Batman managed to survive that fall, and it would also reference Ra's al Ghul and showcase Bruce's personal progression since the first movie.

After a couple of viewings it seems that Batman -does- manage to at least briefly slow their descent with his cape. An Alfred check-up scene would have been nice though, certainly.
 
He threw the knives at Gamble's men? I thought he just cut them as he was sitting up. You can tell he does something in the movie, though.
In the novel, he throws knives at both of their chests..:) That would've been sweet to see! hehe
 
I'll be back up tomorrow with more updates if I find any more, I'm off to bed, I'll be back around 5 or so.. peace!
 
I would have liked to have seen this scene. If anything, it would offer at least some explanation for how Batman managed to survive that fall, and it would also reference Ra's al Ghul and showcase Bruce's personal progression since the first movie.

I agree

I also would have liked to see the jokers suv scene,
you dont know what happends after bats jumps out the window then you are just left wondering and assuming the joker just left the party
 
that last story is interesting. probably would have slowed the movie down too much, but I'd like to see it if they shot it (doubtful)
 
Updated, scroll up! (You won't blow up like the judge did in the movie)
 
I really like this book. Novels > comic adaptations

Harvey's parents killed themselves when he a kid and how Bruce did detective stuff using Charles Malone in disguise on Harvey ( It's Matches Malone in comics but in the book Dennis O'Neil uses name Charles)
 
-Shows the early days of Harvey Dent. He was rather lonely in school. He never attended prom, or any dances, or any football or basketball games, but he studied hard and earned scholarships. His father left him and his mother alone. His only explanation was, "I can't stand the sight of either of ya." Harvey worked at a local drugstore. One night, as he left the drugstore around 10, he went home to his apartment to find both of his parents dead. His mother was left hanging and his father sitting in a kitchen chair, with a gun in his hand, had his head shot with blood everywhere
I didn't see anything of that sort in the film, actually. Harvey carries his father's "lucky coin," but he explains that he "makes his own luck" with it, meaning that he sees his life as a consequence of his own decisions. That doesn't show any sort of negative connotation involving the relationship with his father, nor does it point to Harvey being a victim of random violence. In fact, during the film, he snaps when he becomes a victim of "random" violence and then embraces that chaos as Two-Face.

In the TDK viral marketing, The Gotham Times newspaper explains Harvey's beginnings as such:

Harvey Dent was born to a middle-class family in Granton during an era where Gotham City was racked by urban riots and civil unrest. His mother, a schoolteacher for the local grammar school, raised him by herself after Dent's father died in a work accident at the Gotham World Chemical Company.

The young Harvey Dent impressed teachers with his diligence and coaches with his athletic abilities. But some who knew him as a child report that Dent carried within him a unique determination.

"You couldn't tell him that he wasn't old enough to do something," said his third-grade teacher Sally Rowe Bowling. "Harvey refused to give up. That's why I volunteered for his campaign the moment I heard he was running."

Other teachers remember a boy who seemed somehow different from others. "He was a serious-minded boy," said Gabriella Cohn-Solomon, his fifth-grade teacher. "There was something sad about him. Like he was already grown up."

After graduating from one of Gotham's first magnet high schools, Harvey Dent decided to stay in the city for college. "He could have gone anywhere," said his high school guidance counselor Jeremy Benthune. "But Harvey said Gotham City was his family, and that he could never leave it."

Dent attended the University of Gotham, where he played soccer for the varsity team and majored in Political Science. After graduating with honors, he returned to the school for a law degree.

http://batman.wikibruce.com/The_Making_of_Harvey_Dent

Not sure which version to treat as canon, LOL, but from what we're shown in the film, I'm leaning towards the ARG.
 
I didn't enjoy the novel that much. It dragged in the early parts for me and I guess it's because I didn't care for some of the backstory. There was a whole chapter on the Chechen's background and I don't care enough about the character to want to know where he came from. He's not even a major player in the main plot. There was a lot of new stuff in the 1st half of the book and the 2nd half is straight from the movie.

I also caught 5-7 typos and misspellings in the book.
 
The worse thing about the novel is, he add in stupid things like Harvey dent was NOT elected to be the new DA.


Seriously, the author has a even LESS understanding of Nolan's film than the fans.
 
The worse thing about the novel is, he add in stupid things like Harvey dent was NOT elected to be the new DA.


Seriously, the author has a even LESS understanding of Nolan's film than the fans.

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