Comics So JMS and Joey Q know they screwed up...

Herr Logan said:
Cullen, are you mocking me?
Nopers. Not intentionally, at any rate.

Herr Logan said:
You dare?!
Of course not. I would never ever ever mock you. Perish the thought.

>>Snicker<<

Actually, I thought I was poking fun at myself. Kind of. I know here I;m the most innocent of men, but elsewhere I can be... well... an a$$.

I know, I know. I can't believe either. But they tell me it's true, and Why should I doubt?
 
Shadowknight said:
No no... we live in a PC world now, where we should respect the opinions of obsessive comic fans in a fair and gender-neutral way.

The correct title is "fan-PERSON" :O
I like that.:up:
 
Cullen said:
Nopers. Not intentionally, at any rate.

Of course not. I would never ever ever mock you. Perish the thought.

>>Snicker<<

Actually, I thought I was poking fun at myself. Kind of. I know here I;m the most innocent of men, but elsewhere I can be... well... an a$$.

I know, I know. I can't believe either. But they tell me it's true, and Why should I doubt?

Why, why, why haven't I yet trained you to stop speaking and return to your hole in the wall the moment you get caught misbehaving?? Is this the punishment for my laziness??

:wolverine
 
Shadowknight said:
No no... we live in a PC world now, where we should respect the opinions of obsessive comic fans in a fair and gender-neutral way.

The correct title is "fan-PERSON" :O

:p Aww, but that takes away from all the life in it. However, I'm afraid I have no good replacement, so I'll take it. :up: Because when it comes to obsessiving over something, there is no gender boundaries. :)
 
LarryLegend said:
To get back on topic, the problem is Joey Q and JMS seem to sort of vaguely grasp the idea that they've screwed up. Problem is they don't get the why and how. Therefore any attempt to fix things will likely just **** things up even more. I mean if you're car breaks down after being worked on at a local garage would you take it back to the same people?

Yeah..........if I was a dope who just mindlessly gives his hard earned money away to conceeded know it alls who don't know S**t about there own f**cking trade!

Been there, done that for the first 3 years of Mr. Copycats' run.
 
if these two were mechanics and screwed up your car would you bring it back to them to fix it again???
 
Themanofbat said:
Other than Aunt May, everybody else is either dead or in limbo. And once they get rid of MJ, there will be nothing left of the past to build on (other than all the ressurection crap that will be pure nonsense in my opinion).

:(

Also....A divorced 20-something male with emotional stress and probablly depression is not going to be any more relatable to people than a happily married couple.
 
roach said:
if these two were mechanics and screwed up your car would you bring it back to them to fix it again???

Roach, I think Larry just asked that same question. And I just answered it. Again. No way in hell.

:-)
 
Herr Logan said:
Ex-feckin'-actly! Those are most of my arguments against that term right there. :up:

The sheer ignorance and hypocrisy it takes to call another poster that... it's unforgivable. I say we skin them, string them up by their tendons, then toss salt and squirt citric juices at them. Justice must be meted out, and the hypocritical heathens must be cleansed of their folly with pain!

:wolverine

I'm just waiting for the next ignorant dullard to come along and say something condescending about how all of us are fanboys...just so that we can verbally dissect him in front of everyoen here.
 
Yes, heaven forbid someone show a HEALTHY marriage to oh, I dunno...INSPIRE people to have one themselves. I happen to have a healthy marriage myself, so I have no problem relating to Peter/MJ. And if I WASN'T married, and younger, and read about them together, it might make me want that myself.

This is why Quesada is a no-gettin'-laid loser.
 
Doc Destruction said:
Yes, heaven forbid someone show a HEALTHY marriage to oh, I dunno...INSPIRE people to have one themselves. I happen to have a healthy marriage myself, so I have no problem relating to Peter/MJ. And if I WASN'T married, and younger, and read about them together, it might make me want that myself.

This is why Quesada is a no-gettin'-laid loser.

And Doc, which I stated recently in a separate thread, you could, gosh, be young and not want anything to do with marraige, and still be happy for a married Peter. Wow, heaven forbid :rolleyes:
 
But a married Spidey is a betrayl of th' character! Spidey stopped being Spidey when he went to college!

YOUNG SPIDEY FOREVER!
 
ChineseFooD said:
Also....A divorced 20-something male with emotional stress and probablly depression is not going to be any more relatable to people than a happily married couple.

Depends on who the target audience is. :o


:(

:wolverine
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
But a married Spidey is a betrayl of th' character! Spidey stopped being Spidey when he went to college!

YOUNG SPIDEY FOREVER!
nice impersonation but it's missing the long rant and the calling us fanboys...
Besides everyone knows that the Spidey core is Amazing Fantasy... and anything beyond that is rubbish...
GWEN IS NOT A ****!!!! AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE WASN'T IN AMAZING FANTASY!!! THUS SHE DOESN'T EXIST!!!
 
*Ahem*

The core of the Spider-Man character is the adventures of teenaged hero Peter Parker coming to terms with a mistake he made and repenting because of it. Ptahtic fanboys clamored for constant change and so Spidey began to age and lose the core elements of the character. They have become so dilusional that they think all the changes made to Spidey over the years are a good thing. As an iconic perpetual character, he should remain as he was created because he doesn't need to be realistic.

The only way to fix Spider-Man is to make him a teenager forever. Nothing past the first 10 issues of Spider-Man should exist because they take away from the core of the character.

But, ignorant fanboys won't hear my words.

Yet, I still try.

Because that's what Spider-Man would do.
 
It's ok... I'm not going to make you write 1 zillion word essay on how much the greedy fanboys ruined spidey... yours is the cliff's notes version of "his" rants...
 
Heh yeah, I pissed myself off just writin' it. God what a windbag. Love people who think memorizin' a thesaurus makes you a genius.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Heh yeah, I pissed myself off just writin' it. God what a windbag. Love people who think memorizin' a thesaurus makes you a genius.
Wait, what, it doesn't? What about memorizing a dictionary? Or an encyclopidea?

Have I wasted my entire life?
 
dan1 said:
Roach, I think Larry just asked that same question. And I just answered it. Again. No way in hell.

:-)


it stood being asked every five pages
 
Petty insults from petty people. I am a genuinely sensitive person, and these vile comments hurt. If that's your intent, congratulations.

No one has learned anything from the comics of old. Everyone belittles each other, hates each other, and has no hesitation about tearing each other to shreds. And that is the polar opposite of what Marvel and Spider-Man used to stand for.

I hate conflict. I try not to attack people and insult them personally, even if I really want to. I voice my opinions in a clear-cut, mater-of-fact fashion.

I believe in love and happiness and everyone treating each other with respect. If my own bitterness towards the direction comics has taken has led me to offend anyone here, then I am sorry.

But this place is starting to look like the the Comic Book Resources Forum, and that's not a compliment.


(Do we even have moderators here?)


In the end, my bottom-line point is that Spider-Man has been lost. The character Lee and Ditko created was so perfect, so universally appealing, that he earned his fame. And, as time went on, other writers and artists (such as Romita, Conway, Andru, Stern, Frenz, etc.) added to that legend, and did it well. Despite moving to college and "evolving", Spider-Man still looked, talked, acted, and felt like Spider-Man.

And then the proponents of growth and change took over completely, and laid on gimmick after gimmick, stunt after stunt. Now, "Spider-Man" is a stranger being battered from stunt to stunt, horror to horror. He is being controlled and read by people who only care about crude entertainment, about instant gratification. This is a major step-down from the intricately written, character-driven stories of the past.

Well, that's not necessarily true. Today's stories are character-driven. It's just that the characters are out of character.


As I've said, comics were created for a certain age bracket (all-ages acceptable, but aimed at kids), and were designed to be infinite, designed to be mythic. Where would comics be today if a writer in 1943 had decided that in order to be "realistic", Luthor would kill Superman with a chunk of Kryptonite, or that it would be neat to see Wonder Woman raped and beaten, or that Batman become a fugitive?

This genre and these characters were created with certain unspoken rules which, if obeyed, would keep them "evergreen". Unfortunately, today's creators are breaking all of the rules, at great cost to the characters and to people who are invested in them.

And that hurts. It hurts.


Anything goes, these days. There are no standards of decency. Many writers write the stories to serve them, not the characters. What they fail to understand is that they are not important. The characters are important. Being true to the characters created by Lee and Ditko and Kirby and all the rest are what's important. The writers and artists, once anomyous, uncredited people the readers never heard of (or from), have now become the stars of the books. It seems that the fans now argue more about the creators than the characters and the stories. And that's wrong.

After a while, after endless stunts and retcons and horrors and out-of-character behavior and 127 different versions of the characters, it all becomes bland and empty. The characters become hollow, the readers become jaded. There's no beauty, no mystery, no fun, no thought, no love, no passion. The characters and the fans become shells of what they once were, but they can't even hope to change things, because they're too entrenched in the routine of "*****-buy-*****-bag-board-buy-*****" to stop.


Most of the fans left today squabble among themselves endlessly, or worship every move the creators make because they don't know any better.

I'm not sure why I'm clinging to a sinking ship. Perhaps it's because I can't help but watch as these beloved characters are mangled. Because I care.

But it still hurts.
 
Gregatron,you need to develop a thicker skin.Don't let faceless strangers on the INTERNET hurt your feelings.Do you really care what other people think about you on the net over some comic book characters??

If you see someone over stepping the line then hit the report button on their post.A moderator will respond to it and take appropriate action.
 
Doc Ock said:
Gregatron,you need to develop a thicker skin.Don't late faceless strangers on the INTERNET hurt your feelings.Do you really care what other people think about you on the net over some comic book characters??

If you see someone over stepping the line then hit the report button on their post.A moderator will respond to it and take appropriate action.

What he said, man.

I hav eno personal probelm with you. You hat the current status of the Spider-Man books, so do I. You want him to be young forever, I don't. You've more than adequately stated your reasons, and I can see your point of view. That's enough for me. I understand alot of people on here have disagreed with you, but I've tried to stay out of it. I disagree, but that's all I can say. That, and any guy who goes to such lengths to write an essay about the defamation of Gwen Stacy's character is forever in my cool book.
 
Doc Ock said:
Gregatron,you need to develop a thicker skin.Don't let faceless strangers on the INTERNET hurt your feelings.Do you really care what other people think about you on the net over some comic book characters??

If you see someone over stepping the line then hit the report button on their post.A moderator will respond to it and take appropriate action.


I've never had a thick skin. And I think that's why many of us read superhero comics to begin with.
 

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