It does to me. I think it's one of the greatest movies ever made and what I mean by that is that it is in my opinion in the top 10 best movies of all time, if not then definitely in the top 20 or top 15.
Obviously not something to really put faith into, but you could take this into consideration....maybe, lol:
Rank Rating Title Votes
1. 9.2 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 870,294
2. 9.2 The Godfather (1972) 632,823
3. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 405,524
4. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 678,387
5. 8.9 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) 267,372
6. 8.9 12 Angry Men (1957) 214,412
7. 8.9 The Dark Knight (2008) 851,986
8. 8.9 Schindler's List (1993) 450,990
9. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 617,112
10. 8.8 Fight Club (1999) 665,328
11. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 435,639
12. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 365,620
13. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 640,860
14. 8.7 Inception (2010) 668,885
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 383,874
16. 8.7 Star Wars (1977) 489,030
17. 8.7 Seven Samurai (1954) 140,005
18. 8.7 The Matrix (1999) 635,639
19. 8.7 Forrest Gump (1994) 566,498
20. 8.7 City of God (2002) 286,811
21. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) 553,279
22. 8.6 Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) 122,017
23. 8.6 Se7en (1995) 507,553
24. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 425,591
25. 8.6 Casablanca (1942) 240,025
26. 8.6 The Usual Suspects (1995) 407,539
27. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 374,112
28. 8.6 Rear Window (1954) 180,124
29. 8.6 Psycho (1960) 224,505
30. 8.6 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 152,898
31. 8.6 Léon: The Professional (1994) 371,727
32. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 81,689
33. 8.5 Memento (2000) 463,650
34. 8.5 The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 466,760
35. 8.5 American History X (1998) 401,883
36. 8.5 Apocalypse Now (1979) 261,226
37. 8.5 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 400,266
38. 8.5 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 217,378
39. 8.5 Saving Private Ryan (1998) 449,801
40. 8.5 Alien (1979) 300,123
41. 8.5 North by Northwest (1959) 132,610
42. 8.5 City Lights (1931) 50,990
43. 8.5 Spirited Away (2001) 194,498
44. 8.5 Citizen Kane (1941) 189,814
45. 8.5 Modern Times (1936) 64,188
46. 8.5 The Shining (1980) 310,073
47. 8.5 Vertigo (1958) 136,986
48. 8.5 Back to the Future (1985) 351,994
49. 8.5 American Beauty (1999) 464,655
50. 8.4 The Pianist (2002) 238,855
Yes, that is a good representation of Peter Parker. I don't see why it's so shocking to you to begin with. A lot of nerds are outcasts especially the stereotypical nerds which you claim to love so much.
Imo, The Big Bang Theory stereotypes nerds in a way where I find to be truer than outcasts trying to just stay and sit in a corner by themselves.
That's fine. Your opinion. However, that is irrelevant to how good of a portrayal of Peter Parker is. It is not a good portrayal because that is not how Peter Parker was written in the comics.
And neither, really, is Batman in Nolan's trilogy, but I find that portrayal to be the best as Raimi's usage of Peter Parker in his films.
Well said
. Don't repeat this to me though. Repeat it to the GA. They don't care about the pre-production and personal reasons of Sony and Sam Raimi as to why the film was bad. For your average Joe that saw the movie, the movie was bad and the director screwed up big time. That's the end of the story for him/her.
Of course that's what the GA thinks, BUT...that doesn't mean the GA isn't at least aware that the characters were written far better in Spider-Man 1 and 2.
I never said he just has good memory. That is what you said, or at least implied. You told me that Tobey's Peter was a bigger nerd than Andrew's Peter because he can memorize tons of stuff and I told you that having a good memory doesn't automatically make you a nerd. This doesn't mean that Tobey's Peter is not a nerd at all; just that the argument that you provided for why he is a nerd is complete BS.
If Peter Parker is an intelligent man to have known these things already, than that just shows how smart Peter is to know how things work, to know how things are created and used.
And the movie tells us that his emotions are connected to his powers and that he was losing his powers due to depression over not being able to be with MJ. Then a while after he loses his powers and quits being Spider-Man, he adapts back to his old life and begins to enjoy his personal life again more than ever before and tries to hook up with MJ again even though the girl is already engaged and even though crime rates all over the city are rising and many people in NY City are asking him to return. Yes, he does try to become Spider-Man again and I give him credit for that but that's only after several hesitations including a moment when he doesn't even bother to call 911 when he notices a guy getting beaten to a pulp by a gang. It's only when the girl he has a crush on gets kidnapped that he fully becomes emotionally motivated again to become Spider-Man and does so successfully. All the stuff from before combined didn't seem to do that for some reason.
But it simply wasn't for MJ that Peter quit. Hell, as you said, MJ was engaged so there was no way he thought he had a shot left, it was only MJ that decided she now wanted to be with Peter, not the other way around.
I want to clarify. It's not that they say he's not heroic but that he isn't heroic enough or that he's nowhere as heroic as other superheroes. I hear some people say this. Those people usually say stuff like "Spider-Man? What can he do? He has lame powers that can only be used for helping grandmas cross the street!"
To be fair, I don't think this applies to the Raimi films that much. I do think they could've done a lot more to show what Spider-Man is capable of but I don't think the GA's opinion on this comes from the Raimi films. Notice how when I first wrote that list of reasons the GA has to why Spider-Man sucks, I said that most of those reasons only apply to Raimi's version of Spider-Man (not all).
So you're really talking about if Spidey is heroic when you bring in examples of people thinking he only helps grandmas? Lol. It was obviously a mistake he didn't help that kid who was getting beat up, but he understood his destiny even when his powers weren't working by saving that little girl from that building that was caught in flames.
Already gave him credit for that. You get no cookie.
You did?
Yes, that's true. But I do find it a bit disappointing that that burning building with the little girl trapped inside and the stuff from before combined didn't 100% motivate him to become Spider-Man again and get his powers back but the kidnapping of his self-centered crush got him to 100% in less than a minute after her kidnapping.
That was never going to give Peter his powers back until something happened with Mary Jane as all of that happened because of Peter's love to Mary Jane(something, imo, that is completely ruined when MJ breaks up with Peter and nothing happens...if love did this to Peter in S-M 2, something similar should've happened in S-M 3).
He still has that wimp vibe and carries himself like a wimp. An example is the scene when all of his sheets in his binder fall on the street and every single person walking by steps on them. I get that Peter is supposed to be mistreated to an extent but that is going way way way way way way too far. Heck, even the bus driver and other nerds picked on Peter pre-spider bite in the Raimi films. Peter in the comics was never the bud of everyone's joke to that ridiculous level at any point, pre or post bite. That was just ridiculous. Also the scene where he timidly asks Jameson for a bit of a raise and Jameson just laughs in his face and then kicks him out is also going way too far with the whole "Peter is a pushover" thing. Read the early Amazing Spider-Man issue where Peter asks JJ for a raise and manages to get one or the Ultimate Spider-Man issue where Peter gets fired by JJ but still gives him a whole speech on what an unfair coward prick he is (and rightfully so). There are limits to Peter's lack of confidence as Peter Parker.
I love that contrast though. Peter Parker being this wimp, but when he's Spider-Man, he's way more different, but even after the spider bite, Peter Parker is at least more confident with the way he is such as when speaking to his friends more or his Aunt. There's a little maturation and confidence with Peter after the spider bite, but nothing compared to how he is when he's Spider-Man. That contrast is satisfying, imo.
He's funny throughout the whole movie.
Not if you ask me
He is
t:. Seeing as how the new Spider-Man is faster and moves more like the one in the comics as opposed to Tobey's Spider-Man thus concluding that Andrew's Spider-Man is stronger than Tobey's Spider-Man who was on par with SM1's GG and knowing that Andrew's Spider-Man took a bit from the Lizard in TASM and was outmatched in many ways (and this is high school Spider-Man BTW, not the college Spider-Man of the Raimi films who is meant to be much stronger), I think it's fair to assume that the Lizard can defeat SM1's GG any day
. Plus, he got closer to taking over the city than the Green Goblin ever did. I think I'll go with the giant green Lizard monster over the guy flying around in a Power Rangers reject suit. Doc Ock is more debatable but I'll still go with the Lizard.
Nothing is concrete on Webb's Spider-Man being stronger; in fact, I believe I read something where Webb concentrates on his Spidey only being faster and more agile, but Raimi's Spider-Man seems far more stronger.
But...we are talking about who's more threatening of the villains, and while you can say Lizard could beat up Green Goblin, that doesn't make him any more threatening to Spider-Man. Both of these villains had their moments of beating Spidey, but couldn't one say Lizard could beat up GG in the comics as well? That doesn't make Lizard any more threatening just because he's a giant lizard. His master plan was that of a B-rated sci-fi film that I think could've been much better and his presence wasn't scary at all.
And the Lizard wasn't sympathetic in the film. Connors was the sympathetic one. The Lizard was a brutal beast
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A brutal beast when he simply had to be with Peter and Captain Stacy. He never decided to harm just people he didn't care about, which would've made him feel like a feral beast and he never did
Really? Hold on.
*waits till midnight and listens to GG's voice on YouTube*
Nope. Still the same. Honestly, the voice is not that creepy to begin with. Dafoe was far scarier/creepier as Norman Osborn than as GG.
Highly disagree
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Exactly like that? No. Similar to that? Yes. He even has the same haircut he had at one point in the comics.
Exactly like that? Good, glad he never dressed
exactly like a moron.
They're two different things but you can be both at the same time. You can be a nerd and be an outcast who doesn't fit in because you're a nerd. And Peter has been both. He was a nerd constantly bullied by the top popular kids like Flash but also an outcast ignored by everyone else in the school, which was the majority of the school. Basically, most of the school completely ignored him except for the few people that bullied him (talk about a crappy life). You saw that in TASM too.
Imo, Raimi portrayed the bold perfectly as much as you can say Webb portrayed the other way perfectly as well. We are definitely getting into opinion territory now it seems, lol.
He's not dressed like a bum. That old vest-jacket thingy he wears throughout the film makes him look more nerdy especially when he has the glasses on. It's what a 21st century nerd that looks a bit stereotypical would wear. We've been over the skateboarding a million times (it has NOTHING to do with anything; by no means proves he's not a nerd or not an outcast) and I don't see how he wants to be alone.
That doesn't speak to me as 21st century nerd. That speaks to me as a 21st century hipster.
See above points. Also, I want to point out that although this is true to an extent, the irony is that they only date in SM3.
Well of course since the trilogy was about Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson and their 'love story'. It's not like the same pattern can be used when Gwen Stacy is meant to die in this series; Peter and Gwen had to quickly become a couple, lol.
Why not though? It's a very important part of Spider-Man. It goes back to when I said that the films are rushed and half-assed adaptations. I blame the writers for this and not Tobey. At least Nolan's Batman, though the detective stuff is not the main focus around Batman at all, is still present and you still see glimpses of Batman's intelligence throughout all three movies and yes, even including in TDKR (I'm going to admit that).
Why not? Why force a situation that doesn't belong in the story? One thing I hate is when something is cradled for the CB fans that has nothing relevant to the plot of the film.
And in return, I will show everyone in my theater this:
See what I did there?
Needless to say, I couldn't trust anyone in the theatre on what they'll say if they get scared over the littlest things
Nah. But that particular scene felt very real to me. I was really afraid for Peter that he could've drowned. It is a great scene IMO.
Really? I'm sure there could be the same, or even more, panic of Peter's death with Lizard squeezing Peter ontop of OsCorp Tower, imo.
It doesn't make sense to you because you are (presumably) sane. Of course that a normal mental person wouldn't want to turn everyone into a giant Lizard but for Connors who has been driven insane and unstable by the serum, it all makes sense. He believes he has achieved perfection and wants to share his gift with the world. A motivation doesn't have to make sense to us. It just has to be believable that it would make sense to the villain and has to make us the viewers believe and understand why the villain would have that motivation (in this case, we believe Connors would have that motivation due to the insanity brought for by his mutation and we understand why it makes sense to him but no one else).
Imo, it still makes far more sense, on a thematic level, for Connors to still test his family first. What's more insane in trying to "heal" his perfectly healthy family?
That's why his motivation is off. It feels like a bad sci-fi film with no emotional pull whatsoever.
I didn't find the film less interesting after the origin. I found everything after the origin a bit more interesting instead since they finally got to the story they wanted to tell (I'm talking about SM1 right now). I like all parts of TASM equally and like how everything is connected though I do think the second act has a few pacing problems.
I enjoyed Spider-Man from the beginning to end because it all felt like it was in the same tone and atmosphere, whereas TAS-M felt like Webb directing an indie film that grew in size within a hour, and that's not how I should feel, imo. The scope should've been there from the beginning.