So who wrote the script? (Explanation here!)

[DocHoliday]

I am happy to see an actor not just "use" this role as a way to afford them more opportunities. I hear that from actors all the time and while I understand their point they come off as sorta unexcited by it. Norton taking a behind the scenes creative role is reassuring.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm just trying to help. The more stuff we put on here to talk about the more choices we have. I don't care if I'm first or not. I'm just so deep into movies that I could talk about them all day. I'm a movie groupie. I see more non-Marvel movies each year then Marvel. I have a 400 disc and 300 disc dvd player side by side filled with DVD's and a pile on the shelf next to them. Marvel films are not even in my favorite genre...hell comic book films aren't my favorite genre. Sci-Fi and especially sci-fi horror is. In fact the only Marvel film near the top 10 movies on my list is Blade 2 and perhaps Blade.

The argument about my posting is ignorant and getting tired and people that keep bringing it up are just trying to throw dirt because they have nothing else to say.

I only go to the Marvel boards? Yeah right. Another ignorant comment. My favorite threads are about Escape from NY, I have 2 good ones in the Dark Knight forum, Gears of War, 1st person shooter games, The Thing, Kurt Sutter's Dragon thread, Fantastic Voyage, I have several general box office threads started, one on GI Joe I just started, Condemned: Criminal Origins, Starship Troopers, DC's Infinite Halloween Special, Futuristic Racers, Die Hard, Piracy Threads, Vin Diesel's Hannibal project, Rambo IV, NFL Thread 2006, 2007, Point Break Sequel, Lost Boys 2, The Dark Knight Video Game, Batman Competition Thread, The Tripper thread, The Invisible Thread, Big Trouble in Little China, Breakfast Cereal Thread , etc...I was also active in the 300 thread, Superman Returns, comic-con threads, etc...That's just to name a few off the top of my head without look. Many of those threads I started.

IT doesn't take much research to say's AVe's comment is a 100% lie. Of course I love Marvel movies is that a freaking crime. It's just I hate when people take that and twist it into lies to make themselves feel better. The only reason I talk more about Marvel movies doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out anyways. How many DC films have been released in 15 years? LOL Marvel films? Bingo Pokey you win a stuffed bear.

And AVe, you've never seen me say a nice thing about non-Marvel movies? Another lie. Go to the Dark Knight, Superman Returns, 300, Batman Begins, Casino Royale, threads. Go to the thread on The Island, Transformers, Babylon AD, Green Lantern, and other hopeful films not by Marvel. GI Joe, The Crow, V for Vendetta...keep searching. More lies.

Batman Begins was the best comic movie in 2005, 300 was the best film this year, and after that Shooter IMO. I loved Superman REturns, I can't wait for The Dark Knight.

AD, i am on the SR boards EVERYDAY and the last time i saw you on there was just after the movie was released, so its not a lie, go to the SR boards and you will see i am involved in every thread, and i havent seen you there in a good while, so its not a lie. Plus, i have been on the TF boards for the last 2 weeks straight and i havent seen you there either. Keep calling me a liar all you want, but i know these things.

Your opinions about me mean nothing. You used to be cool here and now you just sling dirt for no reason. Except my opinion is based on fact which can be documented here just by doing some researching into my posting. Your opinion is based on ignorance or you're lying. One of the two. (see above post)

I sling dirt for no reason? Really, go ask other posters on here if i do that and i bet their reply will be NO.

 

[antsiou]

For those who want to discuss the Screenplay, Norton and Penn, and the implication on TIH, please go here http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281073

AV and AD, I've booked two seat on his next show

 

[Trooper]

AD's one of the coolest and most contributing hypers ever

...hes on my myspace friendlist

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For those who want to discuss the Screenplay, Norton and Penn, and the implication on TIH, please go here http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281073

AV and AD, I've booked two seat on his next show

Ha ha, that made me laugh at least

 

[DocHoliday]

For those who want to discuss the Screenplay, Norton and Penn, and the implication on TIH, please go here http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281073

AV and AD, I've booked two seat on his next show

I wonder what his thought of the day will be like on that episode! lol

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ Dont know, but its bound to end with "Take care of yourself and other posters on SSH!"

 

[DocHoliday]

^ Dont know, but its bound to end with "Take care of yourself and other posters on SSH!"

Most certainly.

 

[jrd550]

Wow things are getting tense in here. What I will say is that some blindly loved GR because of MSJ's involvement on these boards and invite to the premier - when it was at best a mediocre movie - stereotypical from beginning to end - with the only originality coming from the character itself that was created ages ago, and some inspired (though at times off) acting by Cage.

Now, back to the Hulk. I'm glad Norton has gotten involved since Penn's writing seems to be a bit pedestrian and the whole genre is in danger of being a parody of itself if many run of the mill movies are made.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

Wow things are getting tense in here. What I will say is that some blindly loved GR because of MSJ's involvement on these boards and invite to the premier - when it was at best a mediocre movie - stereotypical from beginning to end - with the only originality coming from the character itself that was created ages ago, and some inspired (though at times off) acting by Cage.

Now, back to the Hulk. I'm glad Norton has gotten involved since Penn's writing seems to be a bit pedestrian and the whole genre is in danger of being a parody of itself if many run of the mill movies are made.

I agree on all points. The only exception being, I have an even less favorable opinion of Ghost Rider.

 

[OutcryX]

Ghost Rider was GOD-AWFUL.....please do not let him touch another Superhero flick...or any flick for that matter.....and no...no Directors cut will save Ghost Rider as it did for Daredevil....but I genuinely like anything Ed Norton is in...which makes me think Hulk is in good hands

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wow things are getting tense in here. What I will say is that some blindly loved GR because of MSJ's involvement on these boards and invite to the premier - when it was at best a mediocre movie - stereotypical from beginning to end - with the only originality coming from the character itself that was created ages ago, and some inspired (though at times off) acting by Cage.

Now, back to the Hulk. I'm glad Norton has gotten involved since Penn's writing seems to be a bit pedestrian and the whole genre is in danger of being a parody of itself if many run of the mill movies are made.

If you are saying i liked GR because MSJ visits these boards you extremely misinformed my friend. Zak Penn visits these boards as well, but you will NEVER hear me say a good word about him, i dont care who visits these boards, if i dont like a movie i dont like it simple as.

If you are not referring to me i apologise.

 

[jrd550]

If you are saying i liked GR because MSJ visits these boards you extremely misinformed my friend. Zak Penn visits these boards as well, but you will NEVER hear me say a good word about him, i dont care who visits these boards, if i dont like a movie i dont like it simple as.

If you are not referring to me i apologise.

Yeah I wasn't reffering to you or anyone else specifically - I just noticed 'a lot of love' for the director and movie and often wondered why since it was at best sub-par - I assumed the respect it received (including SHH's own positive review) was due to the fact that MSJ was on these boards and some fans had a presence at the premier. I'm not posting here enough to remember who said what or when, so no I was not referring to you 'aveitwithjamon'.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah I wasn't reffering to you or anyone else specifically - I just noticed 'a lot of love' for the director and movie and often wondered why since it was at best sub-par - I assumed the respect it received (including SHH's own positive review) was due to the fact that MSJ was on these boards and some fans had a presence at the premier. I'm not posting here enough to remember who said what or when, so no I was not referring to you 'aveitwithjamon'.

Then i apologise. The reason i like GR is because it captured the feel and story of the earliest Blaze stories VERY accurately. And faithfulness to source is always a big plus for me in CB movies.

 

[Cracker Jack]

The reason i like GR is because it captured the feel and story of the earliest Blaze stories VERY accurately. And faithfulness to source is always a big plus for me in CB movies.

HAHAHAHA

In the comics, the man he saves is actually Roxanne’s father, who adopted Johnny after his parents die. When Mephisto goes to claim Johnny’s soul, he is fused with the demon Zarathos, a rival of Mephisto, and this is how he becomes the Ghost Rider, not just as being a bounty hunter for the devil. The battle between Zarathos and Blaze for control was always a huge part of the Ghost Rider story. Johnny Blaze was a whiskey drinking, foul mouthed tough guy who is down on his luck and looking for a way to rid himself of this terrifying curse. In the movie, Johnny Blaze eats jelly beans out of a martini glass, watches a ton of television, and doesn’t drink because he gets nightmares.

No there weren't any changes in Hulk either.

 

[Clobberin' Time]

Back on topic.

Thank **** Penn is out.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

HAHAHAHA

In the comics, the man he saves is actually Roxanne’s father, who adopted Johnny after his parents die. When Mephisto goes to claim Johnny’s soul, he is fused with the demon Zarathos, a rival of Mephisto, and this is how he becomes the Ghost Rider, not just as being a bounty hunter for the devil. The battle between Zarathos and Blaze for control was always a huge part of the Ghost Rider story. Johnny Blaze was a whiskey drinking, foul mouthed tough guy who is down on his luck and looking for a way to rid himself of this terrifying curse. In the movie, Johnny Blaze eats jelly beans out of a martini glass, watches a ton of television, and doesn’t drink because he gets nightmares.

No there weren't any changes in Hulk either.

I know the exact story of GR in the comics, and IMO MSJ did a good job of slimming it down getting a lot of the crap out. In the original comics he wasnt actually a drinker or a smoker, that came a bit later.

I'm glad he left out Roxanne being JB's step-sister as well, and that JB was responsible in some way for the death of Roxanne's mother. There was a lot in the original comic i am glad he left out, see this thread for more:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280709

 

[Seen]

^ That's bull**** Ave and you know it. I don't love all Marvel films. I hated X1, Daredevil, and Elektra, and though FF1 was mediocre, and Ghost Rider was about a 7.5 out of 10. You and those who keep saying that about me are just trying to get a rise out of me. I've stated this a zillion times. That argument is old.

Regarding X3 I put the blame on Singer & his writers for bailing first. Fox was then stuck with having to make a 3rd film or risk losing the extremely valuable rights. They were screwed. So they found a director (all things considered) who did a great job. The writers had almost no time to do this and were not tied to the storyline like Singer and his writers were. I didn't say "ANY" blame. It's the writers fault for taking the job. I loved it though for what it was. Lots of things that were missed from the first 2 films and lots of action. That's ok by me once in awhile. More worked than didn't so I don't blame anyone since I enjoyed it.

20th Century Fox was dicking Singer around. He wanted to do two films (X3 and X4, along with a bigger budget and a well-deserved higher salary) and like the first two films, Fox wouldn't budge. So when WB offered him everything that he wanted and more, of course Singer and his creative team jumped ship. Given the circumstances, I think so would any sane person.

Simon Kinberg also admittedly said he had plenty of time to write the script, and in the talkbacks over at XFilm.Net, he said he had time to do 15 drafts, along with Zak Penn. He was hired in October of 2004, and production didn't begin until nearly a year later. So they had plenty of time. And they still turned out a ****ty effort, in my opinion.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think we all know that if the movie is a success then Norton will be praised, but if the movie tanks then Penn wil be the scapegoat...

....just as it should be!

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think we all know that if the movie is a success then Norton will be praised, but if the movie tanks then Penn wil be the scapegoat...

....just as it should be!

Yeah, I suspect that was intentional.

 

[Advanced Dark]

This is from a recent CHUD article:

As I've yet to read Zak Penn's draft (which, contrary to Norton's claims, is the script being shot by Louis Leterrier), this is the extent of my analysis. I suppose it's possible a young Bruce Banner was once hooked off the stage of the Apollo by Sandman Simms (kinda like Zoidberg), and this is the storied theater's comeuppance, but that would just be silly.

I've been thinking the same thing since day 1.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

20th Century Fox was dicking Singer around. He wanted to do two films (X3 and X4, along with a bigger budget and a well-deserved higher salary) and like the first two films, Fox wouldn't budge. So when WB offered him everything that he wanted and more, of course Singer and his creative team jumped ship. Given the circumstances, I think so would any sane person.

Simon Kinberg also admittedly said he had plenty of time to write the script, and in the talkbacks over at XFilm.Net, he said he had time to do 15 drafts, along with Zak Penn. He was hired in October of 2004, and production didn't begin until nearly a year later. So they had plenty of time. And they still turned out a ****ty effort, in my opinion.

Agreed 100%, they easily had enough time to churn out a worthy effort.

This is from a recent CHUD article:



I've been thinking the same thing since day 1.

Well now my confidence has dropped about 80%

 

[Advanced Dark]

My confidence hasn't dropped at all. I figured they were using Norton to do some re-writes but giving him top billing as a writer because of the fan negativity with Zak. I've heard all about how awesome this script is. Zero worries here.

 

[Sava]

My confidence hasn't dropped at all. I figured they were using Norton to do some re-writes but giving him top billing as a writer because of the fan negativity with Zak. I've heard all about how awesome this script is. Zero worries here.

big surprise there

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Ha ha well pointed out Sava.