Something missing...

A lot of intersting things here...

One thing not mentioned..if I remember right...weren't Bruce and Betty staying in touch at the end? She mailed him her necklace and he was mailing it back, right? So at least Bruce decided to keep her posted on where he he is.

I think it's implied that they pawned her mother's necklace because they needed money to escape and meet Mr. Blue.

Evidently Bruce tracked the necklace back so now he's sending it back to Betty.
 
I think it's implied that they pawned her mother's necklace because they needed money to escape and meet Mr. Blue.

Evidently Bruce tracked the necklace back so now he's sending it back to Betty.

Exactly
Correction: Just like nearly every comic book made by Marvel / DC. At least.. every western comic moves in circles. They make great progress and then just turn around and go back to the way things used to be.

The dynamics of their relationships hadn't changed by the end of the movie. Partly because there were no ending denouncements for anybody but Hulk.

-Betty's relationship is still strained with Thunderbolt.
-Hulk still wants to get rid of Hulk. He does have some control but how much isn't clear.
-Thunderbolt is still going to chase after Hulk. He still wants Hulk. (This movie removed the hatred he has for the Banner family.)

And the idea that Superhero movies end up where they started is insane. This movie is the exception to the rule since they setup the movie in the middle of the story. We have no reference to their relationships pre-Hulk.
 
The movie is fun and action packed but the character development is close to zero.

Now the fun and the action are there to make us forget things as character development.

Well, I did see some character development in the movie:

- Banner initially wanted to rid himself of Hulk, through his search for the cure and his conversation with Betty in the car about his negative perception of the Hulk (and not wanting to control it, just get rid of it). But after he apparently gotten rid of the Hulk (thanks to that "cure"), he saw the destruction Abom made and decided to bring out the Hulk, and trust that this beast would do the right thing. Hulk was not reckless during the fight like Abom did, and he did spare Abom's life (even though it was at Betty's pleading, it was still a development). At the end, Banner for the first time, decided to control the transformation by regulating his heart rate. So Banner went from completing distrusting Hulk to wanting to control it. I think that counts as a character development.

- Gen. Ross early on wanted to bring the full force of military might against Hulk, even almost risking the life of his daughter. But after Banner was captured, and Abom was unleashed, he actually saw the errors of his way (Betty even reminded him that he "made this"). He even let Banner convinced him that he should try to use Hulk to stop Abom, and he ordered his men not to shoot Hulk after fight was over. For better or worse, he wasn't the same Ross as the beginning of the movie.

- Blosky....well, the ambition to become better than Hulk finally consumed him at the end, so I guess it was just natural progression for his character.
 
You are aware according to everyone involved all Norton rewrote was the first act, and a few minor tweaks through the rest right? Therefore anything in the third act (which was fine, by the way) would have nothing to do with him at all...

Actually, I have read many of the drafts, so I know exactly who wrote what. I know that Norton wrote "You won't like me when I'm hungry." I know that he changes Quartermain to the female character in the movie. I know that Clint Barton used to be on the team sent to track down the HUlk.

I also know that Norton wrote almost nothing in the first act except the "hungry" line. That sequence was boarded, scouted and prepped by the time he came on.

In the earlier drafts, Blonsky changes more slowly, over the course of the second act. When he attacks Banner and Betty at Sterns' lab, Ross tells him to stand down and confronts him. When Blonsky refuses, Ross detonates a fail safe device he had implanted in him to make sure he didn't end up with another HUlk on his hands (that was a good moment, a big surprise and very telling for Ross's character) They think Blonsky's dead, so Ross has an argument with his daughter, then loads Bruce on the copter and flies away.

I forget all the details, but the third act was Blonsky going after Betty as a way to get Ross to give him more of the serum. Banner and Ross are in the helicopter when they hear that the creature is rampaging below. Ross is concerned about his daughter, but won't listen to Bruce, who knows exactly what Blonsky's limits are. Making a choice, Bruce jumps out the helicopter, knowing that Ross will never listen to him. He trusts that the HUlk will do the right thing, but he doesn't even know if the transformation even works.

Abomination is just about to catch up with Betty (whose car chase turned into those soldiers in the humvee we saw in the movie) when the Hulk shows up. There was a big moment where you think he has her cornered and the HUlk shows up to save the day.

I don't know why they changed all this, might have been money.
And I stand by what I said. With the scenes of Bruce trying to kill himself in the opening, the stuff of Betty and Samson trying to convince Bruce to confront himself, not just the HUlk, Banner also had a much deeper arc. It's still in there, pretty subtle some times, but its there. The editing might have hurt it too, but it was mostly the changes Norton made.

I know that goes against the public opionion here that Penn wrote the action and Norton wrote the deep, character stuff, but that's the truth. Norton wrote a lot of good dialogue, which he doesn't get credit for, so I guess it works both ways.

ANyway, I really liked the film, and I can admit that it isn't perfect without saying it sucks. Does any Batman movie have a real character arc? Superman, other than Superman 2?
 
It did feel quite episodic, didn't it? Like it was just another week in the life of Bruce Banner. I guess that was what I liked about it though. Added to the comic book feel (not to say that comic books don't have character development but being monthly they can afford to keep it to a minimum...Somehow it worked here too imo.).
 
The movie starts to fall apart once Banner meets Betty due to cuts and that their scenes are just amazingly boring.

Dude, how old are you? Have you even ever been with a girl?

I think in spite of what some are saying, the chemistry between Bruce and Betty, Norton and Tyler respectively, was superbly moving. The scene where Bruce first sees Betty on campus with Samson breaking his heart, where Betty sees Bruce in Stanley's Restaurant then blacks out on Samson, Bruce hiding behind the dumpster with the pained look on his face and the hotel scene, all had phenomenal and believable performances.
 

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