Homecoming Sony E-mails on wikileaks

Sm/ff/xmen

Spiderman has had more joint time in the comics with the FF than the X-Men, most notably in his silver age appearance in an early FF issue where he tries to join the FF and generally annoys them and gets rebuffed. Ironically decades later he becomes buddies with the Human Torch and joins the FF, now called the Future Foundation (it involves preventing future crime, don’t ask…) replacing him for a bit. There were two mini-series with Spiderman and the FF, he also was part of a new FF that actually had Ghost Rider and Wolverine with him as an entirely new FF, but on the X-Men side he basically just appeared with them in an old video game ARCADE’S REVENGE for Nintendo in the 90’s and had rare drop ins in marvel sagas like Secret Wars and such.
BUT!!!!
This Dec he’s in a proper mini-series with the X-Men where he takes a tutoring job with Professor Xavier’s school for mutants.
There’s clearly precedent in the comic book world for him to team up with either group, just more on the FF side. FF is currently in full reboot mode as you know, but X-MEN is going from DAYS OF FUTURE PAST (a beloved, iconic Xmen saga) to XMEN: APOCALYPSE (another beloved Xmen saga), but they are self-contained and could easily take Spiderman onboard after that and into whatever crossover Fox and Kinberg are planning eventually.
I think fans would be excited because of the “new and different” factor and if the storyline echoed famous ones from marvel (Spidey trying to join, etc) it would get their blessing and support but it also runs the risk of being perceived as “the next best thing” to having him in the Marvel Universe. He’s already got a pivotal place in Civil War, we’d have to make that up for the Fox properties but obviously that’s totally do-able.
 
Cap Civil War

I talked to Stefan and we are on the same page. If we do this, it should be a two picture “crossover” arrangement. They produce Capt America/Avengers with Spider-Man appearing and we own at least 25% of the film under a co-fi arrangement. And marvel character(s) appear in our next Spider-Man movie and they own 25% under a co-fi arrangement.





From: Gumpert, Andrew

Subject: Re:



My view is co fi. The value of 1/2 that is probably at least 100m.



Sliding down the scale. I'd say 10% first dollar gross with video at 100% AND the right to use their character in our movie..



And then all of the access to the empire when we come to marketing our movie... Channels/ theme parks/ standees in stores etc..



This is extremely valuable to them and us and we should be compensated in a big way.



**u also mentioned another character to join the universe. We might tie that in as well and pre obtain the other side's approval to avoid any issues...



Something like that.

______________________
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On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:42 PM, "Pascal, Amy"

I need to know how you guys would quantify
The marvel thin I told you about
Please don't refer to it in titles
 
MakeMinesMarvel said:
Sm/ff/xmen

Spiderman has had more joint time in the comics with the FF than the X-Men, most notably in his silver age appearance in an early FF issue where he tries to join the FF and generally annoys them and gets rebuffed. Ironically decades later he becomes buddies with the Human Torch and joins the FF, now called the Future Foundation (it involves preventing future crime, don’t ask…) replacing him for a bit. There were two mini-series with Spiderman and the FF, he also was part of a new FF that actually had Ghost Rider and Wolverine with him as an entirely new FF, but on the X-Men side he basically just appeared with them in an old video game ARCADE’S REVENGE for Nintendo in the 90’s and had rare drop ins in marvel sagas like Secret Wars and such.
BUT!!!!
This Dec he’s in a proper mini-series with the X-Men where he takes a tutoring job with Professor Xavier’s school for mutants.
There’s clearly precedent in the comic book world for him to team up with either group, just more on the FF side. FF is currently in full reboot mode as you know, but X-MEN is going from DAYS OF FUTURE PAST (a beloved, iconic Xmen saga) to XMEN: APOCALYPSE (another beloved Xmen saga), but they are self-contained and could easily take Spiderman onboard after that and into whatever crossover Fox and Kinberg are planning eventually.
I think fans would be excited because of the “new and different” factor and if the storyline echoed famous ones from marvel (Spidey trying to join, etc) it would get their blessing and support but it also runs the risk of being perceived as “the next best thing” to having him in the Marvel Universe. He’s already got a pivotal place in Civil War, we’d have to make that up for the Fox properties but obviously that’s totally do-able.
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wow so sony tried to cross over with fox at some point?
 
Are there any emails where they talk about replacing Andrew? I'm curious to know how long ago that decision was made and how they came down to it.

I'd look it up myself but I'm not home.
 
LoL

Re: Andrew Garfield/The New York Post
Let’s talk on the phone please
On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Guerin, Jean

> Make a Wish has stirred the pot as they're upset they didn't get their global publicity moment at the Oscars. We are in the middle of this with the Academy, as is Amy. The Academy is refuting this to the Post as I write this. Conversations are continuing, more to follow.
 
Here's the emails about Andrew skipping dinner

From: "Clark, Nigel"
Date: July 14, 2014 6:53:47 PM PDT

To: "Pascal, Amy" <>

Cc: "Blake, Jeff" <

Subject: Andrew Garfield in Rio


Amy,
As requested, here are the relevant emails.
In red, at the very bottom: the email I received on Saturday afternoon, from Steve Bernard informing me that Andrew was not making the red carpet or the Sony gala dinner, and Kay Aoki’s response.

In blue: my email correspondence with Rupert upon receiving the news.
In black (immediately below): an email from Steve Bernard in response to my asking earlier today how Andrew was feeling.

As I mentioned when you called, it may very well be that Andrew met Kaz on the day of the match etc. I’m not aware of that.

Best,
Nigel



Very happy. Mark Wachter took him and Rupert surfing this morning. They are touring the city now.
Sony Music took them out for a late dinner last night.
I asked AG if he minded if I sat Santana next to him at the match. He had a big smile.

All good now

Stevan (Steve) Bernard
Executive Vice President - SEHS
Sony Pictures Entertainment



Rupert,
I'm sure the event was successful, despite Andrew's absence. The last minute change to Kaz's speech and to the seating arrangement was manageable, but it's a slight to Kaz and the Sony hosts on the ground.
Nigel


_____
From: Rupert Fowler
To: Clark, Nigel; Enriquez, Vianne; Knight, Prue
Cc: Aoki, Keiko; Bernard, Stevan; van der Werff, Susan; Blake, Jeff
Sent: Sat Jul 12 16:13:35 2014
Subject: RE: URGENT URGENT: World Cup

&#8203;Hi Nigel,

He had been feeling under the weather all day and exhausted from coming off the plane early this morning so I gave as much notice as I could. Not ideal though I understand, hope it didn't have too great an impact on things.


Rupert


_____
From: Clark, Nigel <>
Sent: 12 July 2014 19:56
To: Rupert Fowler; Enriquez, Vianne; Knight, Prue
Cc: Aoki, Keiko; Bernard, Stevan; van der Werff, Susan; Blake, Jeff
Subject: Re: URGENT URGENT: World Cup

Rupert,
I hear that Andrew decided at the last minute to skip the Sony event and dinner. Is that true? It puts us in an embarrassing situation with Kaz Hirai.
Nigel



That is extremely embarrassing….
But I will tell Kaz and change the seating and his speech!!
Thanks for letting me know.

Kay

From: Bernard, Stevan
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:49 AM
To: Clark, Nigel
Cc: Aoki, Keiko
Subject: AG Problem - PLEASE READ
Importance: High

Nigel/Kay,


Here we are about one hour away from our Gala event and Andrew decides he doesn’t want to attend. He has a rather scruffy beard and he just wants to be left alone
 
Andrew Sinister 6

Garfield/S Six
Weber and Lubin called me to say that Andrew asked them whether S Six is the 3rd ASM movie.
I thought what they might be driving at was that he wants to be paid as if it were ASM3 so I said we didn't really see as the 3rd ASM, it's a stand-alone in which the character is appearing.

But then they seemed to suggest that he wants to know if this would fulfill his obligation under the original ASM deal as the 3rd Spider-man movie.

I think I gave the right answer, but I told them we'd get back to them with some clarity and it feels like the game is on.

Let's all discuss.
 
Here we are about one hour away from our Gala event and Andrew decides he doesn&#8217;t want to attend. He has a rather scruffy beard and he just wants to be left alone
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MakeMinesMarvel said:
Andrew Sinister 6

Garfield/S Six
Weber and Lubin called me to say that Andrew asked them whether S Six is the 3rd ASM movie.
I thought what they might be driving at was that he wants to be paid as if it were ASM3 so I said we didn't really see as the 3rd ASM, it's a stand-alone in which the character is appearing.

But then they seemed to suggest that he wants to know if this would fulfill his obligation under the original ASM deal as the 3rd Spider-man movie.

I think I gave the right answer, but I told them we'd get back to them with some clarity and it feels like the game is on.

Let's all discuss.
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Damn.
 
I :ilv: Kevin Feige

From: "Feige, Kevin" <
Date: September 18, 2012 6:19:42 PM EDT
To: "Fine, Alan" <>, "Cohen, Tom" >
Subject: Re: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script

They are definatley setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. No doubt about it &#8211; I saw the spider bite in Sam Raimi's movie and it was totally different than the Spider bite in ASM. They have rebooted.



In a million years I would not advocate rebooting the Iron Man MCU. To me it's James Bond and we can keep telling new stories for decades even with different actors.



From: <Fine>, Alan Fine
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:50 PM
To: Tom Cohen <
Cc: "Feige, Kevin" <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Yes, and I think that is very dangerous. They are, in effect, obsoleting the first trilogy. They can call it whatever they like, e.g. telling a new saga from the same core elements&#8230;..the end result is that they&#8217;re making a mess of the first trilogy&#8230;.exiling it from the cinematic universe. I think that is very risky thing to do with a movie audience following. Okay for comic books but I wouldn&#8217;t even do it with cartoon animation. Had I known, I would never have approved that strategy. Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing. Question for you both: One day soon we will be rebooting the Iron Man franchise with new actors. In that reboot would you change the events of the first trilogy? E.g. Obadiah becomes a true father figure to Tony, Pepper gets jealous and she becomes the one that gets him thrown out of the company and tries to kill him for walking away from defense contracts? Pepper Potts falls in love with a caucasian Rhodey instead of Tony? It&#8217;s almost like setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. You guys are not seeing this?





From: Fine, Alan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Tom,



First of all, your notes are excellent. In many areas you actually take the works right out of my mouth exactly as I would say them. Well done! Therefore, I am only going to focus on a few over-arching issues, several of which you already mention but deserve further emphasis because I agree that they are so important:



. This story is way too dark, way too depressing. I wanted to burn the draft after I read it never mind thinking about buying the DVD.



. I have a major issue with the overall strategic direction they are taking with the Spider-Man franchise. I think it is, potentially, very dangerous to undermine the significant events of the first Spider-Man trilogy. This new trilogy is, in essence, a prequel to the original trilogy. However, many of the events of this draft attempt to tell a completely different story, e.g., in the original trilogy Norman became the Green Goblin and lost his life in a battle with Peter. He did not die in his bed from a genetic disease. Harry did not become the Green Goblin. He became the Black Goblin and hated Peter for supposedly killing his father. Harry and Peter went to school together, Harry did not go away to Boarding School. In the original trilogy, MJ lived next door to Peter for as long as he could remember. They went to school together. She did not just show up after Peter graduated from High School. Uncle Ben articulated the famous words &#8220;With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility&#8221;, not Peter&#8217;s father. Etc., Etc., I think that it is a mistake to deny the original trilogy it&#8217;s place in the canon of the Spider-Man cinematic universe. What are you telling the audience? That the original trilogy is a mistake, a total false-hood? We lied to you? Just made it up? Why should the audience buy into the world we create now? Will we deny it&#8217;s place in the Spider-Man cinematic universe at the next reboot?



. I was under the impression that one major reason for the reboot was to be able to put Peter back in High School because we could tell better stories in that environment. So, Why do we begin this story with a graduation?



. The chemistry between Emma and Andrew is so good and such a positive that I wonder why it&#8217;s so necessary to kill her off in this movie? Let the relationship flourish and commit the deed in the next movie. Why rush? Their relationship was the best part of the first movie and it&#8217;s the best part of this story. This draft needs to shed some depressing weight any way.



. This story, as did the first movie, feels so formulaic. Everything feels like it&#8217;s been done before, with the exception of the &#8220;girlfriend&#8217;s&#8221; death which I feel is unnecessary and premature anyway. The unsuspecting, innocent, means to do well villain victim who turns into the hunted and hated monster. The girlfriend he desperately wants but can&#8217;t have. Aunt May in financial trouble. Misunderstood and hated by his best friend. The only thing we are really attempting to change is the history of the Spider-Man Cinematic Movie Canon of the original trilogy in order to make this story seem new and interesting. However, I don&#8217;t think it works. I found this draft tedious, boring, and had to force myself to read it through. Just felt like every other Spider-Man movie, cartoon show, comic book story. Same old same old.



. I don&#8217;t buy Electro&#8217;s hate of Spider-Man. Feels manufactured, convenient, undeserved. It&#8217;s part of the whole formulaic issue I mention above. Why do we always have to witness the Spider-Man movie villain be created from scratch and imbue him with all the reasons why he should hate the world and especially Spider-Man? Why can&#8217;t there just be some evil out there already and Spidey is the first and last line of defense? Use some flash backs to prove out the ruthless, blood-lusting, darkness of the beast but don&#8217;t bog down every Spider-Man movie with the complete creation and backstory of the innocent victim that we can&#8217;t even come to fully despise because his evilness ain&#8217;t his fault. In any case, we need to develop some rules around the scope of Electro&#8217;s powers. He seems to be able to do whatever he needs to do when he needs to do it.



. Of course, the overall story is w-a-y too l-o-n-g!



. 3 villains? Give me a break
 
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MakeMinesMarvel said:
I :ilv: Kevin Feige

From: "Feige, Kevin" <
Date: September 18, 2012 6:19:42 PM EDT
To: "Fine, Alan" <>, "Cohen, Tom" >
Subject: Re: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script

They are definatley setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. No doubt about it &#8211; I saw the spider bite in Sam Raimi's movie and it was totally different than the Spider bite in ASM. They have rebooted.



In a million years I would not advocate rebooting the Iron Man MCU. To me it's James Bond and we can keep telling new stories for decades even with different actors.



From: <Fine>, Alan Fine
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:50 PM
To: Tom Cohen <
Cc: "Feige, Kevin" <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Yes, and I think that is very dangerous. They are, in effect, obsoleting the first trilogy. They can call it whatever they like, e.g. telling a new saga from the same core elements&#8230;..the end result is that they&#8217;re making a mess of the first trilogy&#8230;.exiling it from the cinematic universe. I think that is very risky thing to do with a movie audience following. Okay for comic books but I wouldn&#8217;t even do it with cartoon animation. Had I known, I would never have approved that strategy. Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing. Question for you both: One day soon we will be rebooting the Iron Man franchise with new actors. In that reboot would you change the events of the first trilogy? E.g. Obadiah becomes a true father figure to Tony, Pepper gets jealous and she becomes the one that gets him thrown out of the company and tries to kill him for walking away from defense contracts? Pepper Potts falls in love with a caucasian Rhodey instead of Tony? It&#8217;s almost like setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. You guys are not seeing this?





From: Fine, Alan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Tom,



First of all, your notes are excellent. In many areas you actually take the works right out of my mouth exactly as I would say them. Well done! Therefore, I am only going to focus on a few over-arching issues, several of which you already mention but deserve further emphasis because I agree that they are so important:



. This story is way too dark, way too depressing. I wanted to burn the draft after I read it never mind thinking about buying the DVD.



. I have a major issue with the overall strategic direction they are taking with the Spider-Man franchise. I think it is, potentially, very dangerous to undermine the significant events of the first Spider-Man trilogy. This new trilogy is, in essence, a prequel to the original trilogy. However, many of the events of this draft attempt to tell a completely different story, e.g., in the original trilogy Norman became the Green Goblin and lost his life in a battle with Peter. He did not die in his bed from a genetic disease. Harry did not become the Green Goblin. He became the Black Goblin and hated Peter for supposedly killing his father. Harry and Peter went to school together, Harry did not go away to Boarding School. In the original trilogy, MJ lived next door to Peter for as long as he could remember. They went to school together. She did not just show up after Peter graduated from High School. Uncle Ben articulated the famous words &#8220;With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility&#8221;, not Peter&#8217;s father. Etc., Etc., I think that it is a mistake to deny the original trilogy it&#8217;s place in the canon of the Spider-Man cinematic universe. What are you telling the audience? That the original trilogy is a mistake, a total false-hood? We lied to you? Just made it up? Why should the audience buy into the world we create now? Will we deny it&#8217;s place in the Spider-Man cinematic universe at the next reboot?



. I was under the impression that one major reason for the reboot was to be able to put Peter back in High School because we could tell better stories in that environment. So, Why do we begin this story with a graduation?



. The chemistry between Emma and Andrew is so good and such a positive that I wonder why it&#8217;s so necessary to kill her off in this movie? Let the relationship flourish and commit the deed in the next movie. Why rush? Their relationship was the best part of the first movie and it&#8217;s the best part of this story. This draft needs to shed some depressing weight any way.



. This story, as did the first movie, feels so formulaic. Everything feels like it&#8217;s been done before, with the exception of the &#8220;girlfriend&#8217;s&#8221; death which I feel is unnecessary and premature anyway. The unsuspecting, innocent, means to do well villain victim who turns into the hunted and hated monster. The girlfriend he desperately wants but can&#8217;t have. Aunt May in financial trouble. Misunderstood and hated by his best friend. The only thing we are really attempting to change is the history of the Spider-Man Cinematic Movie Canon of the original trilogy in order to make this story seem new and interesting. However, I don&#8217;t think it works. I found this draft tedious, boring, and had to force myself to read it through. Just felt like every other Spider-Man movie, cartoon show, comic book story. Same old same old.



. I don&#8217;t buy Electro&#8217;s hate of Spider-Man. Feels manufactured, convenient, undeserved. It&#8217;s part of the whole formulaic issue I mention above. Why do we always have to witness the Spider-Man movie villain be created from scratch and imbue him with all the reasons why he should hate the world and especially Spider-Man? Why can&#8217;t there just be some evil out there already and Spidey is the first and last line of defense? Use some flash backs to prove out the ruthless, blood-lusting, darkness of the beast but don&#8217;t bog down every Spider-Man movie with the complete creation and backstory of the innocent victim that we can&#8217;t even come to fully despise because his evilness ain&#8217;t his fault. In any case, we need to develop some rules around the scope of Electro&#8217;s powers. He seems to be able to do whatever he needs to do when he needs to do it.



. Of course, the overall story is w-a-y too l-o-n-g!



. 3 villains? Give me a break
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the only thing I took away from this:

"Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing."
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MakeMinesMarvel said:
I :ilv: Kevin Feige

From: "Feige, Kevin" <
Date: September 18, 2012 6:19:42 PM EDT
To: "Fine, Alan" <>, "Cohen, Tom" >
Subject: Re: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script

They are definatley setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. No doubt about it – I saw the spider bite in Sam Raimi's movie and it was totally different than the Spider bite in ASM. They have rebooted.



In a million years I would not advocate rebooting the Iron Man MCU. To me it's James Bond and we can keep telling new stories for decades even with different actors.



From: <Fine>, Alan Fine
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:50 PM
To: Tom Cohen <
Cc: "Feige, Kevin" <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Yes, and I think that is very dangerous. They are, in effect, obsoleting the first trilogy. They can call it whatever they like, e.g. telling a new saga from the same core elements…..the end result is that they’re making a mess of the first trilogy….exiling it from the cinematic universe. I think that is very risky thing to do with a movie audience following. Okay for comic books but I wouldn’t even do it with cartoon animation. Had I known, I would never have approved that strategy. Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing. Question for you both: One day soon we will be rebooting the Iron Man franchise with new actors. In that reboot would you change the events of the first trilogy? E.g. Obadiah becomes a true father figure to Tony, Pepper gets jealous and she becomes the one that gets him thrown out of the company and tries to kill him for walking away from defense contracts? Pepper Potts falls in love with a caucasian Rhodey instead of Tony? It’s almost like setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. You guys are not seeing this?





From: Fine, Alan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Tom,



First of all, your notes are excellent. In many areas you actually take the works right out of my mouth exactly as I would say them. Well done! Therefore, I am only going to focus on a few over-arching issues, several of which you already mention but deserve further emphasis because I agree that they are so important:



. This story is way too dark, way too depressing. I wanted to burn the draft after I read it never mind thinking about buying the DVD.



. I have a major issue with the overall strategic direction they are taking with the Spider-Man franchise. I think it is, potentially, very dangerous to undermine the significant events of the first Spider-Man trilogy. This new trilogy is, in essence, a prequel to the original trilogy. However, many of the events of this draft attempt to tell a completely different story, e.g., in the original trilogy Norman became the Green Goblin and lost his life in a battle with Peter. He did not die in his bed from a genetic disease. Harry did not become the Green Goblin. He became the Black Goblin and hated Peter for supposedly killing his father. Harry and Peter went to school together, Harry did not go away to Boarding School. In the original trilogy, MJ lived next door to Peter for as long as he could remember. They went to school together. She did not just show up after Peter graduated from High School. Uncle Ben articulated the famous words “With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility”, not Peter’s father. Etc., Etc., I think that it is a mistake to deny the original trilogy it’s place in the canon of the Spider-Man cinematic universe. What are you telling the audience? That the original trilogy is a mistake, a total false-hood? We lied to you? Just made it up? Why should the audience buy into the world we create now? Will we deny it’s place in the Spider-Man cinematic universe at the next reboot?



. I was under the impression that one major reason for the reboot was to be able to put Peter back in High School because we could tell better stories in that environment. So, Why do we begin this story with a graduation?



. The chemistry between Emma and Andrew is so good and such a positive that I wonder why it’s so necessary to kill her off in this movie? Let the relationship flourish and commit the deed in the next movie. Why rush? Their relationship was the best part of the first movie and it’s the best part of this story. This draft needs to shed some depressing weight any way.



. This story, as did the first movie, feels so formulaic. Everything feels like it’s been done before, with the exception of the “girlfriend’s” death which I feel is unnecessary and premature anyway. The unsuspecting, innocent, means to do well villain victim who turns into the hunted and hated monster. The girlfriend he desperately wants but can’t have. Aunt May in financial trouble. Misunderstood and hated by his best friend. The only thing we are really attempting to change is the history of the Spider-Man Cinematic Movie Canon of the original trilogy in order to make this story seem new and interesting. However, I don’t think it works. I found this draft tedious, boring, and had to force myself to read it through. Just felt like every other Spider-Man movie, cartoon show, comic book story. Same old same old.



. I don’t buy Electro’s hate of Spider-Man. Feels manufactured, convenient, undeserved. It’s part of the whole formulaic issue I mention above. Why do we always have to witness the Spider-Man movie villain be created from scratch and imbue him with all the reasons why he should hate the world and especially Spider-Man? Why can’t there just be some evil out there already and Spidey is the first and last line of defense? Use some flash backs to prove out the ruthless, blood-lusting, darkness of the beast but don’t bog down every Spider-Man movie with the complete creation and backstory of the innocent victim that we can’t even come to fully despise because his evilness ain’t his fault. In any case, we need to develop some rules around the scope of Electro’s powers. He seems to be able to do whatever he needs to do when he needs to do it.



. Of course, the overall story is w-a-y too l-o-n-g!



. 3 villains? Give me a break
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Wow
 
MakeMinesMarvel said:
I :ilv: Kevin Feige

From: "Feige, Kevin" <
Date: September 18, 2012 6:19:42 PM EDT
To: "Fine, Alan" <>, "Cohen, Tom" >
Subject: Re: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script

They are definatley setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. No doubt about it &#8211; I saw the spider bite in Sam Raimi's movie and it was totally different than the Spider bite in ASM. They have rebooted.



In a million years I would not advocate rebooting the Iron Man MCU. To me it's James Bond and we can keep telling new stories for decades even with different actors.



From: <Fine>, Alan Fine
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:50 PM
To: Tom Cohen <
Cc: "Feige, Kevin" <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Yes, and I think that is very dangerous. They are, in effect, obsoleting the first trilogy. They can call it whatever they like, e.g. telling a new saga from the same core elements&#8230;..the end result is that they&#8217;re making a mess of the first trilogy&#8230;.exiling it from the cinematic universe. I think that is very risky thing to do with a movie audience following. Okay for comic books but I wouldn&#8217;t even do it with cartoon animation. Had I known, I would never have approved that strategy. Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing. Question for you both: One day soon we will be rebooting the Iron Man franchise with new actors. In that reboot would you change the events of the first trilogy? E.g. Obadiah becomes a true father figure to Tony, Pepper gets jealous and she becomes the one that gets him thrown out of the company and tries to kill him for walking away from defense contracts? Pepper Potts falls in love with a caucasian Rhodey instead of Tony? It&#8217;s almost like setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. You guys are not seeing this?





From: Fine, Alan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Tom,



First of all, your notes are excellent. In many areas you actually take the works right out of my mouth exactly as I would say them. Well done! Therefore, I am only going to focus on a few over-arching issues, several of which you already mention but deserve further emphasis because I agree that they are so important:



. This story is way too dark, way too depressing. I wanted to burn the draft after I read it never mind thinking about buying the DVD.



. I have a major issue with the overall strategic direction they are taking with the Spider-Man franchise. I think it is, potentially, very dangerous to undermine the significant events of the first Spider-Man trilogy. This new trilogy is, in essence, a prequel to the original trilogy. However, many of the events of this draft attempt to tell a completely different story, e.g., in the original trilogy Norman became the Green Goblin and lost his life in a battle with Peter. He did not die in his bed from a genetic disease. Harry did not become the Green Goblin. He became the Black Goblin and hated Peter for supposedly killing his father. Harry and Peter went to school together, Harry did not go away to Boarding School. In the original trilogy, MJ lived next door to Peter for as long as he could remember. They went to school together. She did not just show up after Peter graduated from High School. Uncle Ben articulated the famous words &#8220;With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility&#8221;, not Peter&#8217;s father. Etc., Etc., I think that it is a mistake to deny the original trilogy it&#8217;s place in the canon of the Spider-Man cinematic universe. What are you telling the audience? That the original trilogy is a mistake, a total false-hood? We lied to you? Just made it up? Why should the audience buy into the world we create now? Will we deny it&#8217;s place in the Spider-Man cinematic universe at the next reboot?



. I was under the impression that one major reason for the reboot was to be able to put Peter back in High School because we could tell better stories in that environment. So, Why do we begin this story with a graduation?



. The chemistry between Emma and Andrew is so good and such a positive that I wonder why it&#8217;s so necessary to kill her off in this movie? Let the relationship flourish and commit the deed in the next movie. Why rush? Their relationship was the best part of the first movie and it&#8217;s the best part of this story. This draft needs to shed some depressing weight any way.



. This story, as did the first movie, feels so formulaic. Everything feels like it&#8217;s been done before, with the exception of the &#8220;girlfriend&#8217;s&#8221; death which I feel is unnecessary and premature anyway. The unsuspecting, innocent, means to do well villain victim who turns into the hunted and hated monster. The girlfriend he desperately wants but can&#8217;t have. Aunt May in financial trouble. Misunderstood and hated by his best friend. The only thing we are really attempting to change is the history of the Spider-Man Cinematic Movie Canon of the original trilogy in order to make this story seem new and interesting. However, I don&#8217;t think it works. I found this draft tedious, boring, and had to force myself to read it through. Just felt like every other Spider-Man movie, cartoon show, comic book story. Same old same old.



. I don&#8217;t buy Electro&#8217;s hate of Spider-Man. Feels manufactured, convenient, undeserved. It&#8217;s part of the whole formulaic issue I mention above. Why do we always have to witness the Spider-Man movie villain be created from scratch and imbue him with all the reasons why he should hate the world and especially Spider-Man? Why can&#8217;t there just be some evil out there already and Spidey is the first and last line of defense? Use some flash backs to prove out the ruthless, blood-lusting, darkness of the beast but don&#8217;t bog down every Spider-Man movie with the complete creation and backstory of the innocent victim that we can&#8217;t even come to fully despise because his evilness ain&#8217;t his fault. In any case, we need to develop some rules around the scope of Electro&#8217;s powers. He seems to be able to do whatever he needs to do when he needs to do it.



. Of course, the overall story is w-a-y too l-o-n-g!



. 3 villains? Give me a break
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Makes me wonder if Marvel Studios obtained the rights in 2008, would we have not seen Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Venom, and Harry-Goblin just because Raimi's trilogy did it? That's essentially the argument they're all making, lol.
 
Definitely seems that Sony doesnt know what theyre doing and come across as amateurish
 
I was at a baby shower so I'm just catching up on all the emails. Won't repeat what Mike already said perfectly... we are ready to make the tough decisions to have the right team and to hold everyone accountable (including ourselves). During this time of transition we have to continue to re-examine how we do everything. We're all in. We want to win.

From: DeLuca, MichaelSent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:30 PMTo: Pascal, AmyCc: Belgrad, Doug; Minghella, HannahSubject: Re: I am very frustrated about the sinister six situation
Completely agree! We r doing it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:25 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Okay really the last email
>
> This is the way i see things
> I am specific
> And most of my career that worked for me
> From my vantage point people do better when they
> Go deep not generalize
> Not everyone is assume at every kind of movie and REALATIONSHIP
> Anyway I know I'm not
> So to me you guys are best served by people who specialize in the different things we need
> Put you team together
>
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:12 PM, "DeLuca, Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Totally understand
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:06 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not saying executives can only do one kind of movie
>>> They should be allowed to make all kinds of movies but
>>> Everyone has to be held accountable for something specific. I am being held accountable for fixing the motion picture group. I try and help with tv guys but not much. I used to help more with japan and do a lot more meetings with michael. The new building design, larger corporate matters....interviewing replacements for jobs only preriferally to do with mp ( there is a lot of that coming up) most board meetings and mrp meetings and larger investments and asset sales . Not anymore. This is it.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what else I wanna do....this is how i am being judged and compensated .That is how everyone has to feel now and the confines should feel liberating
>>>
>>> I don't need to share all this but I want to so u know we are in this together....and I'm am betting it all on this working
>>>
>>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "DeLuca, Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way, and I hate to say this in an email, what you're describing is the perfect job for the guy we like at you know where, rothmans protege
>>>>
>>>> This carrot could mean a lot
>>>>
>>>> This line of thinking extends to everything, I noticed universal picked up an available book of three novellas from the Fault in our Stars author. Why didn't someone on our staff make it an automatic thing after the success of that movie to immediately see what else the author had. That **** has to become automatic with the group. Hannah and I will address
>>>>
>>>> Unless we say the book and passed in which case I say mea culpa!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:48 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah
>>>>> Let's have a big meeting about all of this and put Rachel in charge of being to keeper if all information and brain storming and our strategy and making sure we know all writers Ect
>>>>> But I feel better already
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:27 PM, "DeLuca, Michael" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marvel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feige has had a three phase approach to the library, phase 1 was launching Iron Man, captain America and they tried Hulk in advance of the Avengers film, which in turn set up the cosmic aspects of phase 2, leading to Guardians of the Galaxy which will tie into avengers 2 and cap 3. Phase 3 begins with lesser character Ant Man. The emphasis for Feige has been the use of the connective tissue of the marvel universe, using the well known to connect to and set up the lesser known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a brilliant plan and could go on forever. The universe has thousands of characters and stories at its disposal. Key writing talent like Marcus and Mcfeeley, drew Pearce, joss whedon, James gunn and even Shane Black have been instrumental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are literally stalking all that writing talent for their post marvel life. That is something we have literally implemented so rest easy on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC Comics/wb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are using the new superman to intro the justice league and then hope to do one off movies after justice league, sort of the reverse of Marvel. They don't have a Feige, they sort of have Nolan and Goyer and Zack Snyder. Plus the dc characters are corny and it remains to be seen how this all works out. Ayers suicide squad is dc's version of sinister six so we shouldn't dilly dally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Star Wars:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any studio would have lost josh trank and rian Johnson to this, it's freaking Star Wars. Your After Earth writer Gary Whitta is writing Gareth Edwards stand alone Star Wars film. Simon Kinberg is writing Josh Tranks. No one knows what they're about but Boba Fett is rumored to be the subject of one. Rian Johnson as you know is doing the main ones, episodes 8 and 9 of the Luke and Leia story lines, after JJ. Not sure anything is gained by looking at what Lucasfilm is doing except we are stalking all these people too, except Whitta whom I think blows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no way to compete with the lure of Star Wars for these guys. It's like Bond for some people. By the way, if Sony were able to offer Bond to a broad swath of exciting new genre guys like Trank and Rian on a regular basis it would help us catch and retain this talent but I hear that's tough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for us, we are competing in this arena in two ways:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are trying to expand the IP at our disposal with plans for Ghostbusters and Bloodshot, and secondly Hannah and I have steered the majority of recent development activity into tent pole candidates like captain nemo, gray man, masters of the universe rewrite, royal honor society rewrite, etc. that is all besides what your are doing with the Spider-man universe, which needs a bible and a strategic plan for expanding like feiges marvel phase plan, you can do that right now it just needs an architect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to stay in business with Chris and Phil, and the Russos, we need to create homes here for Edgar Wright, James Gunn, Bay, Del Toro, Rupert Wyatt, Neil Blomkamp, Peter Jackson, and catch all the new guys. We are totally big game hunting, that's happening right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We track all the genre writers from the marvel lab, the fox lab, the writers we like who write tent pole genre candidates, and directors who seem suited to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our strategy has been, since we don't own a lot of IP, to get to the source of original material ahead of anyone else, the writers or writer directors that are generating new ideas. On the IP we do own, the strategy has been expansion, with a plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are investigating even tying Singularity into Bloodshot so we can do it all. But Bond and spidey are both big calling cards and properly positioned could keep our kids down on our farm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:27 PM, "Pascal, Amy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a frustrating week
>>>>>>> In terms of the whole sinister six thing in addition to 100 other things
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But instead if being angry I have an idea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it is what I wanted you Rachel to be in charge of when we spoke about the whole spideman world thing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are not operating with he kind of information we need and in this world it is gonna put us behind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't have less assets
>>>>>>> Less money and do less homework
>>>>>>> We will fail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is what we always need to know starting yesterday
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What comic book
>>>>>>> Movies are being made at every single studio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When they are starting
>>>>>>> Who is in them
>>>>>>> Who is directing them
>>>>>>> What actors are they looking at
>>>>>>> What is the pholopsy behind them at dc marvel fox Star Wars Star Trek
>>>>>>> What are the release dates people are planning on secretly and publicly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are the writers writing these movies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who recently turned in good and bad scripts that are slowing down or speeding up the process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are the writers who should or could be be writing these movies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are the directors who are doing rhese movies and who are the new ones to recruit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have lost josh Trank Rian johnson Scott dereckson David Ayer to other studios all directors I personally invested in
>>>>>>> Talking to and it really angers me that we didn't land any of them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is happening with all the universe building everywhere else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is our plan?
>>>>>>> How is it different from other studios?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are the actors on the horizon who are fantastic ? Meet with them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meet with the directors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meet with the writers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can image works help us ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did we let Jerome go to do a dc movie with David Ayer in competiton with as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would nt someone have put the pieces together
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why a other comic books graphic novels are out there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is our relationship to the powers that sony play station is doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What happened with the boys is it time to take a orbiter look at that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is thinking about this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are he amazing story board artists visual effects supervisors
>>>>>>> Visual effects houses who are doing new things that can help us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a huge issue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It needs to get solved now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my Sony Xperia Z2

wow, they called DC characters corny and basically admitted that Ayer's Suicide Squad is similar to sinister six and should be seen as a threat

so glad they made the deal with marvel, the smartest thing these buffoons have ever made
 
MakeMinesMarvel said:
I :ilv: Kevin Feige

From: "Feige, Kevin" <
Date: September 18, 2012 6:19:42 PM EDT
To: "Fine, Alan" <>, "Cohen, Tom" >
Subject: Re: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script

They are definatley setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. No doubt about it – I saw the spider bite in Sam Raimi's movie and it was totally different than the Spider bite in ASM. They have rebooted.



In a million years I would not advocate rebooting the Iron Man MCU. To me it's James Bond and we can keep telling new stories for decades even with different actors.



From: <Fine>, Alan Fine
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:50 PM
To: Tom Cohen <
Cc: "Feige, Kevin" <>
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Yes, and I think that is very dangerous. They are, in effect, obsoleting the first trilogy. They can call it whatever they like, e.g. telling a new saga from the same core elements…..the end result is that they’re making a mess of the first trilogy….exiling it from the cinematic universe. I think that is very risky thing to do with a movie audience following. Okay for comic books but I wouldn’t even do it with cartoon animation. Had I known, I would never have approved that strategy. Avi is totally nuts. More confirmation to me that he never knew what he was doing. Question for you both: One day soon we will be rebooting the Iron Man franchise with new actors. In that reboot would you change the events of the first trilogy? E.g. Obadiah becomes a true father figure to Tony, Pepper gets jealous and she becomes the one that gets him thrown out of the company and tries to kill him for walking away from defense contracts? Pepper Potts falls in love with a caucasian Rhodey instead of Tony? It’s almost like setting up an alternate universe to the first trilogy. You guys are not seeing this?





From: Fine, Alan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: Cohen, Tom
Subject: RE: Amazing Spider-Man 2 script



Tom,



First of all, your notes are excellent. In many areas you actually take the works right out of my mouth exactly as I would say them. Well done! Therefore, I am only going to focus on a few over-arching issues, several of which you already mention but deserve further emphasis because I agree that they are so important:



. This story is way too dark, way too depressing. I wanted to burn the draft after I read it never mind thinking about buying the DVD.



. I have a major issue with the overall strategic direction they are taking with the Spider-Man franchise. I think it is, potentially, very dangerous to undermine the significant events of the first Spider-Man trilogy. This new trilogy is, in essence, a prequel to the original trilogy. However, many of the events of this draft attempt to tell a completely different story, e.g., in the original trilogy Norman became the Green Goblin and lost his life in a battle with Peter. He did not die in his bed from a genetic disease. Harry did not become the Green Goblin. He became the Black Goblin and hated Peter for supposedly killing his father. Harry and Peter went to school together, Harry did not go away to Boarding School. In the original trilogy, MJ lived next door to Peter for as long as he could remember. They went to school together. She did not just show up after Peter graduated from High School. Uncle Ben articulated the famous words “With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility”, not Peter’s father. Etc., Etc., I think that it is a mistake to deny the original trilogy it’s place in the canon of the Spider-Man cinematic universe. What are you telling the audience? That the original trilogy is a mistake, a total false-hood? We lied to you? Just made it up? Why should the audience buy into the world we create now? Will we deny it’s place in the Spider-Man cinematic universe at the next reboot?



. I was under the impression that one major reason for the reboot was to be able to put Peter back in High School because we could tell better stories in that environment. So, Why do we begin this story with a graduation?



. The chemistry between Emma and Andrew is so good and such a positive that I wonder why it’s so necessary to kill her off in this movie? Let the relationship flourish and commit the deed in the next movie. Why rush? Their relationship was the best part of the first movie and it’s the best part of this story. This draft needs to shed some depressing weight any way.



. This story, as did the first movie, feels so formulaic. Everything feels like it’s been done before, with the exception of the “girlfriend’s” death which I feel is unnecessary and premature anyway. The unsuspecting, innocent, means to do well villain victim who turns into the hunted and hated monster. The girlfriend he desperately wants but can’t have. Aunt May in financial trouble. Misunderstood and hated by his best friend. The only thing we are really attempting to change is the history of the Spider-Man Cinematic Movie Canon of the original trilogy in order to make this story seem new and interesting. However, I don’t think it works. I found this draft tedious, boring, and had to force myself to read it through. Just felt like every other Spider-Man movie, cartoon show, comic book story. Same old same old.



. I don’t buy Electro’s hate of Spider-Man. Feels manufactured, convenient, undeserved. It’s part of the whole formulaic issue I mention above. Why do we always have to witness the Spider-Man movie villain be created from scratch and imbue him with all the reasons why he should hate the world and especially Spider-Man? Why can’t there just be some evil out there already and Spidey is the first and last line of defense? Use some flash backs to prove out the ruthless, blood-lusting, darkness of the beast but don’t bog down every Spider-Man movie with the complete creation and backstory of the innocent victim that we can’t even come to fully despise because his evilness ain’t his fault. In any case, we need to develop some rules around the scope of Electro’s powers. He seems to be able to do whatever he needs to do when he needs to do it.



. Of course, the overall story is w-a-y too l-o-n-g!



. 3 villains? Give me a break
Click to expand...

Spot on! This gives me no doubt the MCU Spider-Man will deliver
 
This'll last us until the new Spider-Man is cast there's so much information!
 
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