Homecoming Sony E-mails on wikileaks

[CaptainWagner]

the only thing I took away from this:

That's priceless!

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

They got their ideas from fan sites smh

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Re: 11 Criminally Underused Lady Villains The Amazing Spider-Man Is Wasting
i also really like kraven's daughter. (she looks like jen lawrence, which doesn't hurt.) but she has great reason to hate spiderman, and she's…well, badass.

scream probably has to wait til after venom…
cold heart makes me smile. she hates superheroes. kind of like THE BOYS…

On Apr 18, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Drew Goddard wrote:

> It's like they're reading our minds!

Re: 11 Criminally Underused Lady Villains The Amazing Spider-Man Is Wasting
It's like they're reading our minds!

I've always found Shriek interesting -- there's definitely something there. I was actually gonna bring her up last night, but then we got sidetracked with that Black Cat angle (which I LOVE.) And female Kraven might be be the way to make that character work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, "Pascal, Amy" <> wrote:
>
> Wow
> http://www.hitfix.com/news/11-criminally-underused-lady-villains-the-amazing-spider-man-is-wasting

 

[Chip Chipperson]

they were gonna do Spider-Man 2099?

oh man, this is hysterical.

 

[Shanio1]

I really don't understand how people wanted sony to continue on their destructive path

 

[RivenSky]

Reading all these emails...

 

[PeterBenParker]

Sony was going to kill the super hero genre

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Dear Dwight and David,
So I have been doing a lot of thinking... over the past weeks we have seen both Marvel (who have a tight plan) and DC/WB (who look like they might finally be getting their **** together) make huge announcements for the future of their slates and franchises. On the other hand, we have been assailed by rumour after rumour of bizarre spin-offs (Aunt May) or that Spidey is going to be sold or loaned back to Marvel. What we need is a solid plan for the future. Clearly laid out for the next five years at least that shows the fanship and the public that Spidey is still in safe hands. I also believe that this studio needs a dedicated Spider Division that runs as a studio within the studio. Marvel and DC Entertainment are successful because there are dedicated resources and teams that just focus on these properties. We need that here.On that note, here are my ideas for the future of the franchise. These are just rough outlines but I think could be a good start to the path to success. I thank you in advance for humouring me by listening to me. Looking forward to your thoughts...

PROPOSED ROLL OUT OF FUTURE FILMS:

Amazing Spider-man: Kraven (in Sinister 6 slot in 2016) - in a never before move we do a prequel to ASM2, Gwen is still alive. Norman is still alive but increasingly getting sicker. He has seen and heard of Spider-man/Peter Parker (following the events of ASM1) and having seen that he was wounded by the police shooter has hired a Russian big game hunter, Kraven, to track him down and bring him in. Norman believes that in Peter's blood is the key to cure him. Kraven ultimately captures Peter/Spidey and supplies Norman with vials of his blood. Norman, in an attempt to synthesize a cure, actually ends up becoming the original Goblin and transforms like the Ultimate version. Spidey and Gobby battle it out with Gobby running away weak and which leads us to the frail state that we see Norman in ASM2.
Sinister 6 - move to first half 2017
Spider-man 2099 (2nd half 2017)- this is our Captain America-type franchise. Instead of a period WWII film, we have a futuristic New York in the year 2099. Miguel O'Hara origin story (heads up genetics department at Alchemax and becomes Spider-man). He is up against the evil conglomerate Alchemax and trying to battle either Morlun (who will chase him through time to devour him) or Kron Stone (Venom 2099). In the end the villain is defeated while battling at Alchemax and Miguel/S2099 ends up being sent back in time to present day NYC. This leads into a team up with 616-Spidey to take down Carnage (Payoff level event)
ASM: Venom (first half 2018) - Eddie Brock Jr "ultimate" origin story but with some 616 details. In the end Spidey defeats Venom and sends him to Ryker's. Coda shows the birth of Carnage
ASM: Black Cat (second half 2018) - Felicia Hardy gets properly introduced. We see her get her "luck powers" from Wilson Fisk/Kingpin. Eventually she has an encounter with Spidey and it ends with an understanding that she is not the bad person she appears to be.
Carnage (2019) - the event that everyone has been wanting. Cletus Kasady makes his debut and it will take a team-up like no other to take him down. Peter/Spidey, Miguel/Spider-man 2099, Venom and Black Cat join forces to bring him to justice. This would be a hard PG-13 with the possibility of an unrated bloodier version for home entertainment.
ASM: Jackal (second half 2019) - Dr Miles Warren had fallen in love with Gwen when she interned at Oscorp. When she died he blamed Spidey for her death and vowed vengeance. He attempts to clone her but fails. Instead using the blood and tissue samples that Norman had Kraven acquire he creates two low-grade clones of Peter, one who will eventually Ben Reilly and the other Kaine. He uses these to clones to unleash chaos on the city and not until Spidey defeats them and figures out that they are the same can the bring down Jackal. Here we see the birth of Scarlet Spider.
Spider-man 2099 2 (first half of 2020) - Miguel is stuck in the present day but is trying to get back to 2099. However he must keep Tiberius Stone (his future grandfather) alive or his whole existence will cease. S2099 encounters Mac Gargan, Scorpion and they battle it out. But will Miguel get back to his time...
Thanks again for hearing me out. And I have plenty more where this came from.
Sincerely,Juan

What is it with them and Venom and Carnage?!

I mean, yeah definitely use Kraven and 2099 Spidey would be great, but this is just more signs of throwing ideas and hoping they stick.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

all of this would've been a complete disaster

feige saved us from the darkest timeline

 

[spider-neil]

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>> One villain
>> Scarey not cg
>> Less costumes
>> Less cg
>> Less extravazenza
>> No love story
>> No aunt may
>> Very simple
>> Great action
>> Peter funnier
>> Bring back Jonah Jamison

Yes!!

 

[Spidey_62]

This is some good stuff, guys. It's nice to read when somebody like Feige gets it but it's both sad and equally intriguing at the same time seeing what the other side was throwing around.

Interesting they were tossing around the idea of using Gog so much. That's really scraping at the bottom of the barrel. I don't think you need to use crazy interdimensional giant alien animal Spidey villain from the 70s for Sinister Six. He did join the Sinister Six once- in the Revenge of The Sinister Six in the 90s.

But why try treading that huge and hard to nail down territory when you're struggling to nail anything at all? Marvel Studios eased in to the cosmic side and steeper slopes like that gradually, gaining trust to do those things in an exciting way.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Lol while we have heated debates this is what they were doing

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Re: Which Spider-Man Villain Are You?
Crap. I got Carnage. That is NOT who I wanted.

(I wanted Black Cat.)

On May 1, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Pascal, Amy <> wrote:


xxxxxx
Begin forwarded message:


From: Anthony Weinraub <>

Date: May 1, 2014 3:20:36 PM PDT

To: "Pascal, Amy" <

Subject: Which Spider-Man Villain Are You?
I'm Lizard! Also, my science teacher said she was really excited to see the movie, and she bought tickets for tomorrow!

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I need Daltonio's thoughts on all of this

 

[PeterBenParker]

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I've always found Shriek interesting -- there's definitely something there. I was actually gonna bring her up last night, but then we got sidetracked with that Black Cat angle (which I LOVE.) And female Kraven might be be the way to make that character work.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

The funny thing is this is just the Spider-Man emails I don't even wanna look up the other convoys they must've had

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

My god these people are idiots!

 

[PeterBenParker]

Couldn't find anything on Miles.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Marc Webb

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Marc Webb



David Kopple and Webb's lawyer, Jamie Feldman, phoned to say they understand that we're putting a pin in the ASM3 negotiation (and even that ASM3 may push), but that Webb needs some thing during this interim period.


-- office and assistant here in LA. (On this one AG and I had discussed and I confirmed with Matt and Avi their acknowledgment that the costs will hit the ASM3 budget);


-- an additional assistant in NY (because he's bi-coastal...)

-- tickets for him to travel back and forth when he determines he's needed locally in LA (not an allowance with a cap -- I asked);


-- plus an EP deal for each Spidey Universe project that he doesn't direct. He asked for $500k in cash, plus a backend that's more aggressive than what we've done for the others. But if this is something that you are willing to do then we'd just give him the same as we're giving Drew.


Let me know which of these we're ok with (assuming office and one assistant is fine), and I'll get back to them.

Mm

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Couldn't find anything on Miles.

All sony wouldve needed were those idiots on tumblr pushing for miles (not even knowing or caring about the character) to give him the greenlight

 

[harryoscop]

Feigue, thank you for saving us from this disaster.

So many terrible ideas and proposals.

 

[PeterBenParker]

All sony wouldve needed were those idiots on tumblr pushing for miles (not even knowing or caring about the character) to give him the greenlight

 

[PeterBenParker]

Funny how they mentioned Death of Spider-Man and Superior Spider-Man, too.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

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Marc webb
Hi there,
Marc was completely taken out of context in his speech.
He only said loving and amazing things about you and the movie.
Dealing with Claudia Eller now to kill this as are jean and Andre.
Marc pissed and apologetic.
Will report back
Simon


Sent from my iPhone

 

[CaptainWagner]

Sony was going to kill the super hero genre

Spoiler

Dear Dwight and David,
So I have been doing a lot of thinking... over the past weeks we have seen both Marvel (who have a tight plan) and DC/WB (who look like they might finally be getting their **** together) make huge announcements for the future of their slates and franchises. On the other hand, we have been assailed by rumour after rumour of bizarre spin-offs (Aunt May) or that Spidey is going to be sold or loaned back to Marvel. What we need is a solid plan for the future. Clearly laid out for the next five years at least that shows the fanship and the public that Spidey is still in safe hands. I also believe that this studio needs a dedicated Spider Division that runs as a studio within the studio. Marvel and DC Entertainment are successful because there are dedicated resources and teams that just focus on these properties. We need that here.On that note, here are my ideas for the future of the franchise. These are just rough outlines but I think could be a good start to the path to success. I thank you in advance for humouring me by listening to me. Looking forward to your thoughts...

PROPOSED ROLL OUT OF FUTURE FILMS:

Amazing Spider-man: Kraven (in Sinister 6 slot in 2016) - in a never before move we do a prequel to ASM2, Gwen is still alive. Norman is still alive but increasingly getting sicker. He has seen and heard of Spider-man/Peter Parker (following the events of ASM1) and having seen that he was wounded by the police shooter has hired a Russian big game hunter, Kraven, to track him down and bring him in. Norman believes that in Peter's blood is the key to cure him. Kraven ultimately captures Peter/Spidey and supplies Norman with vials of his blood. Norman, in an attempt to synthesize a cure, actually ends up becoming the original Goblin and transforms like the Ultimate version. Spidey and Gobby battle it out with Gobby running away weak and which leads us to the frail state that we see Norman in ASM2.
Sinister 6 - move to first half 2017
Spider-man 2099 (2nd half 2017)- this is our Captain America-type franchise. Instead of a period WWII film, we have a futuristic New York in the year 2099. Miguel O'Hara origin story (heads up genetics department at Alchemax and becomes Spider-man). He is up against the evil conglomerate Alchemax and trying to battle either Morlun (who will chase him through time to devour him) or Kron Stone (Venom 2099). In the end the villain is defeated while battling at Alchemax and Miguel/S2099 ends up being sent back in time to present day NYC. This leads into a team up with 616-Spidey to take down Carnage (Payoff level event)
ASM: Venom (first half 2018) - Eddie Brock Jr "ultimate" origin story but with some 616 details. In the end Spidey defeats Venom and sends him to Ryker's. Coda shows the birth of Carnage
ASM: Black Cat (second half 2018) - Felicia Hardy gets properly introduced. We see her get her "luck powers" from Wilson Fisk/Kingpin. Eventually she has an encounter with Spidey and it ends with an understanding that she is not the bad person she appears to be.
Carnage (2019) - the event that everyone has been wanting. Cletus Kasady makes his debut and it will take a team-up like no other to take him down. Peter/Spidey, Miguel/Spider-man 2099, Venom and Black Cat join forces to bring him to justice. This would be a hard PG-13 with the possibility of an unrated bloodier version for home entertainment.
ASM: Jackal (second half 2019) - Dr Miles Warren had fallen in love with Gwen when she interned at Oscorp. When she died he blamed Spidey for her death and vowed vengeance. He attempts to clone her but fails. Instead using the blood and tissue samples that Norman had Kraven acquire he creates two low-grade clones of Peter, one who will eventually Ben Reilly and the other Kaine. He uses these to clones to unleash chaos on the city and not until Spidey defeats them and figures out that they are the same can the bring down Jackal. Here we see the birth of Scarlet Spider.
Spider-man 2099 2 (first half of 2020) - Miguel is stuck in the present day but is trying to get back to 2099. However he must keep Tiberius Stone (his future grandfather) alive or his whole existence will cease. S2099 encounters Mac Gargan, Scorpion and they battle it out. But will Miguel get back to his time...
Thanks again for hearing me out. And I have plenty more where this came from.
Sincerely,Juan

I love that they planned to do Miguel, which sadly may never happen in the MCU. But by George, looking at everything else, what were these people smoking?

Spoiler

>> One villain
>> Scarey not cg
>> Less costumes
>> Less cg
>> Less extravazenza
>> No love story
>> No aunt may
>> Very simple
>> Great action
>> Peter funnier
>> Bring back Jonah Jamison

Is this supposed to be what Marvel wants? If so, most of it looks good but no Aunt May and no romance? Those are two of the biggest parts of the Spiderman mythos!

 

[PeterBenParker]

Is this supposed to be what Marvel wants? If so, most of it looks good but no Aunt May and no romance? Those are two of the biggest parts of the Spiderman mythos!

This was what Sony was proposing for either the next entry in TASM franchise or a reboot/soft-reboot.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

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Re: Drew Goddard - Daredevil 04 11 14
Can you ask Ike if there's any way for us to help.
If it's a 250k issue why don't we just find a way to pay him a bonus at some low box office level.


On Apr 11, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Pascal, Amy wrote:





Begin forwarded message:

From: IP <>
Date: April 11, 2014 at 10:25:39 PM GMT+2
To: "Pascal, Amy" <m>
Subject: Drew Goddard - Daredevil 04 11 14

Amy,



Since we spoke on Wednesday, the problem we are having with Drew Goddard is getting even worse.



As you can see from the e-mail below, he is not negotiating and is leaving us no choice but to fight with him.



We should both be very concerned about this situation.



Best,



Ike



From: Loeb, Jeph
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:38 PM
To: IP
Cc: Buckley, Dan; Loeb, Jeph
Subject: Drew Goddard - Daredevil 04 11 14
Importance: High



Ike:

Drew Goddard's agent and lawyer called David Galluzzi this morning.

They rejected our proposal and did not counter.

They told David that they will be advising their client not to show up to work on Monday as well as not
provide Tier One services.

It looks like they are giving us no choice but to litigate this matter.

Please advise,

Jeph



**********************

 

[spider-neil]

I love that they planned to do Miguel, which sadly may never happen in the MCU. But by George, looking at everything else, what were these people smoking?

Is this supposed to be what Marvel wants? If so, most of it looks good but no Aunt May and no romance? Those are two of the biggest parts of the Spiderman mythos!

And it's been done to death. Time for something new and fresh.
I think the person who comes out with the most credit is Alan Fine who is 100% spot on with all of his comments.