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Speaking in tongues.

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When I was the religious type I was told I would get this gift after baptism. Never hit,not while in church during sermons. I ran into a Muslim at the roller rink (I used to be such a good girl
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) he stated that that's not the holy ghost/spirit, it's satan. The holy ghost would never carry itself in such a manner.
So those that are religious have you ever experienced such,speaking in tongues? How does that come about? How does it feel? I always thought it was just so curious and I thought there was something wrong with me because I couldn't seem to receive it.

Although now and again I'll speak in tongues but it just comes out of the blue,at work mostly. :O





*I am so not myself today. :csad:
 
i speak english, romanian, a little french and i can say "want to come back to my place" in japanese and german those are all tongues :D
 
well, the reason he says its from satan is because he is of a different religion, ergo his views differ. But ask any christian, and they'll all give you the same basic explanaiton of what speaking in tongues is all about, which is, if i'm not mistaken is the Holy Spirit speaking through you and you are to know if it is legit or not if another person verbally interperts what you said. I used to go to a church where an older woman used to visit and she spoke in tongues almost every visit and thats how it went with her.
 
One of my friends went to a pentecostal church and recited the opening to Beowulf in olde english.

The entire congregation started shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the lord". It was pretty funny.
 
Well, for the record, I have experienced speaking in tongues. I was filled with Holy Spirits























i.e. tequila
 
One of my friends went to a pentecostal church and recited the opening to Beowulf in olde english.

The entire congregation started shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the lord". It was pretty funny.


must try that sometimes
 
One of my friends went to a pentecostal church and recited the opening to Beowulf in olde english.

The entire congregation started shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the lord". It was pretty funny.

How did you hold in the laughter? :woot:
 
How did you hold in the laughter? :woot:

I didn't.

But then someone near me, stood up and pointed at me and said "This man has the spirit of laughter" and then the "halleujahs" and "praise the lord" started up again.

I was in tears.

:woot:
 
I didn't.

But then someone near me, stood up and pointed at me and said "This man has the spirit of laughter" and then the "halleujahs" and "praise the lord" started up again.

I was in tears.

:woot:

Lol,too funny. :woot:
 
I didn't.

But then someone near me, stood up and pointed at me and said "This man has the spirit of laughter" and then the "halleujahs" and "praise the lord" started up again.

I was in tears.

:woot:
the spirit of laughter? never heard of such a mistic wonder of magicky magic
 
the spirit of laughter? never heard of such a mistic wonder of magicky magic

Then it turned for the worse when they had an altar call, and some people came up and the dude started touching people and they fall over, while the elders are running from the back with blankets to put over the people who fell down.


The minister was making every sin into a spirit- the spirit of divorce, the spirit of adultery. Some old crone started pushing this one kid forward, while the minister was saying he felt that someone had the "spirit of suicide".

I leaned over and told my buddy "I think the minister has been doing that spirit of jack daniels way too much"
 
When I was the religious type I was told I would get this gift after baptism. Never hit,not while in church during sermons. I ran into a Muslim at the roller rink (I used to be such a good girl
batting.gif
) he stated that that's not the holy ghost/spirit, it's satan. The holy ghost would never carry itself in such a manner.
So those that are religious have you ever experienced such,speaking in tongues? How does that come about? How does it feel? I always thought it was just so curious and I thought there was something wrong with me because I couldn't seem to receive it.

Although now and again I'll speak in tongues but it just comes out of the blue,at work mostly. :O

First of all, why would you ask a Muslim about a Christian matter? Why didn't you research some Christian teachers? Hank Hanegraaf, John MacArthur or Norman Geisler could really help.

Here's something I hope will help explain why certain things "didn't" happen. :yay: It's kind of long. but read thru it....:up:
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SILENCE IS
GOLDEN
“….But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away”
1 Corinthians 13:8 NIV

To some Christians, silence is definitely “golden” when it comes to the subject of tongues. Today, many well- meaning believers regard tongues with contempt or as unbiblical , nonexistent or cultic. But, it’s really not hard to understand why, when the misuse and abuse of this precious gift has become so common. Some would throw the baby out with the bath water rather than endure the abuse of tongues “out of control”. But does this mean that tongues ceased centuries ago? They can certainly be counterfeited[1]. So, since it can be fabricated, does this mean that none of them are genuine? Should every Christian speak in tongues? If not, are these Christians saved? All of these questions are up for debate except for one. Hopefully, we can biblically answer these and more, as we go. We will see how some “so called “ secondary issues like this can lead believers into error where essentials are concerned. Are you ready? Let’s go……
BAD PRIORITIZING

This phenomenon is first recorded in the book of Acts. However, its plan and purpose is clearly defined by Paul in First Corinthians 14. As a matter of fact tongues is the only spiritual gift to which Paul devotes an entire chapter. This was no doubt because of the carnality at Corinth and the misuse and abuse of this gift even in that day. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? To this very day, our inclination to gravitate to
miraculous signs is still strong. That is why Paul (as directed by the Spirit) lists the gifts of the Spirit in the order of importance to the body of Christ (First Corinthians 12:28). Notice that tongues is at the bottom of the list. He wanted them to be clear in their own minds which gifts were best and to earnestly seek after them (v 31).
TWO OF A KIND


The gift of tongues has been identified in two categories in scripture. The book of Acts and 1 Corinthians show record of these. Some would say that the tongues in both books are identical. But, there is more biblical evidence to the contrary. There are “known” tongues and “unknown” tongues. In Acts 2:5-6 it says, “Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard the sound (the tongues), a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them (the Apostles) speaking in his own language” NIV. These tongues were obviously known to the foreign travelers on that day. The apostles never had formal training in this type of communication. Also the observers reference to the apostles being from Galilee (v.7) fueled their amazement. Their Southern brethren of Judeadespised Galileans. Nothing good, let alone miraculous, was expected from anyone from that region (John 1:46). The Holy Spirit allowed those foreigners to hear the gospel in their native tongues and 3,000 souls were saved that day. The other type is “unknown” tongues. It must be noted that the term “unknown” is not found in the NIV, NASB or other modern translations. It is indeed an insertion. However, just as the insertion by Erasmus[1]

in 1 John 5:7 (KJV) [1] does not contaminate the text, neither does this. Even in those modern translations, the term “mystery” or “no man knows” is still there, in each. Thus, defining what this particular tongue is. Unlike the phenomenon in Acts, the apostle Paul was very clear when he said, “He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries” (1 Corinthians 14:2) KJV. This is obviously something different. In the book of Acts, men from other nations understood what the apostles were saying in their native languages. Paul says “no man” understands this particular dialect. As a matter of fact, it is God only, who understands these utterances. This unknown tongue also requires an interpreter or it is considered useless and helps no one except the speaker. If it were a known language, as some say, anyone with a semester of that particular language could interpret it. There’s absolutely nothing supernatural about that. Paul considered prophesying (i.e. preaching) to be more beneficial to all. “He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church” (.v4) NIV. He qualifies this by saying, “ ….He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified” (.V 5b) NIV. Preaching was preferable because everyone understood what was being said. It was good for encouragement, exhortation, strengthening and comforting the brethren (v.3). Unless tongues was interpreted, the person should remain silent. “If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak only to himself and God” (.v28) NIV. There are too many denominations that seem to totally ignore this

[1]The insertion of the Father, the Word, and the Holy ghost



[1]A Dutch renaissance scholar whose Greek New Testament (1516) was an important source for Martin Luther’s German translation. He lived 1466 –1536 AD.



[1] Some Voodoo cults speak in tongues.







*I am so not myself today. :csad:

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command. Why is this the case? If a person does this in disobedience to this clear injunction, in God’s word, it is highly questionable as to whether the source is truly God or just fabricated. After all, one of the fruit of the Spirit is “self control” (Galatians 5:23). God would not cause you to violate His own directive. He does not change (Malachai 3:6). This also puts our faith to shame and ridicule before the unsaved world. Paul states that speaking aloud in uncontrolled tongues will cause unbelievers to think that we are mad [1] (First Corinthians 14:23). How many unsaved are simply turned off from Christianity by our antics and disobedience? We will surely be held accountable for this. How much clearer could Paul have been????

Tongues Explanation Continued


WHAT’S YOURS IS
MINE

Okay. Let’s just look at this from a common sense angle. Gifts are given not taken. That’s what makes them “gifts”! You don’t take a gift by force! You don’t demand a gift. If gifts are coerced from the giver, are they truly gifts? In 1 Corinthians 12:11 Paul states, “All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and He gives them to each one just as He determines” NIV. Paul is making reference to God’s sovereign prerogative in the choices He makes. The “giving” being talked about is the giving of spiritual gifts (.v7-10). From these verses, it is easy to discern that every true believer has at least one gift. But , it is also crystal clear that the Holy Spirit makes the decision on what it will be!! Not us!! Will it be healing? It’s up to God. Will it be prophecy? It’s up to God. Will it be teaching? It’s up to God. Will it be tongues? That is still up to the Almighty.

A HEALTHY BODY?
Through out chapter twelve, Paul gives us an example of a body and its many parts working together for the common good (.vs 7, 12, 14). The emphasis is on the fact that each part is valuable to the other. Yet, each part is different. Each part has a different function (i.e. gift). Same body - - - different function. Get the connection?? Paul then drives home the point with rhetorical questions. Rhetorical questions have only one answer but require no answer. He asks, “Are all prophets? Are all apostles? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? (.v 29) NIV. Based upon the elaborate example of the body, the answer is obviously NO! Just as a human body can’t be just an eye, the body of Christ can’t have members that all have the same gift (v 17). That includes “tongues”. After the Holy Spirit inspires Paul to write such a clear doctrinal statement, it is truly disheartening to see so many believers scrambling for a gift that is not theirs to have. A true gift will manifest itself without the prodding, manipulating and peer pressure techniques we see so prevalent these days. Some churches go clearly against 1 Corinthians 12 and have a new believer pulled alone into a room. Two or more prayer leaders make the new convert utter a phrase like “thank you Jesus” as rapidly as possible until the words become jumbled. By, this time the person may succumb to the peer pressure and continue babbling. They are then told that they have the gift of tongues and to go home and “practice” it. This is called “priming the pump”. In the old days, when water was pumped from underground wells, the pump had to be primed with water in order to get water to come up. This was an external inducing, if you will. This may work for wells and water, but not
for a Holy God. He cannot be induced into giving us a particular gift. Why is this so hard for some to comprehend?? Why do some continue this practice? Let’s look now at how one error leads to another.
THE SALVATION
ISSUE

To those who practice this “priming” technique, tongues has been tied to salvation. This comes from a classic misunderstanding and mis - interpretation of the three occurrences, in Acts, where tongues appears. The book of Acts has been mistakenly used as a “blue-print” for church doctrine. The book of Acts (as with all scripture) is definitely a book from which we can glean principles. But, it is not a book of doctrine or instruction as are the epistles of Paul. Acts is a historical record of how the church started. As a matter of fact, it is even safe to say that the church leaders had not solidified their own views on what their doctrine would be. In Acts chapter 11, Peter goes before the council in Jerusalem to defend the events that transpired in chapter 10, at the home of Cornelius the Gentile. Peter was criticized for his sharing the gospel with the uncircumcised (11:2). They could not believe that Gentiles could receive the Holy Spirit. It is obvious that the doctrine of the Holy Spirit had not been established at that time. The church was in its infancy stage and did not know exactly what teachings it would finally hold. So, why would we use this book as our “how to” manual when the persons in it didn’t understand all that was happening?
The main issue is the belief that the “evidence” of salvation is tongues. This is based on the 3 occurrences in the book of Acts in which this phenomenon appears. It may have occurred other times; but it certainly did not occur commonly. In chapter
[1] i.e. “crazy”
 
eight, the Ethiopian Eunuch believed and did not speak in tongues (. vs. 37-39). Lydia was brought to believe and did not speak in tongues (16:14,15). The Philippian jailer believed and did not speak in tongues (16:27-34). Dionysius, Damarius and others came to believe at Mars Hill (17:34) and did not speak in tongues. Even when the great preacher Apollos came to know the full gospel, his belief did not result in tongues (18:24-28). Since these people did not speak in tongues, were they saved? Of course they were!! The scriptures say so. As it happened then, it happens today. Some people do and some people don’t. As First Corinthians 12:11 states, ”….and He gives them to each one as He determines” NIV. In essence, there are more instances, in the book of Acts, of those that don’t speak in tongues than those that do. Acts truly invalidates the “necessity” of tongues. So, what was going on with these tongues?? Was there an underlying reason for the Holy Spirit moving Luke to record these 3 particular occurrences that we might have over-looked? We must remember that the church was just beginning. Miraculous “signs and wonders” were necessary elements in gaining the attention of an unbelieving world. Tongues is indeed a “sign gift”. In FirstCorinthians 14:22a Paul states, “Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for “unbelievers” NIV. In each case (Judea, Samaria & Ephesus) tongues served as a sign to Jews who were slow to believe all that God was doing.[1] In Jerusalem the unsaved Jews are given the sign through tongues to heed the gospel of the apostles. Three thousand do. In Samaria, tongues is given to Cornelius to convince the Jews who are with Peter and at the council in Jerusalem that Gentiles were also in God’s plan. In Ephesus
God grants tongues to the speakers themselves. It was a sign for those that followed John’s message that these teachings were incomplete. Is it a “coincidence” that these events happened exactly where Jesus told His apostles to spread the gospel ---- Judea , Samaria and the uttermost parts (Acts 1:8)? The answer of course is “NO”. Lastly, on this issue, every believer has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13). You cannot be saved apart from the Spirit of God. “Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His” (Romans 8:9b) KJV. This includes the persons mentioned earlier in this section. There is no “second dose”, as some teach. There is no “second blessing” that brings forth tongues. It is not in the bible. However, it can probably be found in the book of first Delusions 1:1. Nuff said.


STOP THE MADNESS!

“GOD IN A BOX”


When the subject of the Holy Spirit comes up in Christian circles, you can be sure that controversy and confusion will follow. This is truly sad when you consider that this was Christ’s great gift to us. Believers are polarized on the subject of what His ministry really is today. For some, the gifts of the Spirit [1] have “ceased” and there is little or no expectation that the Spirit can or will do what He once did. On the other hand, we have some believers expecting fire from the sky, regenerated missing limbs and resurrections. Both of these extremes tend to put God in a “box” of human making. Telling God what He can or cannot do is presumption at its worst. We can certainly say that many of the miraculous signs and wonders are not “normative” anymore. These are needed a lot less in our day. “We live by faith and not by sight” (2
Corinthians 5:7) NIV. The true miracle is seeing a wretched sinner like you or I become regenerated by God’s Spirit. A changed life is the kind of sign and wonder we should crave to see. Maybe then more of us would share our faith with others.

The subject of whether gifts have ceased is stilled debated in Christian circles. Something should be considered before we seriously support this point of view. First, why did the Lord give gifts to the church in the first place? “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord”(First Corinthians 12:4,5). The Lord knew that even with His Spirit indwelling us, the Christian life would encounter many obstacles. A quick reading of Romans 7 is a testimony to the inner battle we all contend with. A believer will always need the help of other parts of the body. Those other parts provide a “service” (v.5) and have gifts that are beneficial to the believer in need. So, before we remove a fence, we need to find out why it was put there in the beginning. By the same token, those that say “tongues” and other gifts have ceased, need to remember why those gifts were needed in the first place. Don’t we still need encouragement, edification and equipping?

One last thing on the cessation of gifts must be addressed. This concerns a passage from First Corinthians 13. It says “…But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears” (.vs 8-10) NIV. Some leading scholars believe that the perfection [1] is the completed canon of
scripture. Once the final disclosure of God’s word was given to John in Revelation, the gifts quickly faded away.

There are some nagging problems with this point of view. First, verse twelve goes on to say this encounter with the “perfection” will cause all believers to see things clearly or make us “know fully”. “Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known” (1 Corinthians 13:12) NIV. Paul is plainly saying that our knowledge of the things of God is partial or incomplete. Even as this word was being given to him, he realized that there are some things still unknown to him concerning God[1]. He penned earlier, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those that love Him” (1 Corinthians 2:9) NIV. However, when we see “face to face” all will be made known to us. This is a definite reference to the Second Coming of Christ. On that “Day” there will be no need for spiritual gifts. Christ himself will sustain us. We will know all things. As it stands right now, the mirror is cloudy. Even though the bible is “perfect”, many believers are still in disagreement on what it is saying. If the scriptures were the perfection being spoken of, our knowledge would be complete and we would be on one accord. There would also be no need for this article.

Secondly, Christians have been “called” according to the purposes of God (Romans 8:28). With that being the case, Romans 11:29 says, “ for God’s “gifts” and His call are irrevocable” NIV. It is obvious that God has not “revoked” His gifts to us. That includes tongues.


[1] Also read : Romans 11:33




[1] Or “that which is perfect” KJV



[1] Especially the sensational gifts.



[1] See 1 Corinthians 1:22
 
I didn't ask him anything.
We were just talking. :huh:
 
One of my friends went to a pentecostal church and recited the opening to Beowulf in olde english.

The entire congregation started shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the lord". It was pretty funny.
Haha...quiet amusing.

Yes, Speaking in Tongues is nonsense.
 
Also I'm seeking personal experiences not what you can find on line.
 
CONCLUSION
Hopefully, we have looked at this with an even hand. Surely as I draw breath, there will be those that will not budge from either extreme. Regardless of where you may fall, scripture speaks for itself. The burden of proof will always land squarely on the individual. Maybe this article has sparked someone to more research for themselves. Hopefully, we have also seen how secondary issues can lead to bigger problems if not addressed.


Some would say, ”Why debate with other believers over this issue? People are dying and going to hell while we split hairs. Why would unbelievers want to be saved if they see us contending on such trivial issues?”


Firstly, people are not going to hell because Christians disagree on secondary issues. They are going to hell because they are sinners. When there was only Jesus and his twelve apostles, there were those who still excused themselves from the kingdom of God. These 13 men were preaching the same message and some men still rejected them. Ultimately, people are judged on their decision about Christ not on whether we agree on doctrine.

Secondly, the search for truth is never trivial. Jude tells us to “contend” for our faith (v. 3). Contend means to tussle, combat, encounter or fight. Since Christ is the living truth, we, who are called by His name, should never settle for anything less than what is true. Contending for the faith means that we will sometimes disagree.
We must always do so in love.

Because we don’t see many (if any) wondrous signs, does that mean God can’t or won’t? Also just because He did it before does that mean He must again? Are tongues for today? Are
there unknown tongues? We can surely agree to disagree. Just be careful in whatever view you hold. God is much too big for any “box”.

“All peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does what He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back His hand or say to Him: “What have you done?” Daniel 4:35 [1]

[1] Quoted by King Nebuchadnezzar



 

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