strange dilema, need input

[Calvin]

My belief is that the bible was written by the Holy Spirit working through men. Interesting picture you have their Calvin, how very....insolent of you. Even if there was no Bible, humans have a fundamental understanding of what's right and wrong. I think most people would agree that lying to a women to engage in irresponsible sexual acts that could create a human life, then telling her you lied and it's all a big game on here is WRONG. Shame on you. I have to go. bye

How do you know the holy spirit was working through men though, if the only proof of that is the very thing that the men wrote. If they wrote false things, but said they were inspired by the holy spirit, how can you use the fact that they wrote it as proof that the thing they wrote in the first place was true? You can't.

As long as he uses protection, I don't find it any more wrong than her trying to cram her religion down his throat and using sex as the bait to get him into her cult. I mean religion.

And hooray, I can finally cross "Being called insolent" off of my lists of things to experience.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

after a few awkward mornings seeing her at work, she said that she thought i was one of the sweetest guys she'd ever met, and would really like to take me up on my offer to take her out, i was thrilled, until she handed me a flyer for her church. she said if i'd come to church with her, and 'get to know the lord', then she'd get to know me, and we could date...

now i'm on the fence, i think i'll just tell her the truth, that i'm not religious, and don't plan on being, but there's the little devil on the other shoulder telling me to go to church with her just to spend some time with her and see what happens. she really is a great girl, and i'd hate to pass up the oppurtunity to spend some time with her outside of my job... maybe take her out for drinks and see if she has a naughty side?

...thoughts? suggestions?

She doesn't like you she likes the idea of you [being Christianized]. Relationships between a man and a woman need mutual attraction (which seems to be present) but they also need to be based on the person for who they are not who they will become.

You and her will only end up irritating each other because you will have different expectations of yourself than she has of you. Just say thank you for the offer, but I cannot attend, I am not a Christian but I hope we can still be friends.

If she likes you enough she will try to make some concession.

 

[Calvin]

Make her attend a Richard Dawkins speech in exchange for going to church.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Make her attend a Richard Dawkins speech in exchange for going to church.

Doubt she would even know who that was...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

My belief is that the bible was written by the Holy Spirit working through men. Interesting picture you have their Calvin, how very....insolent of you. Even if there was no Bible, humans have a fundamental understanding of what's right and wrong. I think most people would agree that lying to a women to engage in irresponsible sexual acts that could create a human life, then telling her you lied and it's all a big game on here is WRONG. Shame on you. I have to go. bye

Assuming you are correct, the Holy Spirit is still an "other" since neither I, nor Calvin, nor Mr. Credible are God. So your logic still eats itself.

 

[Noir]

okay, so i met this girl at work about a month or two ago, and she was gorgeous, nice, polite, smart, friendly, a virgin (at 25) etc, etc... totally the kind of girl you'd like to marry if you could... so, i talked to her almost every morning for the last month or so, and finally asked her out...

she said no, but nicely... she asked me if i was a religious guy, more specifically, if i was 'born again', and 'saved', i was honest, and said no, but ii told her i have all the same qualities of a religious person, just without believeing in the mythology... she said 'sorry, but those are the only kinds of guys i'd consider dating.'

after a few awkward mornings seeing her at work, she said that she thought i was one of the sweetest guys she'd ever met, and would really like to take me up on my offer to take her out, i was thrilled, until she handed me a flyer for her church. she said if i'd come to church with her, and 'get to know the lord', then she'd get to know me, and we could date...

now i'm on the fence, i think i'll just tell her the truth, that i'm not religious, and don't plan on being, but there's the little devil on the other shoulder telling me to go to church with her just to spend some time with her and see what happens. she really is a great girl, and i'd hate to pass up the oppurtunity to spend some time with her outside of my job... maybe take her out for drinks and see if she has a naughty side?

...thoughts? suggestions?

The lord hath given you a blessing, all you got to do is say thanks.. then you know, do the dirty dance.

 

[Mee]

Do it out of spite, and as soon as you take her virginity, recant! She's most likely an idiot deep down, if she's willing to let things like that dictate her dating habits, so just do it for the hell of it and then rub it in her face that you didn't really buy any of that s**t.

Right, because it's silly for someone to want a bf/husband that shares their interests.

 

[Calvin]

Right, because it's silly for someone to want a bf/husband that shares their interests.

It's silly to limit it to that, yes.

 

[StrainedEyes]

It's silly to limit it to that, yes.

How is that silly? Sure you can go and find someone who doesn't care or enjoy what you have to say or do. But why would you not want someone who likes what you like?

 

[Kaboom]

its actually a teaching in the bible that a man and a woman in a relationship should not be "unequally yoked" in essence the bible instructs believers to only date believers. so she may no even be asking you on a date.

she may just be trying to spread the gospel. In any event I suggest going o church, at worst you can come away with a pretty good friend.

 

[Calvin]

How is that silly? Sure you can go and find someone who doesn't care or enjoy what you have to say or do. But why would you not want someone who likes what you like?

You're misunderstanding me. I'm fine with her having a preference, but limiting it purely to only those with the same beliefs is what I find silly. If she's not willing to date him unless he starts following her religion, even though she likes him, then I find that stupid.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

To say "Don't base what you know to be right and wrong off of others" and "get your morals from the Bible" eats itself. Because you are, in effect, basing what you know to be right and wrong off of another (even if I believed the Bible was divine, which I don't).

 

[Phoney Bone]

It's up to you. Personally I think it's lame she won't go out with you just because of your religion. She's trying to change you, and you guys aren't even together. If you think she's seriously worth it. But then you've got to ask yourself after doing all this church stuff, are you really getting anything out of it or are you just doing it for her? Then you're lying to her. I'd say let it go. Stand strong. Stay friends. But nothing more.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Ah, I see what you are saying. Let me try to say it differently.
Thou shalt not kill. check
Stone your children. hmm...
Calvin's a *****e bag, so I'll be one too. fail.
The key word here is discretion. I'm in a rush, hipe this makes sense. Peace, be with you.

I have no idea what you meant by that.

 

[fu manchu]

actually, she asked me if she thought i thought she was crazy for giving me that flyer and note, and i said yes, i thought she was totally nuts... but i told her i dug it (i fibbed)

then i asked her if she handled snakes or anything, she said no... but she said her church really "gets into the spirit" of it... so...

Well, if the people in the church look anything like this:

then RUN !!!

 

[Calvin]

Hades, you have added nothing and are filled with spite. Please refrain from being an ******. Can't what? Prove it was written by truly holy men. Of course not, a certain amount of it has to be taken on faith.

If you're just taking it on faith, then you're doing exactly what you said not to do, which is base your knowledge of right and wrong on the writings of another person. You're believing the word of another person without questioning its validity or divinity. You're just believing it because they told you to, and you were raised and conditioned to believe it. If you can show me a lick of observable and DIRECT proof that "God" had a hand in writing the bible, then great. I'd love to have someone walk up to me with a giant pencil with God's finger prints on it and prove me wrong.

She was simply inviting him to join her for church

That's "simply" all she was doing? Hm, unless my eyes deceive me...

she said if i'd come to church with her, and 'get to know the lord', then she'd get to know me, and we could date...

Uh huh, so much for that.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Well, if the people in the church look anything like this:

then RUN !!!

ZOLTAN!!!

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

What is the name of the church she attends?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

okay, so i met this girl at work about a month or two ago, and she was gorgeous, nice, polite, smart, friendly, a virgin (at 25) etc, etc... totally the kind of girl you'd like to marry if you could... so, i talked to her almost every morning for the last month or so, and finally asked her out...

she said no, but nicely... she asked me if i was a religious guy, more specifically, if i was 'born again', and 'saved', i was honest, and said no, but ii told her i have all the same qualities of a religious person, just without believeing in the mythology... she said 'sorry, but those are the only kinds of guys i'd consider dating.'

after a few awkward mornings seeing her at work, she said that she thought i was one of the sweetest guys she'd ever met, and would really like to take me up on my offer to take her out, i was thrilled, until she handed me a flyer for her church. she said if i'd come to church with her, and 'get to know the lord', then she'd get to know me, and we could date...

now i'm on the fence, i think i'll just tell her the truth, that i'm not religious, and don't plan on being, but there's the little devil on the other shoulder telling me to go to church with her just to spend some time with her and see what happens. she really is a great girl, and i'd hate to pass up the oppurtunity to spend some time with her outside of my job... maybe take her out for drinks and see if she has a naughty side?

...thoughts? suggestions?

not worth it dude.. shes a freaky religious type... no one should force religion down your throat.. and add to that she's going to want her kids to be like that.. and forget any kinda fun sex you could ever have.. this ones wanting it boring

 

[heypapajinx]

oh good god.
stay AWAY.
this is the way ALL my female cousins are.
she's not going to have sex with you, not unless you marry her.
and then you're stuck.
do you really want to marry someone to have sex with them when there are so many women willing to give it up WITHOUT you having to put a ring on their finger?!?!

 

[heypapajinx]

Make her attend a Richard Dawkins speech in exchange for going to church.

Doubt she would even know who that was...

sure she does.
she's burned enough of his books and protested enough of his speeches to know that name by now.

 

[Lord Valumart]

if it's one of those fancy new age churches or what have you i'd go for the novelty valuealone cause those buildings have some freaky things going on....

if it's your classic church run for the hills

 

[Calvin]

If it's a regular quiet service, break out into tongues and just go nuts in the middle of a silent prayer.

 

[kainedamo]

Mr. Credible...

I think its actually quite selfish and inconsiderate for this girl to try and change you into someone your not. If your not religious, your not religious. Religious people should NOT try to convert those who are not religious. My ex girlfriend didn't even try.

If you're as nice a guy as this girl says, someone else will come along that can accept your differences.

 

[Calvin]

You're.