Spider-man 3.1 finally?!

[Krystal]

Right, they will leave up the old specs until Sony details the new release. So what Amazon lists as contents as of now is irrelevant.

 

[spiderman2]

If you want to know what was cut from SM3 there are lists you can find online. But the only ones that struck me as needing be cut back in are the few I mentioned above.
Most of the rest seems just the usual stuff you'd trim to get a movie down to a manageable run time.

I have seen a list of some of the stuff but having a list is a lot different then seeing it.

 

[Krystal]

Well in your previous post you had said....
"I just want to know what was cut because it sounds like more was cut then either Spider-Man 1 and 2 had and I always like to know what was cut good or bad."
.....then I say there are lists online and you say there is a difference between a list and seeing them. No kidding! LOL.
We all would rather see the footage rather than a list! The lists I have seen gives me some sense if the cut scene was compelling or just more mundane and easy pickings for the editor.
Surely a fair amount of the lost 15 minutes was simply extraneous. But other material probably was of good quality, but they felt it made the movie run too long -- such as the longer version of Brock meeting Sandman. Or stuff that was good but they felt to "heavy" such as Sandman's daughter at the end.

 

[Nardz937]

Not true. The extended scene with Peter and Harry was great, and the added development for MJ was excellent as well.

Alright, that extended scene with Peter and Harry at Peter's birthday was great, but I'd say that's about it. The scene with MJ and her friend was somewhat cringe and too chick flick-ish to belong in a Spider-Man movie.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I'd love to see the alternate, more violent Spidey/Harry fight from TASM2 as well.

Looks like we may not be getting anything though.

 

[Krystal]

They have indeed created a new bonus feature for the June 13 release.

"THE STAN LEE LEGACY: FROM COMIC BOOK TO HOMECOMING"

Very promising!

 

[DocLathropBrown]

They have indeed created a new bonus feature for the June 13 release.

"THE STAN LEE LEGACY: FROM COMIC BOOK TO HOMECOMING"

Very promising!

Well, the proves it won't just be a new pressing of the same discs. It's reasonable to assume that the Japanese specs are accurate.

 

[Krystal]

Well, the proves it won't just be a new pressing of the same discs. It's reasonable to assume that the Japanese specs are accurate.

Yes, I think that is true, but I am trying to not get too excited.

At least the disc 4 with the extras is a new disc (and the Spider-Man 3.1 is listed as being on disc 4 of the Japanese set!)

 

[Spider-Ock]

Hopefully an announcement regarding the blurays comes out soon. Also, for fans interested in the ASM blu-ray re-releases, here's a link to the thread I just made:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=35183273#post35183273

 

[henzINNIT]

Well, the proves it won't just be a new pressing of the same discs. It's reasonable to assume that the Japanese specs are accurate.

Was this Stan Lee featurette listed on the Japanese specs?

 

[Krystal]

Was this Stan Lee featurette listed on the Japanese specs?

Yes. Under the translated title "Stan Lee talks about Spider-Man"
Listed as new with a star next to it.

 

[henzINNIT]

Yes. Under the translated title "Stan Lee talks about Spider-Man"
Listed as new with a star next to it.

Interesting. Promising. Wish an official announcement would come to put me out of my misery.

 

[Krystal]

Interesting. Promising. Wish an official announcement would come to put me out of my misery.

You are not lying. Today is 36 days till June 13. Up till now, that was the shortest lead time from a Sony announcement till the release. Wouldn't you know it. Unless we get a press release today this will be a record breaking short notice announcement.

They really want us to sweat. What their purpose is -- I don't understand.
Why wouldn't they have announced this 3 weeks ago? -- especially is the 3.1 is included. Aside from a few short internet articles a week ago -- they have got zero of the free publicity they could have with an official press statement.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

You are not lying. Today is 36 days till June 13. Up till now, that was the shortest lead time from a Sony announcement till the release. Wouldn't you know it. Unless we get a press release today this will be a record breaking short notice announcement.

They really want us to sweat. What their purpose is -- I don't understand.
Why wouldn't they have announced this 3 weeks ago? -- especially is the 3.1 is included. Aside from a few short internet articles a week ago -- they have got zero of the free publicity they could have with an official press statement.

I think what's happened is obvious--3.1 was produced in the run-up to Raimi's Spider-Man 4. This would have been worthwhile to highlight/hype if a sequel with the same team/stars had come out. When 4 got shelved, so did the marketing promise of 3.1, since Sony no doubt knew that it wasn't very popular, despite its box office. 3.1 isn't a guaranteed seller when the next film restarts the continuity and you want to distance yourself from the previous series.

So 3.1 sat, completed but unreleased. And now, in a moment of "let's go all out" to back up our new movie (and with the chance now to capitalize on nostalgia), Sony actually decided to gather all of its archived material (which includes 3.1), make a new featurette (the Stan Lee one) and stick it onto the new blu-rays to give consumers incentive to triple-dip. Why not make a big mention of 3.1? Well, 3 is still remembered as a small disaster, and they know those who care will hear about it anyway. No extra marketing = more money saved. So 3.1 has probably been completed for a while and its inclusion now doesn't carry any additional cost.

The Japanese press release does make a big deal about 3.1--it only seems like it ain't here because we haven't had our press release yet. And I'll bet the sets themselves will have a "includes BRAND NEW cut of 3" sticker on them.

Just my two cents.

 

[Krystal]

^Agree with every word. Sounds super logical to me.
Only scary thing is if the 137 minute run time is correct.
Shorter than the theatrical??

I have an open mind because there are 10-12 minutes I am not in love with and could lose that stuff -- if better stuff got put back in.

 

[Krystal]

I am disappointed no one bothered to say what their exact cuts would be.
I re-watched the movie and came up with 5 1/2 minutes I could easily live without.

People generally say, "emo-Peter" , "the butler did it, er, knew it", the reshot Venom/Sandman meeting, etc.
But those only add up to 3-4 minutes. What else specifically do folks wish was gone?

Or do the folks who like the movie simply want them to add material and not cut anything.
Clearly that didn't happen.

I always felt the movie was very solid except for those few minutes of what I call "silliness" -- vibrating desk, marching Peter (shudder)

 

[DocLathropBrown]

^Agree with every word. Sounds super logical to me.
Only scary thing is if the 137 minute run time is correct.
Shorter than the theatrical??

I have an open mind because there are 10-12 minutes I am not in love with and could lose that stuff -- if better stuff got put back in.

Thing is, we know that some of the deleted material is alternate scenes, so that accounts for some of it--replacement of material. Beyond that, I'm sure that plenty of silliness is trimmed. Truth is, certain bits of silliness, such as the jazz club dance number, are essential to be left in for the plot. But the entire montage of emo Peter dancing to James Brown? Pull out some of the bits like Peter sassing Jonah, feeling up Betty and remove them from the montage and re-insert them as smaller scenes (one never knows, they could have been filmed as part of one long Daily Bugle sequence and edited into a montage in the final stages).

There's also the possibility that Sam was willing to just excise scenes that didn't forward the plot altogether, or perhaps he didn't reinsert ALL of the unused material.

It's better not to wrack your brain about it before you see it--the thing is this won't be like 2.1--that was a beloved movie so 2.1 was really more of an extended cut. Since 3 was less popular and divisive, this may end up being more of an alternate cut that attempts to reign what went wrong. More of a companion piece to the theatrical instead of a replacement (Think the Donner Cut of Superman II).

More potential evidence of this is that 3.1 is on a separate disc. 2.1 can be on the disc with 2 because it adds in the material via seamless branching. 3.1 may be different enough that it can't be branched seamlessly and must be presented in-whole on its own disc.

 

[Krystal]

Once again I 100% agree. I don't think you can trim the nightclub scene much at all.

And as I posted last page cut out half of "emo Peter" after he demands the staff job. We get it by then--he's acting like a jerk. Don't let him progress to acting like a fool.
I'm not wracking my brain-- just having fun speculating. Never thought this would happen. It's fun playing amateur editor.

 

[PeterBenParker]

With Sam Raimi having supposedly supervised the re-cut/extended cut/director's cut/whatever-Spider-Man-3.1-is, I would wish for the film to be Venomless. That said, I just don't see it being possible nor plausible. Honestly not sure how much of the film can be fixed.

Harry may still have the stupid amnesia subplot, Mary Jane may still be kidnapped by the film's final battle, she and Peter may still suck as a couple, Aunt May may still amount to zip, Gwen may be just as useless as she was in the original cut, etc. etc.

If it were me, I'd want Harry and Sandman to have the biggest focus with the film flowing better rather than starting-and-stopping to get to another plot point. TASM2 at least had everything in the films connected by the themes, even if some was clearly disjointed.

 

[henzINNIT]

I am disappointed no one bothered to say what their exact cuts would be.
I re-watched the movie and came up with 5 1/2 minutes I could easily live without.

I've deliberately avoided thinking too much about it to be honest, to shield from potential disappointment. A shorter cut wouldn't have been my choice. I want to see the deleted footage afterall, and now I doubt we'll see that much. A proper alternate cut has me intrigued anyway though, it's more interesting than a simple extended cut.

As far as scenes I want added, pretty much all of the Sandman stuff. I need to see the alternate Venom team-up most of all. The sequence sounds great with the cute sandcastle bit. Penny at the construction site, Flint intimidating the doctor, etc.

What would I chop? The jazz club dance. I do think it's possible. I never liked the news reporters in the finale.

... and that's about it. I love Peter strutting to James Brown. It might be my favourite sequence in the trilogy.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I want Eddie going to Gwen's house, and forcing himself onto her. Further reinforcing how creepy and *****ey he is.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Anything that fleshes out Eddie Brock is essential. He'll still be poorly established, but less-so. Also, the additional material for Sandman makes him more sympathetic and more motivated by his daughter rather than just getting back at Spider-Man.

There isn't much you can trim, really (unless you're really gonna really chop stuff out) because the film as-it-is is pretty lean. There's little in the theatrical that's there for no reason--most of the hated scenes are needed because they set up things later that are important. For example, you can't cut the Jazz club scene because then Gwen has even less purpose, Brock has less reasons to hate Peter, and then Peter won't have his moment of clarity after attacking Mary Jane. Unless there's an alternate sequence to replace it with, it stays.

Most of the scenes in the film are like that (it's rather fun actually to watch the film and find what's necessary and what isn't), so it'll be interesting to see what's missing and what Sam decided to put back in.

 

[Krystal]

I really doubt with the (seeming) limited amount they added back in they have time to add in Brock/Gwen.

As for the jazz club dance -- it can be trimmed sure, but cut entirely I don't think so.

This really begs the question who did this alternate cut. Raimi loved all that "silly" stuff -- did someone convince him to cut stuff he likes?
If someone else cut without his input -- it's basically a fan cut. Maybe by a pro -- but still a fan cut.

Since 2.1 was 95% extension and only the elevator scene alternate-- it was just a case of adding stuff back.

Cutting stuff out and adding other stuff back in to the tune of negative 2 minutes has the earmarks of an actual director's cut -- but that would imply Raimi had stuff in there that he didn't like.

This, if true, will be fascinating as hell to see.

Agree on the reporters -- awful and every second a waste of time. Sadly the female reporter actress passed away and it would seem ruthless to cut out her scenes though. Unless this cut was made in 2006-07 before she died.

Unless the added scenes are really short or they tear out large chunks of theatrical footage -- how can all the scenes you folks are talking about fit in? That would be like Raimi saying "yeah, we did a terrible editing job -- we left in 10 minutes of bad stuff and left out 8 minutes of better stuff."

That would be a strange admission/scenario.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'd cut the reporters, and Raimi's kids. The camera scene is hilarious, but IMO takes some tension out of the final battle.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'm just trying to simmer my excitement. Daredevil and the Director's Cut feel like two completely different movies, for example, but that's because it's a Director's Cut.

3.1, to me, will only seem like an extension given how 2.1 went.