The Amazing Spider-Man "SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold "....NOT!...or Maybe?

[Chewy]

sometimes it saddens me to know just how gullible people really are.

Oh, I know. A half dozen or so reliable, separate sources are reporting trouble in paradise but EVERYTHING'S FINE. How could anyone buy into these reports?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

All Variety did was cut and paste what IESB broke last month.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh, I know. A half dozen or so reliable, separate sources are reporting trouble in paradise but EVERYTHING'S FINE. How could anyone buy into these reports?

Until I see it in fine print or hear from Sam himself, I believe nothing.

 

[Dark Helmet]

It sounds like The Vulture & Vulturess rumors are true & the studio is not giving Sam what Sam wants. This is Spider-man 3 all over again

 

[Showtime]

All Variety did was cut and paste what IESB broke last month.

I love how a lot of these websites and forum geniuses were claiming that Rob over at IESB didn't know what he was talking about and wasn't credible. Now that Nikki Finke and Variety "broke" the news, people start paying attention.

Nikki Finke is the "Queen of Hollyweird" and she is always right on the money, but she should credit Rob, that's minor league. I don't expect Variety to credit any of the website/blogs, because they never do.

 

[Showtime]

Until I see it in fine print or hear from Sam himself, I believe nothing.

Of course, because you don't want it to be true.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I love how a lot of these websites and forum geniuses were claiming that Rob over at IESB didn't know what he was talking about and wasn't credible. Now that Nikki Finke and Variety "broke" the news, people start paying attention.

Nikki Finke is the "Queen of Hollyweird" and she is always right on the money, but she should credit Rob, that's minor league. I don't expect Variety to credit any of the website/blogs, because they never do.

"TOLDJA!"

Give me a ****ing break.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Of course, because you don't want it to be true.

Spoiler

I know..

 

[night0205]

The studio is right. Vulture can not hold a movie.

 

[Chewy]

The latest Spidey sequel is proving villainously difficult to plot out.

Sony and director Sam Raimi are at loggerheads over which direction to go with the villains for the latest installment -- an impasse which has prompted the studio to delay its scheduled spring production start and potentially to bump the pic from its May 11, 2011 release slot.

Raimi wants to have a criminal known as the Vulture act as the primary antagonist in the film while the studio, which dislikes the idea of the winged wrongdoer, is pushing for a romantic sub-plot involving a burglar named the Black Cat in addition to another villain.

A succession of writers has tried to marry the two parties' differing visions to no effect.

Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright David Lindsay-Abaire ("Rabbit Hole") was hired in October 2008 to pen a key version of the screenplay, on top of the earlier version penned by James Vanderbilt ("Zodiac"). Last year, Sony brought in Gary Ross -- Oscar-nominated for his adapted script on 2003's "Seabiscuit" -- which he also helmed.

Alvin Sargent is penning the latest iteration.

Word of the Sony-Raimi conflict first surfaced mid-December on genre Web site IESB, but at the time Sony denied the report, saying tweaking of the script was "nothing unusual."

The differing views about the villain have their origins in the making of "Spider-Man 3."

Raimi, a fan of the wall-crawling super-hero since the character's 1960s debut, wanted to use classic villain Vulture in addition to Sandman, another classic creation, for that movie. The studio pushed him to use Venom, a character that was introduced in the late 1980s, because it thought that character, with its slick alien-symbiote origin, would lend itself to more effective marketing material and a way to attract "the kids."

"Spider-Man 3," while ensnaring $890 million in its worldwide web, turned out to be reviled by both the fanboy community and by many critics. In addition to a hefty paycheck, Raimi purportedly returned to helm the fourth installment in order to leave the series on a high note.

Production still could begin by this summer. While Sony insiders maintain the pic still could remain in its current release date, a shift to a date later in summer 2011 may be more likely considering the lack of a final script for the visual effects-driven project.

SOURCE

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Raimi wants to have a criminal known as the Vulture act as the primary antagonist in the film while the studio, which dislikes the idea of the winged wrongdoer, is pushing for a romantic sub-plot involving a burglar named the Black Cat in addition to another villain.

A succession of writers has tried to marry the two parties' differing visions to no effect.

Raimi wants the Vulture, while Sony wants another villain and Black Cat (in a romantic sub-plot). The writers have been trying to merge the director and studio's vision, with no luck.

It kind of lends some credibility to the terrible Felicia Hardy/Vulturess rumors...

 

[zeptron]

I blame Arad for this. If he had just let Raimi do what he wanted for SM3, then we would have gotten Vulture out of the way and then we probably wouldn't have this problem right now.

The studio is right. Vulture can not hold a movie.

I agree. He doesn't sound too much of a threat to Spidey to carry a two hour movie on his own.

Green Goblin had bombs and great hand to hand combat skills.

Doc Ock had mech arms and could have killed Spidey easily if he wasn't instructed to bring him to Harry.

New Goblin didn't have the best fighting skills but had alot of weapons.

Sandman had abilities that could be deadly.

If done right Venom could have been a deadly foe.

What else can Vulture do besides flying and possessing enhanced strength?

 

[Gabe99]

It's time for a reboot! I hope Sony fires Raimi!

 

[kedrell]

I'm very happy about this. Hopefully more will go wrong and Sony's Spidey franchise will tank. Then Marvel can come in and put it back together later the right way for once. If only something similar could happen to FOX & their god-aweful X-Men franchise.

 

[zeptron]

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[mclay18]

I'm not bothered with the news at all. Weren't Sony and Raimi in a similar position when they were getting the script for SM-2 together? Alvin Sargent was the man who brought all those different drafts and rewrote them in a nice, cohesive whole.(But he also did write SM-3.)

I doubt Sony will move production back a year, likely 2-3 months.

 

[kedrell]

You don't come back from a crapoid movie like SM3. Has that ever happened to any franchise ever without the use of a reboot? I can't think of one. SM3 has tainted the franchise(which I never thought was worth much anyway) and there ain't no easy way to suck out the poison.

 

[mclay18]

To me SM-3 had a lot of problems. But I find SM-3 a helluva lot better and put together than the dismal Batman Forever.

Sony is not going to reboot the Spidey series. As long as its making money, they are going to do sequel after sequel. Period.

 

[Gabe99]

You don't come back from a crapoid movie like SM3. Has that ever happened to any franchise ever without the use of a reboot? I can't think of one. SM3 has tainted the franchise(which I never thought was worth much anyway) and there ain't no easy way to suck out the poison.

That reminds me of City Slickers 2.
"You were going to suck my @*$!"

 

[Chewy]

Raimi wants the Vulture, while Sony wants another villain and Black Cat (in a romantic sub-plot). The writers have been trying to merge the director and studio's vision, with no luck.

It kind of lends some credibility to the terrible Felicia Hardy/Vulturess rumors...

Yep. It's also very reminiscent of SM3. Raimi wanted Vulture and Sandman, Sony wanted Venom, we got Venom and Sandman. Now Raimi wants Vulture, Sony wants Black Cat and another villain, so an attempt at a compromise was apparently Vulture and a terrible Black Cat/Vulturess hybrid monstrosity.

Just think, if we had gotten Vulture and Sandman in SM3 and Venom hadn't been shoehorned in, Sony would have an obvious choice of villain who could easily carry a film on his own for SM4. Shortsightedness, Sony. Shortsightedness.

 

[kedrell]

To me SM-3 had a lot of problems. But I find SM-3 a helluva lot better and put together than the dismal Batman Forever.

Sony is not going to reboot the Spidey series. As long as its making money, they are going to do sequel after sequel. Period.

To me they are equally bad. Just one had the benefit of 15 extra years of advances in SFX. And I hope you're right because the last thing I want is for Sony to get their **** together so they can hold onto this property longer. The drop off in gross for SM4 is gonna be big and another failed attempt will only drive those grosses down further. And Sony WILL stop making them if/when they become not worth the risk. Any studio would.

 

[Showtime]

To me SM-3 had a lot of problems. But I find SM-3 a helluva lot better and put together than the dismal Batman Forever.

Sony is not going to reboot the Spidey series. As long as its making money, they are going to do sequel after sequel. Period.

You realize that Vanderbilt is working on Spider Man 5 & 6 right now, which is being set up as a reboot to the Spider Man series.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Someon throw Raimi off th edamn project already and get a fresh new cast, director, AND direction for this beloved prooperty instead of succombing to melodramatic Dawson's Creek esque plots that don't utilize the charm and trademark humor of the hero Spider-Man.

I'm so sick of Raimi, Sony's ineptness to find someone who understands Spider-Man and his mythos.

What a poor and sad parade of events. Makes me wanna puke.

 

[venom892]

This is really a fifty/fifty chance.SM2 went through numerous rewrites with villains coming and going,subplots as well.SM2 turned out great.On the Flip side SM3 had studio/Rami conflicts to the point that two different scripts were written at the same time(One with Venom another with Vulture.)So it could turn out like SM3 which would be bad.This could really go either way.I'm gonna wait for a trailer or at the very least more Info.

 

[The Joker]

This is really a fifty/fifty chance.SM2 went through numerous rewrites with villains coming and going,subplots as well.SM2 turned out great.On the Flip side SM3 had studio/Rami conflicts to the point that two different scripts were written at the same time(One with Venom another with Vulture.)So it could turn out like SM3 which would be bad.This could really go either way.I'm gonna wait for a trailer or at the very least more Info.

Yeah, but there was never any arguement about who they wanted for the main villain in SM-2. Doc Ock was the natural choice after Green Goblin. They just toyed around with ideas of throwing Lizard or Black Cat in there with him.

In the end they wisely decided to just have Ock as the solo bad guy. But Avi Arad, the stupid idiot, actually seriously considered an idea where Doc Ock would be younger, and romantically infatuated with MJ.

I swear to god that man has no idea about Spider-Man at all.