Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home Spoilers Discussion (Spoilers for Endgame as well)

[Spider-Fan]

There is no point of comparison because Memento isn't a superhero movie. I think it was clear we're talking about predictability or unpredictability in superhero movies. Movies like Memento, Shutter Island, Butterfly Effect are a whole different genre of movies and on a whole new level respectively because they are different genre to begin with.

Movies are movies. You can make a superhero films with a different narrative structure if you wanted to.

When it comes to superhero movies, most people didn't predict the snap happening in Infinity War or the snap happening at all, that's why Infinity War is top tier when it comes to unpredictability. The villain won. In a superhero movie filled with superheroes. Far from home will follow the same recipe as 99% of Marvel and superhero movies in general. I wrote the recipe a few posts back. And if someone likes predictable movies more than unpredictable, that is their opinion, but you can't tell me a predictable movie that follows the same recipe (thus being predictable in all three acts) can in any way be better than an unpredictable movie. Does that mean that a predictable movie isn't fun? No. Does it mean it isn't enjoyable? Also no.

Once again, the project was billed as 2 parts. Anyone with working knowledge of the IG storyline and the fact the movie was 2 parts knew he was going to win. Again, it was predictable. Plenty of threads on this very site called that happening well in advanced. The movie may have surprised you, but honestly while I loved the movie, it did little to shock me. Being unpredictable doesn't inherently add value to a project, either. Let's take Lord of the Rings. Everyone knows that Sauron was going to lose, right? It's predictable. Is it a better story if Sauron obtains the ring and everyone dies? It's unpredictable, after all!!!

It again depends on what the film is supposed to be. What type of film are you making? Does your story support the themes? Etc. Honestly, the story should be your guiding influence, whether it takes you predictable or unpredictable routes.

 

[BringMeThanos]

Ok, so you're saying that a predictable story is more interesting than an unpredictable one? If so, then there is no point in continuing this conversation. And I'm not trying to argue either. I said the movie will be fun, but overall, it's going to suffer from inevitable stagnation. That's all I'm saying.

Have you seen the film? I don't get how fans get throw tantrums over a storyline they've not even seen played out yet.

 

[Avenging Angel]

WHY are they making Peter Parker care more about Tony Stark than Uncle Ben? The man who was responsible for him becoming Spidey. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I'll see it, the recent trailer left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Within MCU time, Uncle Ben has been dead for at least 2-3 years by Peter's time and 7-8 years in actual time. Stark just died recently. So the guy who recently died is going to leave a wound that hasn't healed yet. Peter's had years to heal from Ben's death by this point. I think people don't factor that in. Yeah, I am sure it still hurts, but the fresh wound will feel worse at the time.

 

[Lilbaz]

Saw the new trailer. Unfortunately, just what I thought since I saw Endgame - it's all going downhill and it will continue going downhill for a long time.

After Thanos, Mysterio and those monsters are a joke. A walk in a park for Spiderman and whoever else joins in. No stakes whatsoever, no nothing. Mysterio will destroy some ****, those monsters will destroy some **** on 'our' Earth or on that parallel Earth Mysterio mentioned and then Spiderman will save the day alone or with help. Roll credits. Crap all day, every day.

By the way, if they make him the new 'Iron Man', then that is going to suck really bad. Most people won't like it. If that's the route they take, they will make a bigger mistake than casting Brie Larson.

Until Galactus or at least Kang is introduced as the villain, it's pretty much pointless unfortunately. ''It's all good in the world - some lame threatless threat comes along - (insert hero here) saves the day without suffering any major (or even minor) casualties - roll credits'' is the summary of what we'll be seeing for a while. Boring, predictable and pointless. Shame really.

Not every film has to be about saving the earth/universe. Otherwise it just gets boring. They have to save the world again? Didn't they do that last week.

Sometimes if the story is good the stakes don't have to be that high and can be a lot more relatable.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Not one mention of Ben, a pivotal character in the pathos. Just not right, it feels like they are writing bad fan fiction. SMH had PP completely OOC, there was just so much wrong with the direction of the character. I feel like this is a new character in the same name.

 

[daddydivine]

Not one mention of Ben, a pivotal character in the pathos. Just not right, it feels like they are writing bad fan fiction. SMH had PP completely OOC, there was just so much wrong with the direction of the character. I feel like this is a new character in the same name.

I hope they mention him. But I feel the Stark route was the best way forward. We actually got to see Spiderman interact with Stark and see the attachment grow instead of seeing Uncle Ben die for the upteenth time.

 

[djsunyc]

they didn't want to re-hash his origin story again. we've seen in twice in full length films within the past 15 years. marisa tomei may bring up that her husband died or something like that but there's zero reason to go there now.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

they didn't want to re-hash his origin story again. we've seen in twice in full length films within the past 15 years. marisa tomei may bring up that her husband died or something like that but there's zero reason to go there now.

Unless Happy is seriously the first man she thought of since becoming a widow. Hot or not Aunt May had to know she was not in Tony Stark's league when he started flirting

 

[Lilbaz]

Unless Happy is seriously the first man she thought of since becoming a widow. Hot or not Aunt May had to know she was not in Tony Stark's league when he started flirting

She probably realised when stark got engaged to pepper at the end of homecoming

 

[Avenging Angel]

He grieved more for Tony than Ben in the trailer. I have a huge problem with that in terms of who Peter really is. They made it seem like Ben was imaginary, that he wasn't the sole reason Peter became SM.

Peter constantly needed Tony's help with everything aside from web shooters, whereas in the origins, Peter grows up fast after the death of Ben, no one mentored him or gave him suit upgrades. Ultimate SM aside, not the best iteration of the character anyway. If Tony was only there for moral support, sure I'll get on with that. But he kept on helping him despite this kid knowing how to make his own formula for web shooters. SM/Peter is independent, broken but determined to avenge his Uncle's death and protect innocents. Why was he only patrolling Queens for crime and not Manhattan? Didn't make sense.

In the MCU he is more Spiderboy.

 

[MovieSlave]

Within MCU time, Uncle Ben has been dead for at least 2-3 years by Peter's time and 7-8 years in actual time. Stark just died recently. So the guy who recently died is going to leave a wound that hasn't healed yet. Peter's had years to heal from Ben's death by this point. I think people don't factor that in. Yeah, I am sure it still hurts, but the fresh wound will feel worse at the time.

Thanks for posting this. It's rather obvious yet people are still wanting Uncle Ben as if he's never been shown on film before or as if we've never seen Parker grieve over him before.

It happened a number of years ago, Parker has already grieved and moved on for the most part.

 

[Lilbaz]

He grieved more for Tony than Ben in the trailer. I have a huge problem with that in terms of who Peter really is. They made it seem like Ben was imaginary, that he wasn't the sole reason Peter became SM.

Peter constantly needed Tony's help with everything aside from web shooters, whereas in the origins, Peter grows up fast after the death of Ben, no one mentored him or gave him suit upgrades. Ultimate SM aside, not the best iteration of the character anyway. If Tony was only there for moral support, sure I'll get on with that. But he kept on helping him despite this kid knowing how to make his own formula for web shooters. SM/Peter is independent, broken but determined to avenge his Uncle's death and protect innocents. Why was he only patrolling Queens for crime and not Manhattan? Didn't make sense.

In the MCU he is more Spiderboy.

How do you know how much he grieved for ben? We don't see ben die in the mcu. All we see is peter months after turning into spiderman. He could have been a wreck for all we know.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I never said he needed to die, just the acknowledgement that he cared for his blood relative and the reason he saves lives would suffice.

 

[Tymminator]

I would not mind a Disney + one shot called "Amazing Fantasy 15" in which they do a 20-30 minute MCU Spidey origin (with the burglar, Uncle Ben, etc.). It would be a cool way to kick off their streaming service.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I never said he needed to die, just the acknowledgement that he cared for his blood relative and the reason he saves lives would suffice.

I think it's an underlying part of Peter Parker that he cared for his uncle. It doesn't always need to be said since he already sort of alluded to it in CW when talking to Tony about why he does what he does.

 

[Asharad]

IMO the uncle Ben stuff is worn out. Yes it's part of Spidey, and yes it shouldn't be completely ignored, but it has been done soooo many times that it's not needed in every movie.

 

[Venom 1988]

I think Mysterio lied about being from a different universe/timeline, because didn't Endgame state that the other timelines would be canceled out, when the Avengers undid the Snap

No. They would only be cancelled out in theory if they returned the stones to the exact moment they were taken. But we already know of at least 3 timelines that were permanently branched:
2012 - Loki escaping w/ the Tesseract and Cap revealing himself to Hydra,
2014 - Thanos and co traveling to the future then ceasing to exist (Guardians probably don't form)
1950ish- Steve living with Peggy

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I think Mysterio lied about being from a different universe/timeline, because didn't Endgame state that the other timelines would be canceled out, when the Avengers undid the Snap

If you assume The Ancient One had perfect knowledge and not just the predominant theory. She could be wrong as the theory had never been tested in relation to a snap since as far was we know it only happened three times, all after she taught Professor Hulk. Also with a Steve Rogers and/or Loki adding their Butterfly Effect and the different universe maybe can exist even if Mysterio is lying about being from it himself.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I'm 100% sure that Ned, Michelle and Betty were turned to dust. Not sure about Flash or Liz though.

kinda wish Betty was left behind, it'd adjust her back to giving her that "older women" dynamic with Peter from the comics, after 5 years she could already be studying journalism in college and/or even be interning/working at the Bugle

 

[SpeterMan3]

kinda wish Betty was left behind, it'd adjust her back to giving her that "older women" dynamic with Peter from the comics, after 5 years she could already be studying journalism in college and/or even be interning/working at the Bugle

Same.

 

[Lilbaz]

I would not mind a Disney + one shot called "Amazing Fantasy 15" in which they do a 20-30 minute MCU Spidey origin (with the burglar, Uncle Ben, etc.). It would be a cool way to kick off their streaming service.

Just watch the beginning of spiderman or amazing spiderman to get your fix. How many times do you want to see ben die? Guy's had enough, let him rest in peace.

 

[Marlo56]

I have a few theories about this film:

First, I think it looks like Peter will be desperately looking for a replacement father figure, and clearly he's leaning towards Mysterio. But I think Happy's inclusion in this hints at the resolution - that Peter will realise he has a new father figure in him. That may not bode well for him, maybe Happy's death is coming at the end of the film too, to see off essentially the last of the Iron Man crowd. I can't see Jon Favreau continuing to pop up in Spider-Man sequels, but who knows? Maybe that could be too cruel towards Peter to kill off yet another older male role model so soon after the last, and his third overall.

I think that the line in the trailer where he says "the world needs the next Iron Man" is not referring to himself, but actually referring to Mysterio. I think at that point in the film he'll have been so emotionally attached to Mysterio that he'll do anything for him, which of course will be part of his plan.

And on the Mysterio's plan front: I suspect it will involve stealing Stark tech by getting on the inside with the likes of Fury, Shield etc. I think specifically Mysterio will be trying to access Stark's time machine plans.

I think his origin story will be linked to the snaps - there would have been people who died in car crashes, plane crashes etc as a result of the snap who weren't actually dusted, like we saw in the IW post-credits scene, and Stark never brought those people back to life. I can imagine Mysterio having a loved one who died in that way, then resents Stark for not bringing them back, and hates that the world idolises him as a hero. I could see him wanting to use the time machine to bring the past version of his loved one(s) to the future, and maybe convinces Spider-Man to steal it for him on the pretense that he's a hero like Iron Man, Cap etc too, so he should have access to the time machine too. If that story ends with the time machine plans being completely destroyed then it at least addresses the issue of time travel being used to solve issues going forward. My big doubt about that theory though is that it's essentially the same plot as Spider-Verse, so maybe they wouldn't want to repeat that.

I do strongly feel that Mysterio's origin will be linked to the snaps and Tony's choice to only bring back the people who were dusted. Remember that Vulture's origin in Homecoming was tied to the events of the first Avengers too, and that there's a huge emphasis on Iron Man in the trailer for FFH. It would make sense to have the villain's story dovetail emotionally with Peter's, looking at Tony through two completely different perspectives. It would give meaning to Mysterio's line in the trailer that "sometimes people die."

Finally I've suspected for a while that the arc of this film may take Spider-Man to a place of being largely disliked by the public, as he is in the comics, when he somehow gets framed for something by Mysterio. Mysterio framed Spider-Man in his first comic appearance after all, and I could see it working like Edward Scissorhands where Peter is so taken in by Mysterio that he'll do anything for him without realising what he's doing is wrong.

 

[shinlyle]

Thanks for posting this. It's rather obvious yet people are still wanting Uncle Ben as if he's never been shown on film before or as if we've never seen Parker grieve over him before.

It happened a number of years ago, Parker has already grieved and moved on for the most part.

Apparently, it would be more in character if Peter wore all black, combed his hair to the side, and moped around in the shadows for 2 plus hours crying about his uncle that died probably 3 years ago. Does it still hurt? Yeah...but he also has to suck it up and look after May and go to high school, and he atones for what happened to Ben by helping others. That was the point of him going after Vulture in Homecoming without Tony's blessing. He was trying to do what's right no matter the cost, and whether or not he was ready. It's why he got in that spaceship in Infinity War, and it's why he guarded that gauntlet with his life in Endgame. Tony has just died in front of him, Cap is retired, Thor and Captain Marvel are off-world, and the whole world has to adjust to some pretty hefty changes. Yes, this time, Peter should be overwhelmed because, this time, there's no Iron man to catch him.

This is a Peter Parker being forced to grow up AGAIN after losing his father figure AGAIN. This isn't just losing Tony that he's dealing with, it's losing Ben all over again. He's hurting and he's trying to take a break and be a normal kid again. I'd almost be willing to bet that he realizes somewhere in there that he will never have that normal life, and he will always be Spider-Man. Kind of like how Spider-man 2 ended...which is just fine and dandy with me.

 

[Lilbaz]

No. They would only be cancelled out in theory if they returned the stones to the exact moment they were taken. But we already know of at least 3 timelines that were permanently branched:
2012 - Loki escaping w/ the Tesseract and Cap revealing himself to Hydra,
2014 - Thanos and co traveling to the future then ceasing to exist (Guardians probably don't form)
1950ish- Steve living with Peggy

No. Returning them doesn't cancel those timelines it merely stops them from being corrupted by the dark forces the ancient one talked about. So it is those corrupted realities that are cancelled as they are never let to be in the first place.