Homecoming "Spider-Man Summit" Thread

[Johnny-Oh]

Script and casting approval;

Marvel - 'What do you think?'

Sony - 'Yeah, go with that'.


Also how I wish there was a secondary studio that gave script approval on TDW

The problem with TDW was DEFINITELY not the script(Im looking at you Alan Taylor)

 

[Raiden]

Where in the world did you get that from? If the Marvel deal happens, they're using Spider-Man within the next two years in all likelihood. They wanted him for Civil War, and the latest rumors are that Spidey could still cameo or get a credits scene. All signs point to Marvel's Spider-Man showing up annually if the deal happens (the second new Spider-Man is to be released in 2019, meaning the first would be in 2016 or 2017, plus they want him in Civil War and Infinity War). Sony wasn't even planning to release TASM3 until 2018.

Also, hate to break it to you but there's less than a fraction of a percent chance TASM3 happens even without a deal. Ignoring the Marvel stuff, multiple Sony documents reveal they were planning on rebooting on their own if an MCU deal didn't happen. One exec even wanted/wants Ryan Gosling for Spidey.

The emails hack proved what we thought when TASM2 under-performed, that Sony probably lost money and wasn't happy with the result. That's why they were contemplating rebooting the franchise yet again behind closed doors. If they have done it, it will just deal another crippling blow to the Spider-Man brand and I thought the GA would accept the reboot, unless it is with MCU where he gets to interact with the Avengers.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Well at the very least Drew Goddard seems much better than Webb

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Where in the world did you get that from? If the Marvel deal happens

They have an announced slate of movies. I doubt they'd switch about all their plans to have a Spidey movie take the spot of one of those already announced. People like to say they have everything mapped out, if they switch things about then it alters those plans

 

[Eddie]

They have an announced slate of movies. I doubt they'd switch about all their plans to have a Spidey movie take the spot of one of those already announced. People like to say they have everything mapped out, if they switch things about then it alters those plans

Sony will likely be distributing. Nothing will get canceled for Spidey. Marvel Spider-Man films would essentially be bonus movies. It's right there in the e-mails. The plan was for Marvel to use him in their movies while Sony co-produces Spidey films with Marvel set in the MCU.

They also switch things out all the time. Feige himself has joked about how fluid their plans are. They actually plan for the fact that their plans change. That's why every Marvel film plans extensive reshoots.

 

[mclay18]

If Sony retains distribution, they'll decide when to release the new films. They'll make sure to not step on Marvel / Disney's feet, and Marvel isn't going to take one of the 2017 dates and give it to a Sony-released Spidey pic either.

And July 2017 is a placeholder date. Depending on when the film enters production, it could be released earlier or later. Frankly, they should try the off-season strategy its rivals are employing (like WB, Fox and Lionsgate). February - April as well as August 2017 are up for grabs. Then when the first pic is successful, employ a more traditional blockbuster date for 2019.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

They have an announced slate of movies. I doubt they'd switch about all their plans to have a Spidey movie take the spot of one of those already announced. People like to say they have everything mapped out, if they switch things about then it alters those plans

But they wouldn't be slotting a standalone Spidey movie as one of their Phase X movies. It would function more like your regular Spidey movie under Sony.

 

[degraves93]

Sony will likely be distributing. Nothing will get canceled for Spidey. Marvel Spider-Man films would essentially be bonus movies. It's right there in the e-mails. The plan was for Marvel to use him in their movies while Sony co-produces Spidey films with Marvel set in the MCU.

They also switch things out all the time. Feige himself has joked about how fluid their plans are. They actually plan for the fact that their plans change. That's why every Marvel film plans extensive reshoots.

I'm so afraid that the talks will fall through again like they did in October.

 

[Eddie]

I'm so afraid that the talks will fall through again like they did in October.

That they picked up in November is a good sign, though. I think it's pretty much inevitable that some deal will happen. Look on the bright side: if Sony pushes forward on their own, the next Spidey film is their last. We've seen the dirty laundry. The media will ruin any new Sony only flick by bringing up all the evidence that Sony has no confidence in it.

 

[degraves93]

That they picked up in November is a good sign, though. I think it's pretty much inevitable that some deal will happen. Look on the bright side: if Sony pushes forward on their own, the next Spidey film is their last. We've seen the dirty laundry. The media will ruin any new Sony only flick by bringing up all the evidence that Sony has no confidence in it.

If you had to give a percentage for the deal happening, what would it be?

 

[Eddie]

If you had to give a percentage for the deal happening, what would it be?

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN EXPERT NOR AM I IN THE INDUSTRY

Now that that's out of the way...

THE deal? As in any of the specific ones we've heard? I dunno.

A deal? I'd say it has to be in the 90s, percentage-wise. The only people against it (in the e-mails that are out so far) are execs that could potentially be gone.

 

[degraves93]

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN EXPERT NOR AM I IN THE INDUSTRY

Now that that's out of the way...

THE deal? As in any of the specific ones we've heard? I dunno.

A deal? I'd say it has to be in the 90s, percentage-wise. The only people against it (in the e-mails that are out so far) are execs that could potentially be gone.

That's reassuring. Plus, we pretty much already know the talks started up again, and there's the fact that all of the reports, with variations here and there, have all said the same thing. We've had much less information on Sony rumors in the past, and most of them have turned out to be true.

 

[Spider-Vader]

They have an announced slate of movies. I doubt they'd switch about all their plans to have a Spidey movie take the spot of one of those already announced. People like to say they have everything mapped out, if they switch things about then it alters those plans

There's going to be Spider-Man movies one way or another during this period. The only difference is whether they'll be in the MCU or not.

 

[Gusto]

Didn't one of those emails state that a Spider-Man reboot - MCU or not, will have to be released in 2017?

 

[Gusto]

I believe it was if they cancelled SS, Venom, etc.

 

[degraves93]

I believe it was if they cancelled SS, Venom, etc.

I do remember seeing something like that

 

[Eddie]

Didn't one of those emails state that a Spider-Man reboot - MCU or not, will have to be released in 2017?

It seems Sony only has a three year, nine month clock for new Spidey movies before the rights revert, so essentially they have to put something out by around then (technically early 2018, but it's early enough in the year to not be very viable for a massive budget film).

 

[spider-neil]

It seems Sony only has a three year, nine month clock for new Spidey movies before the rights revert, so essentially they have to put something out by around then (technically early 2018, but it's early enough in the year to not be very viable for a massive budget film).

3 and a half years is loads of time to get a movie out. The only major rush is to cast Peter Parker to have him cameo in CW.

 

[jmc]

From what I could tell from this supposed deal it's far more favourable for Sony than Marvel/Disney. It still feel like Sony are just trying to leech of the MCU.

 

[spider-neil]

From what I could tell from this supposed deal it's far more favourable for Sony than Marvel/Disney. It still feel like Sony are just trying to leech of the MCU.

I hope I'm wrong but it sounds like in exchange for Spider-Man appearing CW, IW part 1 and 2, Sony get the use of two Marvel characters.

Would Sony be stupid enough to 'soft reboot' the Webverse, STILL use the Sinister but have Spider-Man team up with two Marvel heroes to take them down? That is a TERRIBLE idea. If you are going recast the character of Spider-Man and Peter Parker in the MCU this is the Perfect to hit the reset button and fix all of the problems with Webverse and start fresh.

I hope the CBM is a load of rubbish, the 60/40 deal (Latino Review)sounded way better.

 

[jmc]

Is still think Marvel should just let Sony dig it's own grave. One way or another the rights will return to Disney, probably a lot sooner than I anticipated, but the character will be back home eventually.

 

[spider-neil]

Is still think Marvel should just let Sony dig it's own grave. One way or another the rights will return to Disney, probably a lot sooner than I anticipated, but the character will be back home eventually.

Continual negative reaction to the movies may start to effect the sales of Spider-Man merchandise and I don't think Disney are willing to let that happen. Once the image of Spider-Man is irreparable damaged there is no coming back from that (well, not easily).

 

[Spidey_62]

Would Marvel flow with the idea of Drew Goddard directing it? He was attached to their Daredevil as the showrunner (believe the 1st episode's still written by him) before bowing out to direct Sinister Six for Sony. He's somebody they have confidence in, I'd say.

 

[jmc]

Continual negative reaction to the movies may start to effect the sales of Spider-Man merchandise and I don't think Disney are willing to let that happen. Once the image of Spider-Man is irreparable damaged there is no coming back from that (well, not easily).

I'm not so sure the impact will be that dramatic. Spider-Man is one of the most popular characters on the planet, he ranks alongside Batman as being one of the few characters that could withstand a bad couple of years and still be a top seller. Merch has always sold well with Spider-Man and always will.

 

[spider-neil]

Would Marvel flow with the idea of Drew Goddard directing it? He was attached to their Daredevil as the showrunner (believe the 1st episode's still written by him) before bowing out to direct Sinister Six for Sony. He's somebody they have confidence in, I'd say.

If Marvel are producing the movie then it is possible they may get their own director but I doubt they will change Goddard to be honest unless a major director throws their hat into the ring.

If and when a deal is announced then any major director who wants to tackle the superhero genre are going to express an interest.

1. There is going to be a huge budget.

2. Spider-Man is in the top 3 most iconic heroes on the planet so you are directing an A list character not a b list character.

3. Marvel will be involved and Marvel are currently the hottest franchise going.

4. Spider-Man has always been a popular character so there is a good chance that an A list director is a big Spider-Man fan and will get a once in a lifetime chance to fulfil a dream.

Basically if an A list director submitted a proposal for a Spider-Man movie and the idea kicked arse I think they would go with that director and pay off Goddard.