The Dark Knight Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[Miranda Fox]

So, here's the sitch.

The person who cleared up the Cillian misunderstanding from before generously offered to answer any questions I had regarding the Dark Knight. He has also kindly allowed me to share this with you under the following conditions:

I not reveal his identity nor speculate about his connection to the production.

So don't bombard me with PMs, mmmkay?

As an extra precaution, I've decided to reword some of what he said to me. I really do feel like I'm walking on eggshells in regards to the WB and I would never wish to get anyone in trouble. I have also chosen the material I consider most spoilery to be hidden behind tags. Yes, it's the spoiler forum but we had complaints when the sides showed up and I'd like to avoid that this time. I hope you all understand.

Here goes:

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Spoiler

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! t:

This I don't regard as a huge spoiler so I'll simply quote it.

Regarding Joker and his minions:

The minions are unaware of Mr Js' whereabouts for much of the first part of the movie. They speculate whether he's dead, in jail or Arkham.

Regarding Maggie's role in the film (again, I don't think this is any kind of huge spoiler, so it's quoted):

Maggie has a bigger role than Katie did in Begins. The whole film really is an escalation on what groundwork was laid in Begins. Many story lines are set up for the third film, and Maggie will play a big part in that.

This, on the other hand, is!

Regarding the Scarecrow:

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I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas? The way the script reads, this scene will be INCREDIBLY ****ed up. It's the scene i'm most looking forward to watching in the cinema

I literally wanted to dance around my room when I read that. Sounds BRILLIANT!

Regarding filming in Ireland:

filming has taken place in London since Sunday, and the majority of the cast and crew are currently in Baltimore Ire, staying at the Eccles hotel. Hope this is of some use to you.

If you know anybody in Ireland, it would be well worth their while to keep a close eye on the Mondello race track from Monday onwards.

So, there we are.

I believe this person is geniune. Strongly.

I would like to thank him again for being kind enough to share this. I'm sure the rest of the Hype concurs. :heart:

EDIT 11/5/07: I have passed on some of your questions as pormised and these are the responses I got. I consider this sensitive information so it's under the spoiler tag. This has been mostly paraphrased lest the ninjas are snooping...

Regarding the Joker's look:

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The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.

Not surprising.

Secondly, regarding other villians and a certain Miss Kyle:

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Selina Kyle is mentioned at the end of the script (which I believe was brought up by a poster here some time last summer...that person is owed quite a few apologies ) but there's a but: the WB is somewhat reluctant to bring Catwoman into the Nolan franchise. Since the Nolans took the trouble to have her mentioned they obviously aren't so - hopefully! - they can talk the WB round there.

Onto other villians - no other cameos but TDK sets up a villian arc for the next film. I think we can all guess who that is!

In regards to the recent spoiler info at BOF:

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The notion that the Joker puts on the white make up himself is nonsense. In the script, if i can remember exactly, he's described as 'almost albino' in skin tone. He's theatrical yes, but not to the point of stupidity. He's a freak in more ways than one. [Miranda's Note: That *does not* mean he's an albino, just that the skin looks similar to one. Just in case anyone starts flipping out.]

Joker's clothing:

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The Joker does wear purple at one point in the movie, but it's not the bright bright purple of the comic books, from what I've heard, the suit will be at its most comic book like during the scene in which the Joker is seen through the eyes of the fear toxin.

Regarding the new batsuit:

The new Batsuit, again, i've not seen any sketches or designs for the new suit, but I hear it's almost fabric-y, and lighter in tone, almost grey. There was a poster mocked up before Begins came out a couple of years ago, of a batsuit that was kinda 'fabric chainmail'. I think that's a close indication of how the new suit will appear.

Regarding the Joker's character:

Very much so. I think the image is spot on for Nolans' vision, and the character is exactly how it should be portrayed, tragic, funny and completely psychotic, sometimes all in the same scene.

Regarding Bullock and Montoya and their possible inclusion:

Montoya, yes, Bullock no.

Regarding Harvey's Coin

Yes, it's there!

 

[jimmy]

ZOMG.

There are no words to express the joy I feel.

 

[Agentsands77]

That all sounds fantastic.

 

[superglowy]

And this is why these boards should be renamed in ur honour. 'The Miranda Fox Memorial Dark Knight forums' has a nice ring to it does it not?

 

[jimmy]

The Joker/Scarecrow scene reminds me of the time the Joker and the Scarecrow kidnap the mayor during the Knightquest story-line. ****ing glorious.

 

[Miranda Fox]

And this is why these boards should be renamed in ur honour. 'The Miranda Fox Memorial Dark Knight forums' has a nice ring to it does it not?

LOL! I back this motion!

In all seriousness though, this is really all down to the generosity of an individual. I'm the messanger girl!

 

[sasquatchs]

Woohoo, no origin. *Does a little dance* I get the feeling the Joker will be one dangerous person to mess with.

If we still had Katie in the role I'd be disappointed about Rachel's importance, but a bigger role makes perfect sense the way the story is going.

Faithful minions? If he was full-on demented Joker it would be hard to swallow, but if he's a professional criminal that gives them some incentive to associate with him

Did he say anything about the Joker/Batman dynamic? Detective aspects?

Great work

 

[union_jak]

That's a lot of info in one post!

 

[arty2]

Whoa!!! can't wait!!

 

[superkong 500]

So miranda one question

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is the joker the joker in full white/grey face red lips make-up before batman cuts the line with the batarang? and did your source tell you what the joker will look like?
thanks again miranda

 

[Nessy]

Woohooo *dances* Sounds great!
Thank you Miranda for posting!! :heart:

 

[IamtheBatman]

Hmmm I thought they were filming in Baltimore, MD. But it looks like its Ireland.

 

[IamtheBatman]

So, Miranda are they picturing the gash to look like this.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Wow! That is all extremely cool!

Thank you, MIra, and thank you mysterious info-leaking person.

Oh, and superglowy, you all make something "memorial" if the person is dead. So I think you just mean, "The Miranda Fox 'Dark Knight' Forums."

 

[Miranda Fox]

So miranda one question

Spoiler

is the joker the joker in full white/grey face red lips make-up before batman cuts the line with the batarang? and did your source tell you what the joker will look like?
thanks again miranda

Spoiler

He's the Joker as in white face, red lips and green hair.

As to your other question - I'll have to ask. I have no idea whether he is privy to such information but asking certainly won't hurt. Thank you for bringing it up.

 

[comic_guy04]

so Im not quite understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?



whoops sorry just read your #15 post miranda, you already answeredmy question.

 

[Fenrir]

Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Spoiler

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.

So that finally clears up that particular tidbit once for all. No hokey Joker origins! t:

From the sound of it, there's a good possibility that the 'gash' on Joker's face creates some kind of an extended smile along the lines of the Bermejo Joker:

 

[IamtheBatman]

If, it is Joker in the beginning then how does he get the white face red lips and green hair.

 

[Miranda Fox]

so Im not quit understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?

I saw nothing in what he said that indicated it gave him a smile, just scarred him.

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Yes, he has the white skin/green hair/ red lips of Mr J and he will do so from beginning to end.

 

[NoName86]

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[Micah12345]

so Im not quit understanding his "origin". He is lashed in the face by a severed zip line that gives him a wierd smile, and also is he green hair, white/light skin at this point?

she already stated that it isn't his origin. he is ALREADY the joker. its just something for him to hate batman over.

 

[Miranda Fox]

If, it is Joker in the beginning then how does he get the white face red lips and green hair.

I don't think this will really be explained.

Anjow's info regarding the flashback montage is probably about the closest we'll get to an origin. That satisfies me just fine.

 

[NoName86]

Oh God, I think I'm about to pass out!!!!! Man that sounds so F'n awesome!!!! ::MARKED OUT BECAUSE OF SPOILERS::I imagine Batman chasing Joker now, running on rooftops, Batman wondering who this guy is! Awesomeness, and the scarecrow!!! It makes sense now, the scarecrow can be in it without Cillian because his face isn't shown! THE DARK KNIGHT! t: Ohhh, and Bats pisses Joker off big time, and it is a lovely way to ignite the Joker hate/obsession with Batman without exploring the Acid dump thingy. Why can't this movie come sooner?


Nolan, I love you.t:

 

[Miranda Fox]

Wow! That is all extremely cool!

Thank you, MIra, and thank you mysterious info-leaking person.

Oh, and superglowy, you all make something "memorial" if the person is dead. So I think you just mean, "The Miranda Fox 'Dark Knight' Forums."

t: :heart:

 

[Van Petrol]

she already stated that it isn't his origin. he is ALREADY the joker. its just something for him to hate batman over.

I can imagine Jokers reason for hating Bats after this encounter to be something along the lines of, "He's spoiled my good looks."


BTW, Great work Miranda.....you should be the Commisioner by now!