Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum. I am not sure if there is already a thread for this, but I thought I might attempt to explain some of the "plot holes" most people had problems with in the film. I will try to address as many as I can but feel free to add others and/or support/refute my reasoning (in the most civilized manner, please
). I’ll try to do this chronologically.
However, to preface all of this, I hope people would view BvS from the perspective this is an entirely new universe separate from the comics: yes it may draw from famous storylines (“Dark Knight Returns,” “Death of a Family,” “Death of Superman,” “Injustice,” “Flashpoint,” “Tower of Babel,” etc.) but this is a new story and is only the second of many movies in the DCEU. Therefore, some things may be unexplained as of yet but give the movie a chance! (Ultimate Edition anyone?) So, let’s try to understand Superman is not the fully-realized one we all know so well, Batman is a ruthless and changed/jaded superhero, and Lex Luthor is Lex Luthor Jr.: he is another Luthor! (Yes, Jimmy Olsen’s death was “cruel” but Snyder was letting us all know from the very beginning this is not our parents’ Superman & Batman.)
1) How did Superman save Lois in Africa?
The Africa scene was setup by Lex Jr. to frame Superman; therefore, Lex Jr. must have tipped off Superman/Clark that Lois was in danger so Superman/Clark must have flown off immediately from Metropolis (Lois realized this when she had her meeting with Secretary Swanwick). This explains how Supes saved Lois. Also, did no one notice KG Beast looking up at the sky seemingly looking for something before him and the rest of his mercenaries start shooting people (perhaps Lex Jr. instructed KG Beast that Superman was on the way via bluetooth after Lex Jr. observes Clark/Superman flying off to Africa)?
1a) When/How did Lex Jr. know Superman and Batman’s secret identities?
Lex Jr. knew Superman and Batman's secret identities from the very beginning (“I love bringing people together”
. The prequel comics establishes Lex Jr. has been observing metahumans for quite sometime. Also, what kind of genius would Lex Jr. be if he didn’t know who Superman and Batman really were? (I am going to start referring to “Lex Jr.” simply as “Lex” since I hope I made the point this is a different Lex.)
2) Superman kills!
Superman probably didn’t kill the African general holding Lois hostage (“I didn’t kill those people”
: he may have cradled/shielded the general when he went through the wall. You just couldn't tell because Supes was flying at super-speed.
3) Superman was framed for killing Africans with bullets.
The African woman who testified was paid to lie by Lex (did you notice Mercy was at the hearing)? Also, as Secretary Swanwick told Lois later in the film, the problem with Superman was that whenever he showed up “people die.” Following the theme of MoS, Superman is feared for the collateral damage he caused/can cause which also supports Batman’s reasoning to eliminate Superman (which I will get into a little more later). But some people are saying they don’t understand how Superman could be blamed for the deaths when they were killed by bullets: when was Superman explicitly blamed for these specific deaths via gunfire? The only thing he was accused of was the death of the African villagers by the African lady, not those killed with gunfire. (But even the deaths of the African villagers could have been setup to look like Superman did it by KG Beast and his mercenaries via flame throwers so this is not out of the realm of possibility...but the main Superman-problem this scene establishes is whenever Superman shows up, people get hurt.)
4) Why did Lex ask for Zod’s body when he already experimented on it with Kryptonite?
Lex probably had access to Zod’s body to do tests while Zod’s corpse was in the government’s hands but had to ask for it explicitly in order to conduct further tests.
5) How did Lex hack into the ship?
I will address this more in #11, but again, Lex probably already had limited access to the ship and probably noticed the handprint: therefore, he realized he needed Zod’s fingerprints.
6) Lex was badly played: did you see his library speech?
I thought it and Jesse’s performance as a whole was weird too at first but, after rewatching BvS, I really admired Jesse’s performance...especially knowing he knew Clark and Bruce’s identity from the very beginning: I thought how he manipulated everything was pretty masterful. Also, Jesse did say some scenes were cut out: I wouldn’t be surprised if Lex’s library speech was cut short because he was surprised to see Diana there (but I am just speculating: we’ll have to wait and see until the UE to see if the deleted scenes can add further clarity towards Jesse’s performance). But Jesse plays a really great crazy/genius/mad scientist which is what Lex was in the film: a different Lex we’ve never seen before.
7) Why would Batman fight Superman?
Batman is a master tactician: he leaves nothing to chance. Knowing Superman’s power cannot be checked (“Gods fall from the sky”
, the possible collateral damage that could ensue (which Bruce was witness to firsthand in the MoS Zod battle in the beginning of the film), and given his own history (“no good guys are left”
, Batman takes it upon himself to stop Superman (with a little egging on by Lex) knowing even Superman could turn evil (which is further reinforced by the Knightmare sequence). Batman takes no chances (see “Tower of Babel” where, due to Batman’s paranoia, he has stored plans to stop every metahuman/member of the JL should they ever turn evil despite them all being friends/teammates of Batman).
8) Batman doesn't kill!
Again, this is an older, more jaded Batman: something has happened in his past that has made this Batman compromise his “one rule” (I am sure a “Death in the Family” scene was cut out when we are shown Robin’s bullet-riddled costume). This is established when Bruce says, “We’re criminals Alfred, nothing’s changed” and Alfred acknowledges that Bruce himself has crossed the line even further than Bruce himself thinks by his “Feeling of powerlessness that turns good men...cruel” speech.
9) If Batman kills, why is the Suicide Squad/Joker not dead?
Perhaps they were incarcerated before Batman changed his one rule.
10) Why was the Flash scene even necessary?
This reinforced the Knightmare was a very possible future if Superman was not stopped. It also plants the seed in Bruce’s mind to find other metahumans (“A feeling”
.
11) Why did Batman plant a homing device on the trailer carrying the Kryptonite if he was going to steal it later?
This was in case his first attempt to get the Kryptonite failed (again, Batman takes no chances), which was the correct backup plan because Superman crashed the party.
12) Why didn’t Superman stop Lex's men when Batman was chasing them?
Snyder said that a cut scene from the movie (when Superman was looking for his mom) establishes that the maximum range of Superman's senses is within a city; therefore, Superman might have happened upon the car chase and seen the batmobile chasing a half-destroyed trailer and suspected that it was Batman who had initiated the carnage (Clark referred to this earlier with Perry that the “Bat” was acting with impunity around the ports/docks) and decided to warn Batman to stop ("Consider this mercy").
13) Why didn’t Superman hear the bomb on Capital HIll?
Really? It is 2016 and some of us think bombs are sticks of dynamite attached to a clock that ticks? Again, Superman is learning to use his powers and later admits to Lois that he “didn’t see it” (i.e. there was nothing to hear). This scene established that carnage truly does seemingly follow Superman wherever he goes which causes him to doubt himself and leads him to self-exile. (Lex was great here with the jar of piss and we see how crazy he is by having Mercy “save him a seat.”
14) How does Lex hack into the ship?
This is a pretty big plot hole that starts from MoS, but having the command key pretty much gives you access to the ship and it already knows who you are. (Jor-El knew who Lois Lane was when she inserted the command key...how I don’t know because, like I said, this is a pretty big plot hole but who can explain crazy alien technology? :P) Lex also inserted the command key and assumed charge of the ship and began to learn about alien history/technology from the “hundreds of thousands of years” of archival information. It is probably here Lex learned about the “desecration without name” and how it could be brought to life with living “foreign genetic material” and began formulating his plan to bring the creature to life. He also probably thought it would be sentient and therefore able to be communicated with somehow (of which he grossly miscalculated evidenced by Lex just standing there before Superman stops Doomsday from punching Lex). I’ll address Lex’s plan later in depth.
15) Why didn’t Superman hear Martha being captured?
Again, Superman can hear within a city but not further than that.
16) How did Luthor time Martha’s kidnapping with the Bat Signal?
Martha may have been kidnapped for days: we don’t know. All I know is when Batman’s signal went off, Lex knew he would be there. So he orders his men to kidnap Lois Lane and bring her to him so he could throw her off the building to get Superman’s attention and initiate his plan.
17) How did Superman save Lois if he was in the Himalayas?
Who knows for sure if Superman was still in the Himalayas? Maybe after his talk with his dad he decided to come back and heard Lois scream. Obviously this is a plot device that moves the narrative forward but not completely out of the question.
18) Why didn’t Superman use his super senses to find Martha?
Again, Snyder says Superman tried to but couldn’t find her in Metropolis (his senses go as far as the city limits). Therefore, he had to try to get Batman to help him.
19) The whole fight between Batman and Superman could’ve been handled with better communication.
Superman actually tried to reason with Bruce before they start to fight (he even told Lois he had to get Batman to help him...or else). “Bruce, I was wrong. You have to listen to me. Lex...” But when Batman’s traps start going off, Superman realizes he has to subdue Batman first in order to make him listen to him.
20) Why doesn’t Batman react to the fact Superman figured out his secret identity?
It didn’t matter to Bruce because he was confident Superman was dying that night.
21) Why does Lois get a chopper?
Actually, I think Perry White realizes here that Superman and Clark are the same person and agrees to give Lois the chopper. I found it telling that at the end, Perry turns from the front page to the obituaries. Again, like Lex, it further establishes how real Snyder’s universe is if the smart people all know Superman’s secret identity (Lois, Lex, and Perry).
22) Since Superman and Batman’s moms both have the same name, Batman decides to not kill Superman?
I don’t think it was as simple a scene as that. Rather than viewing Superman as an alien who had to be stopped at all costs, Bruce finally sees Superman as a person with a mother: it humanized Superman. The name reminded Batman of why he became the Batman in the first place: to avenge the death of his father, Thomas, and his mother Martha, by fighting crime. Now, with a spear aimed at Superman’s heart, he finally realizes he has turned into the very thing he swore he would stop: a criminal. (I will also add here when Batman saves Martha, some of those scenes at the docks/ports never explicitly show Batman killing anyone even though he used guns and blew things up...even KG Beast [who I think could still appear in the future DCEU but, admittedly, with bad burns
]).
23) Why would Superman say “Martha” instead of “My mom”? Why would he let Batman go after his mom?
Would you say, “Save my mom” (and pretty much give your secret identity away) or “Save [a woman named] Martha?” I thought this was the most self-evident part of the movie. Secondly, Superman was needed at the ship which was too big a problem for Batman. I think the fight convinced Superman that Batman could handle saving his mom (he did almost kill Superman).
24) Why would Batman lead Doomsday back to Gotham? Why didn’t he let Alfred fly the plane?
Like he told Wonder Woman, the Gotham ports where the spear was left are abandoned. Also, Alfred seemed genuinely surprised he had to take controls of the plane in the first place so I don’t think he is a professional pilot.
25) Why would Wonder Woman come out of hiding for a photograph if she’s trying to keep her identity a secret?
She knows Lex could release the photograph (with other evidence like the ATM footage) and reveal her existence; hence it was imperative she got the photo back from him. No one alive really knew who she was except Lex so she wasn't really at risk of outing herself.
26) Lois Lane was such a dumb character: she was just there to be saved/a plot device.
Actually, I thought her character was doing what a reporter does: following leads to get to a story (like the interview with the general in Africa, figuring out it was Lex who framed Superman by putting her in danger’s way, and figuring out the spear that Batman used to almost kill Superman might be used to stop Doomsday).
27) Why didn’t Superman get Wonder Woman to throw the spear?
In the heat of battle, you are thinking of what you can do to accomplish a mission at that moment...not handing off that responsibility to someone else. Besides, wouldn’t there be a possibility that Doomsday could knock down a spear that was thrown at him? Also, with Wonder Woman having lassoed Doomsday and Batman hitting him with kryptonite, Superman saw an opening and took it.
28) Why didn’t the kryptonite weaken Superman like it did earlier when Batman used it?
When Batman used it, it was in vaporized form which probably affected Superman faster and with greater effect. In solid form, it probably did so to a lesser extent but still weakened Superman.
29) What was Lex’s plan?
Lex was obsessed with bringing Superman down (see: Africa). In the beginning, Lex’s plan was to destroy Superman with the kryptonite. But when Batman stole it, he adjusted his plan by orchestrating a fight between the two. By forcing Superman to kill Batman, Lex would present to the world how dangerous, fallible, and “the fraud” Superman was OR have Batman kill Superman so Lex could be rid of him AND THEN have Doomsday kill the one left over with the assumption that Lex was going to be able to control the beast (which, I explained earlier, was a miscalculation on Lex’s part evidenced by Superman saving Lex before Doomsday is able punch Lex).
30) The other metahumans are introduced in an email attachment?
Their existence establishes a world filled with metahumans. Also, how else would they be introduced in 2016? With VCR footage? However, I do acknowledge that the logos was pretty cheesy/shameless product placement for toy lines...but this is a movie, after all.
Of course, that’s not to say this movie had its problems (Superman hardly talks, the dialogue was really bad, editing was pretty choppy, etc.). Nontheless, that’s all I have. Again, feel free to add more/support/refute!
I am new to the forum. I am not sure if there is already a thread for this, but I thought I might attempt to explain some of the "plot holes" most people had problems with in the film. I will try to address as many as I can but feel free to add others and/or support/refute my reasoning (in the most civilized manner, please

However, to preface all of this, I hope people would view BvS from the perspective this is an entirely new universe separate from the comics: yes it may draw from famous storylines (“Dark Knight Returns,” “Death of a Family,” “Death of Superman,” “Injustice,” “Flashpoint,” “Tower of Babel,” etc.) but this is a new story and is only the second of many movies in the DCEU. Therefore, some things may be unexplained as of yet but give the movie a chance! (Ultimate Edition anyone?) So, let’s try to understand Superman is not the fully-realized one we all know so well, Batman is a ruthless and changed/jaded superhero, and Lex Luthor is Lex Luthor Jr.: he is another Luthor! (Yes, Jimmy Olsen’s death was “cruel” but Snyder was letting us all know from the very beginning this is not our parents’ Superman & Batman.)
1) How did Superman save Lois in Africa?
The Africa scene was setup by Lex Jr. to frame Superman; therefore, Lex Jr. must have tipped off Superman/Clark that Lois was in danger so Superman/Clark must have flown off immediately from Metropolis (Lois realized this when she had her meeting with Secretary Swanwick). This explains how Supes saved Lois. Also, did no one notice KG Beast looking up at the sky seemingly looking for something before him and the rest of his mercenaries start shooting people (perhaps Lex Jr. instructed KG Beast that Superman was on the way via bluetooth after Lex Jr. observes Clark/Superman flying off to Africa)?
1a) When/How did Lex Jr. know Superman and Batman’s secret identities?
Lex Jr. knew Superman and Batman's secret identities from the very beginning (“I love bringing people together”

2) Superman kills!
Superman probably didn’t kill the African general holding Lois hostage (“I didn’t kill those people”

3) Superman was framed for killing Africans with bullets.
The African woman who testified was paid to lie by Lex (did you notice Mercy was at the hearing)? Also, as Secretary Swanwick told Lois later in the film, the problem with Superman was that whenever he showed up “people die.” Following the theme of MoS, Superman is feared for the collateral damage he caused/can cause which also supports Batman’s reasoning to eliminate Superman (which I will get into a little more later). But some people are saying they don’t understand how Superman could be blamed for the deaths when they were killed by bullets: when was Superman explicitly blamed for these specific deaths via gunfire? The only thing he was accused of was the death of the African villagers by the African lady, not those killed with gunfire. (But even the deaths of the African villagers could have been setup to look like Superman did it by KG Beast and his mercenaries via flame throwers so this is not out of the realm of possibility...but the main Superman-problem this scene establishes is whenever Superman shows up, people get hurt.)
4) Why did Lex ask for Zod’s body when he already experimented on it with Kryptonite?
Lex probably had access to Zod’s body to do tests while Zod’s corpse was in the government’s hands but had to ask for it explicitly in order to conduct further tests.
5) How did Lex hack into the ship?
I will address this more in #11, but again, Lex probably already had limited access to the ship and probably noticed the handprint: therefore, he realized he needed Zod’s fingerprints.
6) Lex was badly played: did you see his library speech?
I thought it and Jesse’s performance as a whole was weird too at first but, after rewatching BvS, I really admired Jesse’s performance...especially knowing he knew Clark and Bruce’s identity from the very beginning: I thought how he manipulated everything was pretty masterful. Also, Jesse did say some scenes were cut out: I wouldn’t be surprised if Lex’s library speech was cut short because he was surprised to see Diana there (but I am just speculating: we’ll have to wait and see until the UE to see if the deleted scenes can add further clarity towards Jesse’s performance). But Jesse plays a really great crazy/genius/mad scientist which is what Lex was in the film: a different Lex we’ve never seen before.
7) Why would Batman fight Superman?
Batman is a master tactician: he leaves nothing to chance. Knowing Superman’s power cannot be checked (“Gods fall from the sky”


8) Batman doesn't kill!
Again, this is an older, more jaded Batman: something has happened in his past that has made this Batman compromise his “one rule” (I am sure a “Death in the Family” scene was cut out when we are shown Robin’s bullet-riddled costume). This is established when Bruce says, “We’re criminals Alfred, nothing’s changed” and Alfred acknowledges that Bruce himself has crossed the line even further than Bruce himself thinks by his “Feeling of powerlessness that turns good men...cruel” speech.
9) If Batman kills, why is the Suicide Squad/Joker not dead?
Perhaps they were incarcerated before Batman changed his one rule.
10) Why was the Flash scene even necessary?
This reinforced the Knightmare was a very possible future if Superman was not stopped. It also plants the seed in Bruce’s mind to find other metahumans (“A feeling”

11) Why did Batman plant a homing device on the trailer carrying the Kryptonite if he was going to steal it later?
This was in case his first attempt to get the Kryptonite failed (again, Batman takes no chances), which was the correct backup plan because Superman crashed the party.
12) Why didn’t Superman stop Lex's men when Batman was chasing them?
Snyder said that a cut scene from the movie (when Superman was looking for his mom) establishes that the maximum range of Superman's senses is within a city; therefore, Superman might have happened upon the car chase and seen the batmobile chasing a half-destroyed trailer and suspected that it was Batman who had initiated the carnage (Clark referred to this earlier with Perry that the “Bat” was acting with impunity around the ports/docks) and decided to warn Batman to stop ("Consider this mercy").
13) Why didn’t Superman hear the bomb on Capital HIll?
Really? It is 2016 and some of us think bombs are sticks of dynamite attached to a clock that ticks? Again, Superman is learning to use his powers and later admits to Lois that he “didn’t see it” (i.e. there was nothing to hear). This scene established that carnage truly does seemingly follow Superman wherever he goes which causes him to doubt himself and leads him to self-exile. (Lex was great here with the jar of piss and we see how crazy he is by having Mercy “save him a seat.”

14) How does Lex hack into the ship?
This is a pretty big plot hole that starts from MoS, but having the command key pretty much gives you access to the ship and it already knows who you are. (Jor-El knew who Lois Lane was when she inserted the command key...how I don’t know because, like I said, this is a pretty big plot hole but who can explain crazy alien technology? :P) Lex also inserted the command key and assumed charge of the ship and began to learn about alien history/technology from the “hundreds of thousands of years” of archival information. It is probably here Lex learned about the “desecration without name” and how it could be brought to life with living “foreign genetic material” and began formulating his plan to bring the creature to life. He also probably thought it would be sentient and therefore able to be communicated with somehow (of which he grossly miscalculated evidenced by Lex just standing there before Superman stops Doomsday from punching Lex). I’ll address Lex’s plan later in depth.
15) Why didn’t Superman hear Martha being captured?
Again, Superman can hear within a city but not further than that.
16) How did Luthor time Martha’s kidnapping with the Bat Signal?
Martha may have been kidnapped for days: we don’t know. All I know is when Batman’s signal went off, Lex knew he would be there. So he orders his men to kidnap Lois Lane and bring her to him so he could throw her off the building to get Superman’s attention and initiate his plan.
17) How did Superman save Lois if he was in the Himalayas?
Who knows for sure if Superman was still in the Himalayas? Maybe after his talk with his dad he decided to come back and heard Lois scream. Obviously this is a plot device that moves the narrative forward but not completely out of the question.
18) Why didn’t Superman use his super senses to find Martha?
Again, Snyder says Superman tried to but couldn’t find her in Metropolis (his senses go as far as the city limits). Therefore, he had to try to get Batman to help him.
19) The whole fight between Batman and Superman could’ve been handled with better communication.
Superman actually tried to reason with Bruce before they start to fight (he even told Lois he had to get Batman to help him...or else). “Bruce, I was wrong. You have to listen to me. Lex...” But when Batman’s traps start going off, Superman realizes he has to subdue Batman first in order to make him listen to him.
20) Why doesn’t Batman react to the fact Superman figured out his secret identity?
It didn’t matter to Bruce because he was confident Superman was dying that night.
21) Why does Lois get a chopper?
Actually, I think Perry White realizes here that Superman and Clark are the same person and agrees to give Lois the chopper. I found it telling that at the end, Perry turns from the front page to the obituaries. Again, like Lex, it further establishes how real Snyder’s universe is if the smart people all know Superman’s secret identity (Lois, Lex, and Perry).
22) Since Superman and Batman’s moms both have the same name, Batman decides to not kill Superman?
I don’t think it was as simple a scene as that. Rather than viewing Superman as an alien who had to be stopped at all costs, Bruce finally sees Superman as a person with a mother: it humanized Superman. The name reminded Batman of why he became the Batman in the first place: to avenge the death of his father, Thomas, and his mother Martha, by fighting crime. Now, with a spear aimed at Superman’s heart, he finally realizes he has turned into the very thing he swore he would stop: a criminal. (I will also add here when Batman saves Martha, some of those scenes at the docks/ports never explicitly show Batman killing anyone even though he used guns and blew things up...even KG Beast [who I think could still appear in the future DCEU but, admittedly, with bad burns

23) Why would Superman say “Martha” instead of “My mom”? Why would he let Batman go after his mom?
Would you say, “Save my mom” (and pretty much give your secret identity away) or “Save [a woman named] Martha?” I thought this was the most self-evident part of the movie. Secondly, Superman was needed at the ship which was too big a problem for Batman. I think the fight convinced Superman that Batman could handle saving his mom (he did almost kill Superman).
24) Why would Batman lead Doomsday back to Gotham? Why didn’t he let Alfred fly the plane?
Like he told Wonder Woman, the Gotham ports where the spear was left are abandoned. Also, Alfred seemed genuinely surprised he had to take controls of the plane in the first place so I don’t think he is a professional pilot.
25) Why would Wonder Woman come out of hiding for a photograph if she’s trying to keep her identity a secret?
She knows Lex could release the photograph (with other evidence like the ATM footage) and reveal her existence; hence it was imperative she got the photo back from him. No one alive really knew who she was except Lex so she wasn't really at risk of outing herself.
26) Lois Lane was such a dumb character: she was just there to be saved/a plot device.
Actually, I thought her character was doing what a reporter does: following leads to get to a story (like the interview with the general in Africa, figuring out it was Lex who framed Superman by putting her in danger’s way, and figuring out the spear that Batman used to almost kill Superman might be used to stop Doomsday).
27) Why didn’t Superman get Wonder Woman to throw the spear?
In the heat of battle, you are thinking of what you can do to accomplish a mission at that moment...not handing off that responsibility to someone else. Besides, wouldn’t there be a possibility that Doomsday could knock down a spear that was thrown at him? Also, with Wonder Woman having lassoed Doomsday and Batman hitting him with kryptonite, Superman saw an opening and took it.
28) Why didn’t the kryptonite weaken Superman like it did earlier when Batman used it?
When Batman used it, it was in vaporized form which probably affected Superman faster and with greater effect. In solid form, it probably did so to a lesser extent but still weakened Superman.
29) What was Lex’s plan?
Lex was obsessed with bringing Superman down (see: Africa). In the beginning, Lex’s plan was to destroy Superman with the kryptonite. But when Batman stole it, he adjusted his plan by orchestrating a fight between the two. By forcing Superman to kill Batman, Lex would present to the world how dangerous, fallible, and “the fraud” Superman was OR have Batman kill Superman so Lex could be rid of him AND THEN have Doomsday kill the one left over with the assumption that Lex was going to be able to control the beast (which, I explained earlier, was a miscalculation on Lex’s part evidenced by Superman saving Lex before Doomsday is able punch Lex).
30) The other metahumans are introduced in an email attachment?
Their existence establishes a world filled with metahumans. Also, how else would they be introduced in 2016? With VCR footage? However, I do acknowledge that the logos was pretty cheesy/shameless product placement for toy lines...but this is a movie, after all.
Of course, that’s not to say this movie had its problems (Superman hardly talks, the dialogue was really bad, editing was pretty choppy, etc.). Nontheless, that’s all I have. Again, feel free to add more/support/refute!
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