Days of Future Past SPOILERS - Darwin - SPOILERS

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Shaw was just as much a Nazi as he was friends with the Soviets. He even mocked the Nazi's ideology.
 
Wait, what was happening to Darwin as he was dying? Was his body struggling to adapt, and failed, or did he survive by doing something completely different than what we expected.
 
Wait, what was happening to Darwin as he was dying? Was his body struggling to adapt, and failed, or did he survive by doing something completely different than what we expected.

I assumed it was struggling to adapt and failing. It's kind of weird because Havok's powers clearly don't have that yellow explosion effect. If I were more optimistic I'd say he adapted by turning into energy like he did in his first appearance in the comics.
 
I assumed it was struggling to adapt and failing. It's kind of weird because Havok's powers clearly don't have that yellow explosion effect. If I were more optimistic I'd say he adapted by turning into energy like he did in his first appearance in the comics.
I hope that it was him turning into energy because I think he would've been an awesome character.
 
As much as I like Darwin in this movie and as much as I'm sure that he would've been able to survive Shaw's attack, if they bring him back into the sequel, they would really have to try hard to make him a key piece of the story in the next one. I don't want them bringing him back just for the sake of it unless it's going to mean something.
 
As much as I like Darwin in this movie and as much as I'm sure that he would've been able to survive Shaw's attack, if they bring him back into the sequel, they would really have to try hard to make him a key piece of the story in the next one. I don't want them bringing him back just for the sake of it unless it's going to mean something.

Xavier needs him. The Xteam don't have a lot of muscle. Just three inexperienced young mutants who are just coming into their powers. Darwin could easily make a return. Vaughan has already said just one more new character, so it'll probably be a female on the team. Proabaly Polaris or Dazzler, heck maybe even Sage.
 
These "Darwin should return" arguments are even lamer than the "Cyclops should return" and the "Lady Deathstrike should return" arguments.

Is is really that appalling that someone...anyone...could actually die while fighting in a superhuman war???

While we're at it...let's bring back the CIA agents who were killed by Azazel...their characters weren't given time to really be explored, so it should be revealed that they were all mutants with healing powers and they actually survived and will return for revenge! Because no one should ever, ever be killed in a battle that involves people who can kill millions without breaking a sweat.
 
Yeah I guess but it still came across as we have to give Magneto a reason to be bad now. It didn't work for me. Erik and Charles only known each other for like a few months based on the time line in the film. I just would've like to see three films where Shaw and his crew were kept as the villains and fighting against Erik and Charles while building to a climax where they part ways. If not three films two at the least.

The same villain in three movies? That would be dull.
 
Hi guys, this is my first time posting, been lurking for a while and decided to go ahead and sign up.

I just want to say as a woman of color who watched this film with an almost African-American audience, the same sentiment was felt when Darwin was killed. A couple of people actually walked out after that scene. I absolutely loved this film, but was disappointed in that part.

When questions of racism come up, the arguments usually flow the same. Someone poses it, others co-sign it, then another crew comes in offering a different perspective and then the cynics come with this condescending undertone. Happens every time.

I don't think it was "racism", the reason for Darwin being killed, it does seem that there is this arrogant, dismissive attitude in Hollywood towards people who do not look like the majority. Perhaps the reason why people of color felt this sting is because many of us have lived it. And seldom does anyone come right out and say, "We are disregarding you because of your skin color." It is usually this dismissive, after-thought, arrogant attitude that rears its ugly head and is attempted to be covered up with classic tokenism. People who have dealt with oppression understand the subtleties more I guess. This latest installment of XMen was no exception.

Darwin was a token character IMO. He was put in the film to say that it was "diverse" and was gotten rid of as soon as possible. Those who naively assume this is only in our heads and we are constantly playing "the race card", look to the MANY other films that this has happened in. Someone pointed out that other white characters have been killed too, however, "race" wise, there were other white characters left to balance it out.

Like I said, people who have never experienced racism, or the more appropriate word, hatred, based of the melanin in one's skin would not understand.

So many people are so quick to say, "We are tired of hearing about racism!" Well folks, people of color are tired of living it.
 
I just want to say as a woman of color who watched this film with an almost African-American audience, the same sentiment was felt when Darwin was killed. A couple of people actually walked out after that scene. I absolutely loved this film, but was disappointed in that part.

Well that's stupid, both the walking out and the being disappointed.

At no point did Darwin come across as the 'token black guy', and the idea that he shouldn't have been killed because he's black isn't very persuasive to me.

Like I said, people who have never experienced racism, or the more appropriate word, hatred, based of the melanin in one's skin would not understand.

Oh what a crock of ****.

I guess Lucius Fox in Batman is an example of having a 'diversity quota', right? But in that case the movie having only one black person is OK because he doesn't die. Ditto with Thor and Storm in the original X-trilogy.

This just in: Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy totally racist because Robbie Robertson works for whitey.
 
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I am white and his death scene was my favorite part of the entire movie.
 
[BLACKOUT]Magneto's mother was killed.
COUNTLESS G-men/Men In Black were killed during Shaw's raid of the HQ.
Shaw was killed.[/BLACKOUT]

That's a LOT of whites dead in this movie.

Zoe Kravitz is the daughter of Cosby kid Lisa Bonet and Singer Lenny Kravitz...she's very much a black woman. She lived. Next, we'll hear that it was racist that she was the one who changed sides....must mean African Americans are evil....even though the bad guys were predominately white...(and red)....

Remember that this film does take place in the 1960's. Times were different and not many African Americans had high ranking positions (couldn't be G-men) so there aren't going to be many African American characters in this film... Hell, Darwin was a cab driver, because at the time...this was a likely position.

Him dying, and dying bravely, was not racist. He was a mutant that was powerful, and could seemingly adapt to anything. He stood up to try and save the younger members of the team. He died at the hands of a more powerful, ruthless mutant showing that these kids, no matter how brave, were in over their heads and play time was over. His death was not the death of a "token black character". He wasn't there to simply provide diversity to the film. We had Germans, Russians, Latin, Black, and White characters in the film...all races and nationalities were represented fairly well.

This is an X-men movie! It's theme is about tolerance and acceptance, and you guys are trying to grasp straws and claim that the death of a character is racist because it was a black character?! And for those saying he's the "only character" to die....wrong. [blackout]Oliver Platt's character died. Kevin Bacon's[/blackout] character dies. Both white. Are you racist for not counting these deaths as important?

This is some serious reaching here...it's unjustified as there are more characters killed in the film. And there is still another African American mutant survivor. Darwin died trying to defend his new team. Black or white--red or blue, it doesn't matter...He was an X-men. Race isn't the issue.

-R
 
His death would have probably had more impact if he had actually gotten to do something (other than die). He didn't even get a training montage.
 
That's my thing with it. He was just...there. No characterization, no nothing. There to be fodder. **** that ****.
 
His death would have probably had more impact if he had actually gotten to do something (other than die). He didn't even get a training montage.

He did do something. He was the only one in that room of recruits who had the courage to stand up and and risk his life to stop Angel from making the wrong decision, while the rest of the them just stood there cowering against a wall. That's more important than a training montage, in my opinion, though it would have been nicer if he had more screen time.
 
His death would have probably had more impact if he had actually gotten to do something (other than die). He didn't even get a training montage.

Charles really didn't seem to be planning on training them at that point. It was Darwin's death that made them see that they needed to train in order to rise up to the threat that was out there. Did you guys want this film to be about Darwin? He's a C-list X-men character at best. He was handled with as much care as he deserved....if it had been a White C-list character people wouldn't have called it racist, I doubt they'd even complain...

His death was plot driven, NOT character driven. He wasn't there to get a huge emotional impact, that was icing on the cake, if he did or not...and in my theater, he did from some... He was there to show that simply having powers isn't enough. There has to be training and growth to those powers... And to show that the villains were very real, and very powerful-- powerful enough to kill a mutant with Darwin's abilities.

-R
 
What I dont understand is why people are upset that he didn't adapt instantly. In the comics he has died before, but then he came back as someone made up of energy. Edi Gathegi himself said that he would like to come back for the sequel, so I am sure Matthew Vaughn knows he can bring him back.
 
Well that's stupid, both the walking out and the being disappointed.

At no point did Darwin come across as the 'token black guy', and the idea that he shouldn't have been killed because he's black isn't very persuasive to me.



Oh what a crock of ****.

I guess Lucius Fox in Batman is an example of having a 'diversity quota', right? But in that case the movie having only one black person is OK because he doesn't die. Ditto with Thor and Storm in the original X-trilogy.


This just in: Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy totally racist because Robbie Robertson works for whitey.


You are missing her point. You're also trying to insult her argument. She is just explaining why some may feel the character was a token and killed off and how it sometimes can bother blacks. White characters are the heroes in these films. It's just fact, doesn't mean it's bad. When you see the negative roles and bafoonary that goes on with black characters in Hollywood as a person of color it bothers you to see the well rounded black character killed off. Darwin was portrayed to be thoughtful and intelligent and not the crap most black young males are shoved into these days in film. God how many times can you see Tyrese Gibson play the same thug like charcter but with a different name in all his films before it becomes insulting. No one is blaming whitey so calm down.

How man black Xmen are there besides Storm who is female. Bishop I believe was the only black male mutant that i know of that was an xman. I think he's dead now. I know there was a kid named Synch, he's dead to by the way.

No one is talking about Spiderman or Batman. This is a topic on Xmen. Those are also older guys and normal humans, not heroes. Darwin was the token black guy who's killed off. They were better off just not including him.
 
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They both was useless characters that little thought went into for no other reason then to have the cliched character kill of the black dude and the black chick is a ****e sort of, dancing in a strip club. Typical. At least some motivation for Angel going with Shaw would've been due to the treatment of blacks in that era as second class citizens and In Shaw's offer she sees fairness. But no, not even a mention of civil rights.

I agree with all of this. One of first few thoughts watching the film.
 
You are missing her point. You're also trying to insult her argument. She is just explaining why some may feel the character was a token and killed off and how it sometimes can bother blacks.

No, she has no argument to insult because she hasn't made any points. She has asserted, without evidence, that Darwin is 'the token black guy'.

I'm insulting the way she's hiding behind 'you wouldn't understand unless you're black'. Try making a persuasive argument.
 
No, she has no argument to insult because she hasn't made any points. She has asserted, without evidence, that Darwin is 'the token black guy'.

I'm insulting the way she's hiding behind 'you wouldn't understand unless you're black'. Try making a persuasive argument.

Well we aren't gonna agree. I feel he was a wasted character and it was a useless death and he was included for diversity in the movie. I see no other reason to have the character in the film. He wasn't even around back then and shouldn't have been their in the first place. If they was gonna use him they shouldve keep him alive long enough to actually have some sort of impact on the film instead of juat a kill scene.
 
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