Homecoming **SPOILERS*** What issues did you have with the film?

[Another_Fool]

- Like what a number of posters said in this thread, I didn't care for the high-tech suit. In fact, I didn't like that they undercut Peter's agency in creating his own gadgets by having everything done by Stark Industries first. Given that in this continuity, Peter looks up to Tony Stark, it would've been better that the Iron Man armor inspired Peter to update his suit on his own rather than just hack features that were already there. Like why couldn't Peter create the web bullets, the spider tracers or the spider-wings? As much as I got a kick out of the dialogue Peter had with his AI in the underground warehouse, I would've been happy to lose that in favor of Peter creating his own tech.

- Speaking of Stark, I'm a bit tired of how much of the MCU revolves around Stark. And in this movie it's all about Peter trying to please Stark and almost looking at Tony like his own Uncle Ben. For the most part, the narrative choices didn't bother me, and it does work, but I suppose in my fan fiction I thought it would've been nice and more faithful to the comics that Parker gets disillusioned with Tony after losing the suit, only to get inspired by a Captain America PSA video where its Rogers who says something like "Remember kids, if I'm nothing without the suit, then I wouldn't deserve it" line. It would be a good way of not making Spider-Man revolve completely around Tony, while also making a nod to Spider-Man's immense admiration for Steve Rogers in the comics while paying off the PSA videos with something more than comic relief.

Other than that, movie's pretty great.

 

[rvcanuck]

Sigh. My biggest issue is that we're not likely to see what came after May's "What the F-" scene, Unless they cover it in flashback, watching her go on a rampage against Stark et al and ev3ntually come to terms with Peter being Spiderman would have been great. And it would have give Marisa Tomei more to do.

 

[samsnee]

Sigh. My biggest issue is that we're not likely to see what came after May's "What the F-" scene, Unless they cover it in flashback, watching her go on a rampage against Stark et al and ev3ntually come to terms with Peter being Spiderman would have been great. And it would have give Marisa Tomei more to do.

I wouldn't be so sure. I didn't expect to see what happened to him immediately after Civil War, but we did.

 

[rvcanuck]

I wouldn't be so sure. I didn't expect to see what happened to him immediately after Civil War, but we did.

Except they're going straight into Infinity Wars next year so there probably won't be time to focus on this.

 

[samsnee]

Yes you won't probably see it in Infinity Wars. I meant the HC sequel.

 

[smallville fan]

My issues? Just one that requires its own thread aka continuity.

 

[Shazam]

http://www.cbr.com/spider-man-2-is-...Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista

sums it up

 

[The Joker]

http://www.cbr.com/spider-man-2-is-...Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista

sums it up

What a wonderful article. I love Homecoming, but that list is spot on.

 

[Shazam]

- Like what a number of posters said in this thread, I didn't care for the high-tech suit. In fact, I didn't like that they undercut Peter's agency in creating his own gadgets by having everything done by Stark Industries first. Given that in this continuity, Peter looks up to Tony Stark, it would've been better that the Iron Man armor inspired Peter to update his suit on his own rather than just hack features that were already there. Like why couldn't Peter create the web bullets, the spider tracers or the spider-wings? As much as I got a kick out of the dialogue Peter had with his AI in the underground warehouse, I would've been happy to lose that in favor of Peter creating his own tech.

- Speaking of Stark, I'm a bit tired of how much of the MCU revolves around Stark. And in this movie it's all about Peter trying to please Stark and almost looking at Tony like his own Uncle Ben. For the most part, the narrative choices didn't bother me, and it does work, but I suppose in my fan fiction I thought it would've been nice and more faithful to the comics that Parker gets disillusioned with Tony after losing the suit, only to get inspired by a Captain America PSA video where its Rogers who says something like "Remember kids, if I'm nothing without the suit, then I wouldn't deserve it" line. It would be a good way of not making Spider-Man revolve completely around Tony, while also making a nod to Spider-Man's immense admiration for Steve Rogers in the comics while paying off the PSA videos with something more than comic relief.

Other than that, movie's pretty great.

Great points........ Peter Parker is brilliant in his own right. But just like the Dark Knight trilogy undercut Bruce Wayne's inventive skill, Stark became Peter's Lucious Fox.

OTHER PROBLEMS
No J Jonah Jameson............ no mention of the Daily Bugle.......Spiderman afraid of heights??? No Uncle Ben mentioned....................The whole "Great American Hero" routine in not knowing how to work his suit. No Spider Sense warning him that his I.D. would be compromised because Ned was in his room...... "Ned"............. OH YEAH... and yet another VILLAIN finding out who Parker is!!! Oh wait.....and he's still alive!!!

 

[Ninjablade]

I didn't quite get why Peter was such a loser. I got that him and Ned were kind of weird, but just about everything surrounding him (outside of the way Flash treated him) I would think would make him the coolest kid in school. Based on what we've seen Liz seems to be incredibly popular and she seems to like Peter a lot, Peter is incredibly smart, and has the "Stark Internship" that almost everyone (sans Flash) seems to believe in.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Tell us how you really feel Harry

 

[OcStat]

My biggest issue so far: everytime I want to type Ned I start typing Ganke.

 

[ironwez20]

Absolutely hated the tech they added.

Hated the drone, hated the AI, hated the goofy web slinger options. Hated seeing Stark/Stark People/Stark Stuff every 5 minutes. It felt like Sony really just wanted to license an Iron Man movie.

I'm not crazy about the MJ personality, or the Aunt May version, but I could handle that a lot better than the above crap.


At this point, the character looks closer to Iron Man Jr. than Spider-Man.

While the tech suit was dumb he was far from being iron man jr.

 

[Flint Marko]

Absolutely hated the tech they added.

Hated the drone, hated the AI, hated the goofy web slinger options. Hated seeing Stark/Stark People/Stark Stuff every 5 minutes. It felt like Sony really just wanted to license an Iron Man movie.

I'm not crazy about the MJ personality, or the Aunt May version, but I could handle that a lot better than the above crap.


At this point, the character looks closer to Iron Man Jr. than Spider-Man.

The tech suit is probably my biggest issue with the film, but it's a minor one. I'll let it slide considering it gave us some great moments between him and Karen.

Tell us how you really feel Harry

I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that he actually ended up liking the film despite his numerous nitpicks.

 

[samsnee]

Tell us how you really feel Harry

I'm shocked that username wasn't already taken.

 

[The Guard]

-The single dumbest thing in the movie is that The Avengers would put all that tech onto that transport and then not even have the transport monitored by actual security, let alone an actual Avenger.

-The lack of Uncle Ben diminishes this version of the mythos. Any appearance of Ben now will pretty much forever feel tacked on, like an "afterthought". You've got a "working man" villain wit Toomes VS an "elite" mentor in Stark, there's a chance to do something really strong there in tandem with Ben and father figures, but then I guess you'd have to have less jokes. They didn't even set up Peter "repressing" his memories of Ben or anything that they could draw on in a sequel.

-Jokes and levity every oh, 3 seconds or so. It's just not necessary.

-Aside from Peter's arc, most of the character work just wasn't very good. It's not hollow, but it's shallow. Vulture's motivations are rushed through and repeated with no real exploration of what it means, May is apparently just there to be sexualized, and Tony Stark seems to learn next to nothing in this film, like maybe next time don't put a secret superweapon on a kid without telling him about said superweapon's potential.

 

[CGHulk]

I didn't like there was no inclusion of The Bugle and any of the characters there. I don't like the high tech suit from Iron Man, which downplays Peter's natural brilliance in that he creates his own tech. I don't like the exclusion of his spidey sense. I don't like that this film is just a recruitment film for Spidey to become an Avenger. I wish Spidey was wise cracking. There's no Osbornes and a Gwen Stacy setup for such possibilities. The death of Uncle Ben in how it affected him emotionally and characteristically is nowhere in this version. The possibility of Mary Jane showing later up is unlikely. It felt like they decided to make a film without retreading on what other Spider-Man films had done before. Without revisiting any of his story from before, it now feels like a poor mans Spider-Man film that just links him up to the next Avengers film, while leaving out the heart and journey of who the character actually is. There's not a lot of Peter's personal growth going on in this version. With the excised personal back story of Spider-Man, he's not now able to grow into the man we know Spider-Man is supposed to become.

Kevin Feige spoke of verisimilitude, being faithful to the source material of the characters. I just see them avoiding a retread of what we have seen before in the other movies. Instead they should of just made a definitive version of the character. Now that Spider-Man is now at home with Marvel they should of just went all out telling the most accurate story of Spider-Man ever, wiping out all the other movies in terms of being definitively faithful, for accuracy. You know for verisimilitude!

This was not Spider-Man, well only in terms of the suit design which resembles him, and he can climb up walls, and shoot webs from his webshooters, and he has an aunt named May. There's more to the man than just what is on display here in this movie.


Why couldn't they just make a definitive version of Spider-Man no matter what came before, just to say they can say they finally got it all right.

 

[Spider-Ock]

http://www.cbr.com/spider-man-2-is-...Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista

sums it up

I love that article. It perfectly sums up why SM2, to this day, is the Spidey movie to beat in terms of direction, tone, re-watchability etc.

Max Landis also wrote some stuff about Homecoming that's pretty bang on imo:

https://***********/Uptomyknees/status/884963302870208512

 

[Darepool]

I love that article. It perfectly sums up why SM2, to this day, is the Spidey movie to beat in terms of direction, tone, re-watchability etc.

Max Landis also wrote some stuff about Homecoming that's pretty bang on imo:

https://***********/Uptomyknees/status/884963302870208512

Pretty spot on to you at least. Not to me.

Max Landis...at least he thinks it's super fun and rad...

Webb's duality...

Insert gif...

 

[Spider-Ock]

Pretty spot on to you at least. Not to me.

Max Landis...at least he thinks it's super fun and rad...

Webb's duality...

Insert gif...

I have no idea what that bolded part is referring to.
Also the words "imo" in my original post pretty much state that what I am saying is "my opinion", take it or leave it .

 

[Darepool]

I have no idea what that bolded part is referring to.
Also the words "imo" in my original post pretty much state that what I am saying is "my opinion", take it or leave it .

I take it and leave it.

Also Landis doesn't legitimize your opinion to me (it stands or doesn't stand on it's own perceived merit) he's just another know-it-all internet voice like the rest of us.

The bold is a mystery to me as well.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I take it and leave it.

Also Landis doesn't legitimize your opinion to me (it stands or doesn't stand on it's own perceived merit) he's just another know-it-all internet voice like the rest of us.

The bold is a mystery to me as well.

I agree. Just because Landis has similar criticisms doesn't mean that said criticisms are the objective truth.

I just posted that link because it articulates some issues that I personally had with the movie well. It isn't meant to be taken as an endorsement or a promotion of my opinion.

 

[Darepool]

I agree. Just because Landis has similar criticisms doesn't mean that said criticisms are the objective truth.

I just posted that link because it articulates some issues that I personally had with the movie well. It isn't meant to be taken as an endorsement or a promotion of my opinion.

Fair enough, I understand where you and he are coming from, I guess it's just a matter of degrees. For me those 'issues' were minor in the overall context of this new series, obviously bigger for some.

 

[spider-neil]

I love that article. It perfectly sums up why SM2, to this day, is the Spidey movie to beat in terms of direction, tone, re-watchability etc.

Max Landis also wrote some stuff about Homecoming that's pretty bang on imo:

https://***********/Uptomyknees/status/884963302870208512

For a while there is thought I was reading a review from John Landis, director of Michael Jackson's Thriller and American Warewolf in London.

 

[Darepool]

For a while there is thought I was reading a review from John Landis, director of Michael Jackson's Thriller and American Warewolf in London.

Close, his Hollywood brat kid.