Stan Lee wants ANOTHER Hulk reboot?

[dcHulk]

Not even this?

Yeah, there is no excuse for calling this unrealistic. It is fantastic cgi.

 

[Boom]

Not even this?

What can I say? Looks fake to me.

 

[Timstuff]

Hulk looked like CG, but then again Lou Ferrigno also looked like a body builder in green makeup. A long time ago I stopped caring about whether or not things "looked like CG" and instead started focusing on whether or not they look good.

 

[Sarg92]

I reckon the CGI in the cave scene and when Hulk rips up the police car and uses it as boxing gloves is the most convincing in the entire film.

 

[El Payaso]

Generally it was the night time shots which looked convincing.

But the shot where Hulk jumps through the windows and gives us his first big scaring growl.... that was a cartoon.

 

[Hmarrs]

Generally it was the night time shots which looked convincing.

But the shot where Hulk jumps through the windows and gives us his first big scaring growl.... that was a cartoon.

Funny you should say that because it seemed Hulk lost it in the night shots and had it in the day shots where TIh had it in the night and lost it in the day.
However I know people will think I am crazy but I still favor the first Hulk CG.There were times in the film where he just blew my mind.To me there is no comparision.He looked solid!!!TIH reminded me of a Strech Arm Strong Toy.

 

[david icke]

TIH reminded me of a Strech Arm Strong Toy.

How I wish I could say that about the Reed Richards of the FF films, as was he looked more like a tube of toothpaste that has been squirted.
But yeah, the CGI in Hulk was waaaay better then TIH.
and I agree with what Timstuff said, it's best just to consider how good it looks rather than if it look slike a creature from a nature documentary.

I will say, there is *one* scene in Hulk where this is so, he looks totally real and could be footage of a creature caught on camera in real life. It's the bit when he is standing part way in the distance and bends over slightly while bellowing at the tanks. The reason is looks more real is because there is a slight layer of desert sand that has been kicked up in front of him, and disguises the look of the CGI, making the texture look more real. But i always loved that one moment for that reason. One day, 'Hulk will look real in all movie and puny humans will leave hulk alone with bad CG criticism!'

 

[Hmarrs]

Generally it was the night time shots which looked convincing.
But the shot where Hulk jumps through the windows and gives us his first big scaring growl.... that was a cartoon.

Funny you should say that because it seemed Hulk lost it in the night shots and had it in the day shots where TIH had it in the night and lost it in the day.
However I know people will think I am crazy but I still favor the first Hulk CG.There were times in the film where he just blew my mind.To me there is no comparision.He looked solid!!!THIS IS THE HULK!!!

TIH reminded me of a Strech Arm Strong Toy.

No Comparision.I'm sorry.
However in the end I wish they would have gone with this Gray or Green!!!

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How I wish I could say that about the Reed Richards of the FF films, as was he looked more like a tube of toothpaste that has been squirted.
But yeah, the CGI in Hulk was waaaay better then TIH.
and I agree with what Timstuff said, it's best just to consider how good it looks rather than if it look slike a creature from a nature documentary.

I can't.Anything can look good on it's own but if it doesn't blend in it's of no use.TIH looks like a video game Hulk.Therefore he doesn't blend in well with the real world.ALone he may look good to many.

I will say, there is *one* scene in Hulk where this is so, he looks totally real and could be footage of a creature caught on camera in real life. It's the bit when he is standing part way in the distance and bends over slightly while bellowing at the tanks. The reason is looks more real is because there is a slight layer of desert sand that has been kicked up in front of him, and disguises the look of the CGI, making the texture look more real. But i always loved that one moment for that reason. One day, 'Hulk will look real in all movie and puny humans will leave hulk alone with bad CG criticism!'

Oh my goodness are you talking about when he was charging the Tanks!!!Because Yo that freaked me out!!It was even a little scary.They nailed it right then!!!!!!!

 

[david icke]

Oh my goodness are you talking about when he was charging the Tanks!!!Because Yo that freaked me out!!It was even a little scary.They nailed it right then!!!!!!!

Yeah, that is the bit, the part just before he charges the tank, when he is bellowing at them, it looks like a genuinely real Hulk, alive onscreen.
Imagine a whole movie with that effect...in 3D!....*that* would be a blockbusting Hulk movie that would kick Avatar's ass at the BO. Sales of purple trousers would go through the roof.
As soon as they perfect the CG for Hulk, and put him in 3D...invest in purple pants.

 

[El Payaso]

Funny you should say that because it seemed Hulk lost it in the night shots and had it in the day shots where TIh had it in the night and lost it in the day.
However I know people will think I am crazy but I still favor the first Hulk CG.There were times in the film where he just blew my mind.To me there is no comparision.He looked solid!!!TIH reminded me of a Strech Arm Strong Toy.

I really liked the skin and green tone of the TIH's Hulk, but for the green they used with Ang Lee's Hulk, he looked damn real.

 

[kedrell]

The blending in with the enviroment in AngHulk was better than in TIH, I'll grant you that. TIH had some scenes where he looked very much like a real thing that was there but AngHulk had even more of those. But both also had plenty of parts where it looked like a cartoon. However, I don't see how the Shrek-on-steroids version from Anghulk can ever match the design of the Hulk from TIH. TIH's design just b*tchslaps the Anghulk one up and down the line in that department. Way better color scheme, more monstrous looking, better size, more muscular rather that fat looking, etc. Just wins on almost every level.

This looks like it's not so far removed from a reality in which people exist.

This looks like a cartoon character made real, like the next evolution from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Technically impressive, yes but just flawed from it's foundation.

 

[david icke]

I'm sorry but I cannot think of one single moment where the Hulk in TIH looked anything like real, his first open air shot in the daytime is so fake, when he does the big jump onto the grass. It's supposed to be impressive and awe inspiring, but it just made me think, 'jeez, the Ang Hulk was way better, a lot of monstrous shouting and screaming is not going to make us like this Hulk better, concentrate on the sfx and we will like him more.'

I liked the design conceptually for the face better than Ang Hulk, but do not think it was that great for the most part, it did not look as good as teh concept art they unveiled at Comic con. Why? Because it was not good CGI work, the design was fine.
But, the body, those overdesigned stretch muscles...ugh...a real eyesore and very, very unreal looking, even if the CGIO had been more solid, those 'over-inked' lines on the body just look like overstatement, like 'THIS HULK IS RIIIIIIIPED...not like Ang Hulk!' Ang Hulk did not look 'fat' to me at all, it was the most tasteful design of the body.

The simple fact is that more money was spent on the Ang Hulk, so it was better, but, the TIH one had design problems stemming from the fact they were trying to overstress the fact 'THIS HULK MEANS BUISNESS!!!! NOT LIKE THE OTHER HULK MOVIE YOU THOUGHT WAS BORING!!!'
So, they overdid the ripped muscles...*that* is being flawed conceptually from the foundation, at the stage of the drawing board, not when it comes to the CG stage.
There is a chapter in 'How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way' that taks about 'over-inking', and that's exactly what is going on with TIH's Hulk, the body just looks disgusting, lol, disgusting as in painful, the Hulk looks like he should be in steroid OD convulsions due to having no body fat attached to the muscle, *that* is why it looks unreal conceptually, there should be a suggestion of fat being part of the muscle in the design, as of course this is the healthy way strong bodies are, Bruce Lee died because he did not have enough fat attached to his muscles. TIH looked like he had metal choke wire cutting into him the entire time, painful, a parody bodywise because it was overdone. I get a bit embarrassed when I look at the design during the movie tbh, because it's such a bad design, and that bad concept hails from the overeagerness to distance itself from the Ang movie by stressing 'THIS HULK IS BADDASSER!!!', when in fact the Hulk in the original was bad-ass, that was not a problem that movie had.

 

[Hmarrs]

The blending in with the enviroment in AngHulk was better than in TIH, I'll grant you that. TIH had some scenes where he looked very much like a real thing that was there but AngHulk had even more of those. But both also had plenty of parts where it looked like a cartoon. However, I don't see how the Shrek-on-steroids version from Anghulk can ever match the design of the Hulk from TIH. TIH's design just b*tchslaps the Anghulk one up and down the line in that department. Way better color scheme, more monstrous looking, better size, more muscular rather that fat looking, etc. Just wins on almost every level.

This looks like it's not so far removed from a reality in which people exist.

This looks like a cartoon character made real, like the next evolution from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Technically impressive, yes but just flawed from it's foundation.

DISAGREE!!!!THIS HULK LOOKS REAL COMPARED TIH.TIH LOOKED LIKE A CARTOON RIGHT DOWN TO THE LINES DRAWN ON HIS FACE>
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DVD COVER IT TELL THE WHOLE STORY WHAT THEY DID ON THE DVD COVER IS WHAT THEYDID TO THE MOVIE>

WHAT IS THAT?????!!!!!!
THAT LOOKS REAL AND/OR BETTER TO YOU?????????​

I'm sorry but I cannot think of one single moment where the Hulk in TIH looked anything like real, his first open air shot in the daytime is so fake, when he does the big jump onto the grass. It's supposed to be impressive and awe inspiring, but it just made me think, 'jeez, the Ang Hulk was way better, a lot of monstrous shouting and screaming is not going to make us like this Hulk better, concentrate on the sfx and we will like him more.'

True.

Because it was not good CGI work, the design was fine.
But, the body, those overdesigned stretch muscles...ugh...a real eyesore and very, very unreal looking, even if the CGIO had been more solid, those 'over-inked' lines on the body just look like overstatement, like 'THIS HULK IS RIIIIIIIPED...not like Ang Hulk!' Ang Hulk did not look 'fat' to me at all, it was the most tasteful design of the body.

He doesn't look fat to me either.It's just that TIH looked sick.ANG Hulk Looked Healthy.He looked like he would put a Whoop on TIH.

The simple fact is that more money was spent on the Ang Hulk, so it was better.

Point Taken.

There is a chapter in 'How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way' that taks about 'over-inking',.

Got the Book!!!Your right!!!

and that's exactly what is going on with TIH's Hulk, the body just looks disgusting, lol, disgusting as in painful, the Hulk looks like he should be in steroid OD convulsions due to having no body fat attached to the muscle, *that* is why it looks unreal conceptually, there should be a suggestion of fat being part of the muscle in the design, as of course this is the healthy way strong bodies are.

True.

Bruce Lee died because he did not have enough fat attached to his muscles.

I am the biggest of the biggest Bruce lee Fan.I never heard this.I heard of the brain Tumor and all.The Mob,the Curse,This one is new although I don't doubt it because if so it would make sense.However you need to Elaberate for me PLEASE!!!!

TIH looked like he had metal choke wire cutting into him the entire time, painful, a parody bodywise because it was overdone. I get a bit embarrassed when I look at the design during the movie tbh, because it's such a bad design, and that bad concept hails from the overeagerness to distance itself from the Ang movie by stressing 'THIS HULK IS BADDASSER!!!', when in fact the Hulk in the original was bad-ass, that was not a problem that movie had.

EXACTLY while the first Hulk movie had it's issue's there is no denying this.I never felt at any moment that the Hulk or his design or his presentation as the character himself was the problem.His look was on par for me his strength,his feats of strength were on the mark.I wish he would have spoken and that the origin would have been more on point.But the characterization or character of the Hulk himself was not an issue for me.The storytelling and everthing else was.I thought he was the best part.I always said I think alot of people would have like TIH no matter how he looked or the story turned out.Just because of how much they hated Ang's Hulk.

 

[kedrell]

Well, to each his own. But as far as I am concerned, AngHulk looked like a neon green pillsbury doughboy. And he always had this deer-in-the-headlights look on his face that cancelled any bad-assness he had managed to build up. Sure, TIH could be improved upon. But there wasn't really any point at which I thought he just looked stupid. Badly rendered at many points, yes. Clearly CGI at many points, sure. But a joke? Nope, I didn't get that feeling from it. I did get that feeling in AngHulk. And going back to design, at one point in the film AngHulk jumps straight up to avoid a bunch of cluster bombs and then fades into the distance. In that scene, he looks like his arms are coming out of his waist, so tubby is he. He just looks like a big green baby, especially when he does his footsie thing as he fades into the backround.

 

[Hmarrs]

Well, to each his own. But as far as I am concerned, AngHulk looked like a neon green pillsbury doughboy. And he always had this deer-in-the-headlights look on his face that cancelled any bad-assness he had managed to build up. Sure, TIH could be improved upon. But there wasn't really any point at which I thought he just looked stupid. Badly rendered at many points, yes. Clearly CGI at many points, sure. But a joke? Nope, I didn't get that feeling from it. I did get that feeling in AngHulk. And going back to design, at one point in the film AngHulk jumps straight up to avoid a bunch of cluster bombs and then fades into the distance. In that scene, he looks like his arms are coming out of his waist, so tubby is he. He just looks like a big green baby, especially when he does his footsie thing as he fades into the backround.

Each his own that's fair.Footsie thing had me rolling that was funny.However it goes with the Hulk Mythos.If he is always pissed off then there is no excitment when he does get pissed off.He just 2dimensional.With no Character he wasn't like that in the comics.

And by the way looking Stupid and Sissyish is what he looked like when he was looking at Betty in the cave with that DOPEY LOOK and at the end he looked stupid.
He looked like a Puppy dog.Or stupid lets look at this.....
CHEESE!!!!

 

[jadejaws]

Well, to each his own. But as far as I am concerned, AngHulk looked like a neon green pillsbury doughboy. And he always had this deer-in-the-headlights look on his face that cancelled any bad-assness he had managed to build up. Sure, TIH could be improved upon. But there wasn't really any point at which I thought he just looked stupid. Badly rendered at many points, yes. Clearly CGI at many points, sure. But a joke? Nope, I didn't get that feeling from it. I did get that feeling in AngHulk. And going back to design, at one point in the film AngHulk jumps straight up to avoid a bunch of cluster bombs and then fades into the distance. In that scene, he looks like his arms are coming out of his waist, so tubby is he. He just looks like a big green baby, especially when he does his footsie thing as he fades into the backround.

Excellent points....primarily how I felt.

 

[Hmarrs]

Excellent points....primarily how I felt.

Yeah well you wrong!

 

[david icke]

Each his own that's fair.Footsie thing had me rolling that was funny.However it goes with the Hulk Mythos.If he is always pissed off then there is no excitment when he does get pissed off.He just 2dimensional.With no Character he wasn't like that in the comics.

Exactly. All that screaming and bellowing constantly was to pacify the people who were there just to see 'Hulk Smash!', they overdid it because of the reaction to the Ang movie, ie dumbing down *all* aspects, even those that worked fine in the 1st movie.

edit: Don't get me wrong , I really like TIH, I love all the Banner stuff, and get a big kick out of the Hulk's 1st two appearances. I just think the Hulk in Ang's was far superior. In the case of the plot, I do think it was a case of 'dumbing down' being the right move for a change, I like my psychodrama as much as the next chin scratcher, but it did not feel like the right balance for a Hulk movie here, and the character of Banner was not interesting enough to justify it for it to have a feeling of pay off for me.

and I like that shot of the Hulk leaping away , using his arms for balance, very real physics of balance there, superior work.

and Hmarrs, as for the Bruce Lee thing, I can't recall where i heard it, but that was the theory that struck me as true, he was taking the training to extremes and suffered heart failure due to the fat in his body depleting.

 

[jadejaws]

Yeah well you wrong!

Yeah...well that's your opinion.

 

[Kirmit]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, IMO TIH's best cgi was better than Hulk's best cgi whereas its worst cgi was worse than Hulk's. Design wise TIH wins hands down, Anghulk just looked like a big, too neon green man and TIH looked like the hulk, but I will say I did dislike his chest being so stretched and at times his mouth was too large.

 

[Bill]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, IMO TIH's best cgi was better than Hulk's best cgi whereas its worst cgi was worse than Hulk's. Design wise TIH wins hands down, Anghulk just looked like a big, too neon green man and TIH looked like the hulk, but I will say I did dislike his chest being so stretched and at times his mouth was too large.

I think they could have improved the tone of the green for the Ang Hulk, and it would have improved the look of the character immensely. He looked more like the comic version instead of just an over-striated roid freak.

 

[storyteller]

Look no matter what they do. A big hulking green man is not going to look real. The general audience though doesn't see bad cgi. The general audience doesn't give 2 cents about Angs movie. It did not damage the BO for TIH. There just isn't interest in the Hulk to warrent
Not everything can do nearly 1 billion in the BO. TIH and even Hulk pulled off amazing numbers that quite frankly didn't look so hot against the budget. But geeze 95% of other films would love to have done those numbers.

Also a certain other film brought in a similar BO. Then its sequel grossed near 1 billion dollars.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Ang's Hulk was too large, too green, and too emo. I personally didn't like one aspect of him. TIH's was better looking with the muted green color and his size much more of what I expect. It's not even a comparison. TIH wipes the floor with Ang's and then craps on his face for good measure.

 

[Hmarrs]

Yeah...well that's your opinion.

Your wrong about that too.
Because what I said was a fact.

 

[Hmarrs]

Ang's Hulk was too large, too green, and too emo. I personally didn't like one aspect of him. TIH's was better looking with the muted green color and his size much more of what I expect. It's not even a comparison. TIH wipes the floor with Ang's and then craps on his face for good measure.

Ha this post was funny!!!However the only Crap taking place is when TIH faces Ang's Hulk and Craps on himself and at the same time says "Holy Crap"!!!!You and I both know He would take the canon off of a tank Samck TIH in the face a couple of times then Ang's Hulk would rip TIH's head off completly and use it as a Bowling Ball to Bowl down all those lousey Over Acting and/or Under Acting actors as well!!!!