Stan Lee wants ANOTHER Hulk reboot?

[Sava]

QFT

Impressive. Most impressive. But you are not a Jedi yet.

Marvel could have done so much better with the reboot. First off they cloud have called it a reboot instead of a requalboot kinda sorta whatever you want it to be thingy. Sheesh! They should have had the balls to say “This is the Incredible Hulk” and show us the Incredible Hulk. Not the amped up TV version of the Incredible Hulk. Like with Iron Man. They said here’s Iron Man like it or not. Is Iron Man’s story any more believable than the Hulk’s? I don’t think so. I mean think about it, is building an ark reactor in a cave, in the middle of the desert any more feasible than surviving the Gamma Bomb? If so barely. My point is that these are movie about comic book characters, we know it’s fake. We know it’s impossible. We know it’s going to be over the top. It’s a different universe where there are super heros with super powers. We know this. We want this. We wouldn’t have bought the comic if they weren’t that way to begin with. The stories don’t need to be updated. They need to be told correctly.

CJ!!! t: . I agree with what you say, Marvel should have given us the comicbook version.

I disagree. I think they are the right people to make a great TIH franchise.

I seriously disagree, LL sucks, just plain sucks. All his movies so far have ok action sequences with crappy story. You need a director to come in and take charge,not a yes man, thats what he is. Take someone like Del Toro, he would have never made TIH like that, not with that s**ty script and Norton, IMO, gave his worst performance in a big movie, hell, in any movie i've seen him in. Get someone like Del Toro and Norton might wake the f**k up .

No, that's what they did in 2003. It failed. What they needed(at the least) was to have had the 2008 version be the first film ever made. Sadly, this was impossible. TIH for all that's wrong with it, would likely have done maybe even twice as well at the box office had there been no AngHulk to hinder it. Sure, it wouldn't have been a masterpiece, but it would have been enough to keep the franchise alive and growing since it was a fairly good crowd pleaser. But you only get one shot at a first impression, at least per generation. What happened to the Hulk movies is the equivalent of the 1st major Batman movie in 1989 being Joel Schumacker's Batman & Robin. And then following it up with the better but still not great Tim Burton's Batman. Had that happened, I highly suspect that Burton's film wouldn't have lit the box office on fire.

You see, i'm sick of people blaming Ang's movie for the crap results that TIH got. The only thing you can blame on 03's Hulk was the opening weekend for TIH, that i'll give you. But the drop off after that weekend is all down to TIH, nothing to do with The Hulk. I really dont think TIH would have made twice as much in there was no Hulk 03. Even without Ang's Hulk, TIH was really an average movie at best, with average CG and crappy story.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I seriously disagree, LL sucks, just plain sucks. All his movies so far have ok action sequences with crappy story. You need a director to come in and take charge,not a yes man, thats what he is. Take someone like Del Toro, he would have never made TIH like that, not with that s**ty script and Norton, IMO, gave his worst performance in a big movie, hell, in any movie i've seen him in. Get someone like Del Toro and Norton might wake the f**k up .

I assume you're talking about the Del Toro that did Blade II and Hellboy II, and if so, I AGREE WITH YOU SIR!!!! THAT Del Toro is a god to film making, and would have without a doubt given us the greatest Hulk film ever made. Love Del Toro

now if you're talking about the Del Toro (not even sure if he directs, and are they related?) from the Wolfman remake, I'm going to have to stop you right there

 

[Sava]

I assume you're talking about the Del Toro that did Blade II and Hellboy II, and if so, I AGREE WITH YOU SIR!!!! THAT Del Toro is a god to film making, and would have without a doubt given us the greatest Hulk film ever made. Love Del Toro

now if you're talking about the Del Toro (not even sure if he directs, and are they related?) from the Wolfman remake, I'm going to have to stop you right there

yeah, i'm talking about the Del Toro that did Blade 2, Hellboy and more importantly, Pan's Labrinth. I thik even Alex Proyas would have given us a great Hulk movie, these are guys that can handle CG and make it look good in a 50mill budget. Imagine them handling 150mill and Norton for a Hulk movie.

 

[Cracker Jack]

CJ!!! t: . I agree with what you say, Marvel should have given us the comicbook version.

Good to see ya Sava. Here's hoping for the best.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

CJ!!! t: . I agree with what you say, Marvel should have given us the comicbook version.




I seriously disagree, LL sucks, just plain sucks. All his movies so far have ok action sequences with crappy story. You need a director to come in and take charge,not a yes man, thats what he is. Take someone like Del Toro, he would have never made TIH like that, not with that s**ty script and Norton, IMO, gave his worst performance in a big movie, hell, in any movie i've seen him in. Get someone like Del Toro and Norton might wake the f**k up .

You see, i'm sick of people blaming Ang's movie for the crap results that TIH got. The only thing you can blame on 03's Hulk was the opening weekend for TIH, that i'll give you. But the drop off after that weekend is all down to TIH, nothing to do with The Hulk. I really dont think TIH would have made twice as much in there was no Hulk 03. Even without Ang's Hulk, TIH was really an average movie at best, with average CG and crappy story.

Hey Sava,

I'm sick of it too, people are just trying to make excuses as to why TIH did so poorly, and the fact of the matter is, Hulk 2003 had very little to do with it. If TIH was so great, then the WOM would have meant steady drop offs, which TIH just didnt have.

Then there is the old, 'people waited for the DVD' lame excuse, really? Then why did the DVD sell so poorly? If TIH was really so good, it would have been able to stand on its own despite any animosity from a movie 5 years earlier, the fact of the matter is, it didnt. Its WOM wasnt good enough to boost the BO or the DVD sales.

 

[bubbadoom]

Hellboy's DelToro passed on the first Fantastic Four movie - imagine what that could have been like with him behind it!

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

maybe he's like me, just doesn't care for the FF4

the Del Toro's seem to like darker characters more (obviously with Hellboy and Blade, and one of the Del Toro's being in Wolfman), I'd say they favor that aspect

so instead of Del Toro's FF4, could anyone imagine if Del Toro rebooted the Spawn franchise?

I think he could make it work

 

[kedrell]

You see, i'm sick of people blaming Ang's movie for the crap results that TIH got. The only thing you can blame on 03's Hulk was the opening weekend for TIH, that i'll give you. But the drop off after that weekend is all down to TIH, nothing to do with The Hulk. I really dont think TIH would have made twice as much in there was no Hulk 03. Even without Ang's Hulk, TIH was really an average movie at best, with average CG and crappy story.

I never said that AngHulk was solely to blame for TIH's poor performance. There were several other factors involved as well(poor marketing, not distinguishing it clearly from AngHulk, and being a pretty mediocre movie over-all). But Batman '89 was also a pretty mediocre movie(with a really piss poor story) yet it was huge because as the 1st installment, at least it didn't completely f*** it up the way later Batman films did. The 1st Hulk movie....completely f***ed it up right at the begining(albeit in a different way than B&R did earlier - extremely boring and horribly paced as opposed to campy and ******ed). And as the Pirates and Transformer films have shown us, mediocre-to-lousy films can still make a lot of money. So had TIH been the first, I have no doubt that it would have been significantly more successful. But it wasn't, so it didn't. I mean, in order to get over the stench of AngHulk, TIH needed to be a really good movie just to do moderately well. The fact that it wasn't just added to it's failure.

I'm sick of it too, people are just trying to make excuses as to why TIH did so poorly, and the fact of the matter is, Hulk 2003 had very little to do with it. If TIH was so great, then the WOM would have meant steady drop offs, which TIH just didnt have.

It at least had better legs than Anghulk. It's still a mediocre movie sure, but that would still place it in the top 10% or so of superhero movies since the vast majority REALLY suck.

Then there is the old, 'people waited for the DVD' lame excuse, really? Then why did the DVD sell so poorly? If TIH was really so good, it would have been able to stand on its own despite any animosity from a movie 5 years earlier, the fact of the matter is, it didnt. Its WOM wasnt good enough to boost the BO or the DVD sales.

I thought the DVD sales, while not spectacular, was better than the theatrical #'s would have suggested. I mean, Supersuck Returns made nearly $150M more WW in theaters than TIH did but TIH did similar #'s on home video. So either SR did worse than expected, or TIH did better than expected or honestly, both happened.

 

[kedrell]

Del Toro would have been better, sure. But if what I've heard of Hellboy 2 from the fans is correct, he basically just put his junk into that film rather than keeping it true to Mignola's comic. It's just what I've heard from Hellboy fans. I've no idea since I have never read Hellboy. But if true, then he'd have done the same to Hulk most likely. And that I would easily notice.

To me, the two directors who seem like they were born to be able make a great Hulk movie are David Fincher and Peter Jackson(especially the former). I trust I don't have to explain why.

 

[Cracker Jack]

had TIH been the first, I have no doubt that it would have been significantly more successful.

I agree 100%. I also think that TIH would have been 100% different and better if it had been the first go around.

 

[kedrell]

That too.

 

[OB12]

Yeah, I remember when TIH was coming out and being excited to see it, I would mention it to people and they would invariably retort something along the lines of "not another terrible Hulk movie!" I don't even hate Hulk, I think it is fairly boring with very little in the way of payoff with the climax being terrible. IMO, TIH was a fun movie which probably could've benefitted from leaving in some of the cut footage, but really I think it is an enjoyable film.

What I think should happen is they continue with the current iteration of the Hulk, making him a prominent figure in the Avengers and then further develop the acrimonious relationship between the Hulk and Banner in a sequel after Avengers.

 

[Sava]

Good to see ya Sava. Here's hoping for the best.

I dont trust Marvel to actually give us a good Hulk film, they had the chance and blew it.

Hey Sava,

I'm sick of it too, people are just trying to make excuses as to why TIH did so poorly, and the fact of the matter is, Hulk 2003 had very little to do with it. If TIH was so great, then the WOM would have meant steady drop offs, which TIH just didnt have.

Then there is the old, 'people waited for the DVD' lame excuse, really? Then why did the DVD sell so poorly? If TIH was really so good, it would have been able to stand on its own despite any animosity from a movie 5 years earlier, the fact of the matter is, it didnt. Its WOM wasnt good enough to boost the BO or the DVD sales.

like Kendrell said, i dont think he was saying that its solely to blame for TIH but i think the biggest reason its was so poor was that Marvel rushed it and the general public saw that it was a poorly made film, they just didnt go to see it.

I never said that AngHulk was solely to blame for TIH's poor performance. There were several other factors involved as well(poor marketing, not distinguishing it clearly from AngHulk, and being a pretty mediocre movie over-all). But Batman '89 was also a pretty mediocre movie(with a really piss poor story) yet it was huge because as the 1st installment, at least it didn't completely f*** it up the way later Batman films did. The 1st Hulk movie....completely f***ed it up right at the begining(albeit in a different way than B&R did earlier - extremely boring and horribly paced as opposed to campy and ******ed). And as the Pirates and Transformer films have shown us, mediocre-to-lousy films can still make a lot of money. So had TIH been the first, I have no doubt that it would have been significantly more successful. But it wasn't, so it didn't. I mean, in order to get over the stench of AngHulk, TIH needed to be a really good movie just to do moderately well. The fact that it wasn't just added to it's failure.

again, the only people i really blame for TIh is Marvel, its like you said, Ang's Hulk ruined it for the franchise and Marvel should have made sure that they had a brilliant script and a great team behind it, hire a great cast and let them lose, not tie their hands and make them hate you. Ever since Marvel announced the release date for TIH even before they started filming, i could tell what was going to happen, then they left ILM and went to some s**t CG company. Nearly everything they did with TIH was wrong, just plain wrong.

As for Superman Returns, i think its really clear that it underperformed badly.

 

[kedrell]

One of the biggest studio interference guys is now gone so I have more hope in the future of Marvel's self made films. Of course, I could just be whistling dixie since it's entirely possible that Maisel just gets replaced by some Disney *****e who will f--- things up just as bad. The interesting test of this theory will be Thor and even more so Cap since they had their entire filming after Maisel had left the company.

 

[Sava]

One of the biggest studio interference guys is now gone so I have more hope in the future of Marvel's self made films. Of course, I could just be whistling dixie since it's entirely possible that Maisel just gets replaced by some Disney *****e who will f--- things up just as bad. The interesting test of this theory will be Thor and even more so Cap since they had their entire filming after Maisel had left the company.

so it was Maisel, LL and Norton had a problem with? I cant wait to see what they do with Thor and Cap either but from what i've seen of IM2 (havent seen the film yet) i wont get my hopes up. I just dont see Marvel spending another 150mill on TIH 2 even if Avengers is a huge hit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It at least had better legs than Anghulk. It's still a mediocre movie sure, but that would still place it in the top 10% or so of superhero movies since the vast majority REALLY suck.

Its not a bad movie by any means, it just wasnt spectacular enough to make its own mark on peoples minds. Adjusted for inflation the movies made around the same, plus TIH didnt have the competition Hulk had, TIH had a good month before another big budget blockbuster was being released.

I thought the DVD sales, while not spectacular, was better than the theatrical #'s would have suggested. I mean, Supersuck Returns made nearly $150M more WW in theaters than TIH did but TIH did similar #'s on home video. So either SR did worse than expected, or TIH did better than expected or honestly, both happened.

SR made over $20 million more than TIH on DVD, both did poor on DVD but SR still made a lot more in profits, the fact that GI Joe did more on DVD than TIH despite Blu-ray sales being up 75% in 2009 than 2008 speaks volumes about TIH's performance on DVD IMO.

I dont trust Marvel to actually give us a good Hulk film, they had the chance and blew it.


like Kendrell said, i dont think he was saying that its solely to blame for TIH but i think the biggest reason its was so poor was that Marvel rushed it and the general public saw that it was a poorly made film, they just didnt go to see it.
again, the only people i really blame for TIh is Marvel, its like you said, Ang's Hulk ruined it for the franchise and Marvel should have made sure that they had a brilliant script and a great team behind it, hire a great cast and let them lose, not tie their hands and make them hate you. Ever since Marvel announced the release date for TIH even before they started filming, i could tell what was going to happen, then they left ILM and went to some s**t CG company. Nearly everything they did with TIH was wrong, just plain wrong.

As for Superman Returns, i think its really clear that it underperformed badly.

Why Marvel just didnt leave it until 2009, it might have made a killing last year, it would have given them more chance to hone the script and market the movie better, plus they had no tentpoles in 2009.

 

[kedrell]

Pushing it to 2009 would have been the really smart move, but unfortunately legal obligations back in 2008 required them to produce 2 films a year as per the Merril Lynch deal. Then Iron Man got unusually big and Disney bought them which gave them more clout. But back then they didn't have that clout and needed to release TIH in 2008. One of those damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenarios.

 

[kedrell]

so it was Maisel, LL and Norton had a problem with? I cant wait to see what they do with Thor and Cap either but from what i've seen of IM2 (havent seen the film yet) i wont get my hopes up. I just dont see Marvel spending another 150mill on TIH 2 even if Avengers is a huge hit.

I don't think Maisel was let go until the beginning of this year. So he was still all involved with 3/4 of the production of IM2. The biggest problem with that movie was that they took 2 years to make the film instead of 3, which would have allowed for more script re-writes. And it was the studio's insistence that it get done in 2 years. Favs wasn't terribly optimistic about it at first. They flew by the seat of their pants and got really lucky the first time, but they shouldn't have tempted fate again.

 

[Sava]

Pushing it to 2009 would have been the really smart move, but unfortunately legal obligations back in 2008 required them to produce 2 films a year as per the Merril Lynch deal. Then Iron Man got unusually big and Disney bought them which gave them more clout. But back then they didn't have that clout and needed to release TIH in 2008. One of those damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenarios.

then why not release a small movie? did it have to be a hulk movie? Maybe they should have released TIH first and started making it before IM.

I don't think Maisel was let go until the beginning of this year. So he was still all involved with 3/4 of the production of IM2. The biggest problem with that movie was that they took 2 years to make the film instead of 3, which would have allowed for more script re-writes. And it was the studio's insistence that it get done in 2 years. Favs wasn't terribly optimistic about it at first. They flew by the seat of their pants and got really lucky the first time, but they shouldn't have tempted fate again.

agreed. It was such a stupid thing to make it so fast, you can see that they just put everything in there and the reviews i have read so far say exactly the same thing. I hope Marvel learn from this.

 

[Sava]

Why Marvel just didnt leave it until 2009, it might have made a killing last year, it would have given them more chance to hone the script and market the movie better, plus they had no tentpoles in 2009.

if it what Kendrell said, then they had no choice but they still could have chose not to move from ILM and still hire a better director and writer.

 

[El Payaso]

Hellboy's DelToro passed on the first Fantastic Four movie - imagine what that could have been like with him behind it!

It would have been an equally bad movie with better visuals.

 

[bubbadoom]

DelToro is a huge Kirby fan, so I think his FF would have been truer to the Lee/Kirby FF. He had more of a track record than Tim Story, so I think he would have been harder to push around than Story was. He he been on board early enough, we might have gotten the Doom we all deserved.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I dont trust Marvel to actually give us a good Hulk film, they had the chance and blew it.

It boggles me. Why is it so hard to take was is already there and transfer it to to the screen? Both movies I stood behind and said, "Wait and see, give them a chance." If they ever make TIH II and Zack Penn is attached to it in anyway, I will not give it any hope.

 

[Sava]

It boggles me. Why is it so hard to take was is already there and transfer it to to the screen? Both movies I stood behind and said, "Wait and see, give them a chance." If they ever make TIH II and Zack Penn is attached to it in anyway, I will not give it any hope.

we wont have to worry about TIH2, it isnt going to happen IMO. I'm wit you on Zak Penn, he better not be involved.

 

[Superman]

I'm pretty happy with the design we got in TIH.

I liked it alot better than the 15 foot godzilla we got in the first one.

I liked the first Hulk story alot but I never understood why they had to make him SO big.