Stargate SG-1/Atlantis/Universe

[Siby]

I don't feel she was forced at all. All Young said to her was, "I need you." and boom she moved over to his side. She could have stuck with her previous thoughts and reasons, when talking to Scott, about how she wants to stay and have a better life for her baby on the planet. Hence the surprised and confused look on Scott's face when she chose to go with Young.

I'm not saying she can't change her mind, she definitely wasn't forced to go back to Destiny, but it sure appeared to me like she changed her mind really fast.

By the way, I loved the Star Trek reference by Eli and I just love it when he does that stuff. It's like an inside joke between geeks.

I also liked how Young reached out to Rush about Chess. I also like that Rush, Camile, and Young are discussing things as a triumvirate but everybody recognizes that the final call is still Young's to make.

 

[Happenstance]

Of course she was forced, theres no two ways about it. Young gave them two options, the military personel leave with him and the others can stay with the shuttle or he takes everyone back by force. I mean shes crying at the end, obviously showing it wasnt where she wanted to be.

 

[Siby]

Ah yes, I forgot about the passive aggressive "deal" Young offered. lol Sorry, I'm a bit under the weather today.

You're right, she essentially had no choice but go with Young. But that brings up another point, why didn't Scott jump faster as the other soldiers did? Maybe because of Chloe?

 

[GL1]

Young gave TJ an emotional reason to return. "I need you." He leveraged their relationship, and he knows her well enough to know that that's all it takes. He probably, being the kind of guy he is, had never said any such thing before. So yeah, she changed her mind really fast, because she was subjected to profound emotionally charged information really fast, under stressful circumstances to boot.

She's crying for the reason she stated: she can't stand the thought of raising a baby on Destiny. She chose to be there, and chose Young's welfare over her baby's welfare. Terrifying, really. That's why she's sad.

Scott was also emotional, he was thinking about Chloe, either he or the camera purposefully looked back at her during decision time for Scott. I'm still not clear on just what happened at the end.

Also, Young did not FORCE the civilians to come with him, he simply removed their military infrastructure. If the civilians REALLY believed in the aliens, they would have stayed. The only reason they'll never know is because only one had faith. In fact, it's not clear whether they left him or not. He forced the military, which is well within his legal rights.

 

[Happenstance]

Im not sure if thats directed at me but if it is, I never said he forced the civilians. I said he said he would force them along with the military if the military personel didnt return on their own. Im still assuming some of the civilians stayed on the planet.

 

[GhostPoet]

So, at the beginning of the last episode...I was so excited. Finally! They are going to get to explore some ancient ruins on a strange, alien world.

And by the end of the episode I was extremely dissapointed. They barely touched on the alien object. The mystery of how that world was seemingly created out of thin air...unresolved and barely even touched on.

It was just a bunch of people whining on the ship and others living like space amish on the planet for a month. That was it.

bleh.

 

[Dr Lee]

un-resolved for now...... hopefully. it would be interesting to see if they have any more on who the aliens are either during the remainder of this season or in S2

 

[Siby]

So, at the beginning of the last episode...I was so excited. Finally! They are going to get to explore some ancient ruins on a strange, alien world.

And by the end of the episode I was extremely dissapointed. They barely touched on the alien object. The mystery of how that world was seemingly created out of thin air...unresolved and barely even touched on.

It was just a bunch of people whining on the ship and others living like space amish on the planet for a month. That was it.

bleh.

I agree, I was really looking forward to this mystery but they never did anything with it. Given the premise of the show it will be very hard to revisit previous mysteries because Destiny will be million of light years away.

I was also wondering how can someone track the Destiny when it is moving faster than light? That would mean that the tracking signal would be going faster than faster than light.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I was also wondering how can someone track the Destiny when it is moving faster than light? That would mean that the tracking signal would be going faster than faster than light.

Subspace signals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace_(Star_Trek)

 

[Superfreak]

I agree, I was really looking forward to this mystery but they never did anything with it. Given the premise of the show it will be very hard to revisit previous mysteries because Destiny will be million of light years away.

I was also wondering how can someone track the Destiny when it is moving faster than light? That would mean that the tracking signal would be going faster than faster than light.

... subspace... things in subspace actually move faster than light/energy

 

[C. Lee]

So, at the beginning of the last episode...I was so excited. Finally! They are going to get to explore some ancient ruins on a strange, alien world.

And by the end of the episode I was extremely dissapointed. They barely touched on the alien object. The mystery of how that world was seemingly created out of thin air...unresolved and barely even touched on.

It was just a bunch of people whining on the ship and others living like space amish on the planet for a month. That was it.

bleh.

Instant gratification is not what this show is about. It was the first or second episode that showed a hidden alien ship lifting off of theirs.....and they came back 10 or so episodes later. The aliens that made the star and planet will surely return in the future.

 

[Superfreak]

Instant gratification is not what this show is about. It was the first or second episode that showed a hidden alien ship lifting off of theirs.....and they came back 10 or so episodes later. The aliens that made the star and planet will surely return in the future.

you know, I wonder if TV production companies have any economists, crunching the numbers to see what the 'optimal' rate of 'build up' is? So I wonder, what is the optimal time to delay narrative gratification? (ie. at what point is the delay too long, causing audience to stop watching?... and at what point is gratification delivered too early?)

I bring this up, because I personally thought the first half of the season wasn't good enough to wipe number 2 with. But these last three since the break have been good. But I have to say, by the fall finale, I was pretty much ready to give up on this show and it's snail's pace.

 

[GL1]

Im not sure if thats directed at me but if it is, I never said he forced the civilians. I said he said he would force them along with the military if the military personel didnt return on their own. Im still assuming some of the civilians stayed on the planet.

It wasn't directed very well at all. Just a shotgun blast for whosoever disagreed with the given points.

I'm still a bit put off on how open that was. Chloe came back, other civillians didn't? Confused.

you know, I wonder if TV production companies have any economists, crunching the numbers to see what the 'optimal' rate of 'build up' is? So I wonder, what is the optimal time to delay narrative gratification? (ie. at what point is the delay too long, causing audience to stop watching?... and at what point is gratification delivered too early?

They try, but they keep looking at LOST, which throws any kind of consideration towards timely gratification out the window, and the execs get all confused.

And whatever they do have, they can't seem to get creators to make a storyline scientifically, and if they do, it flops, cuz there's no art in it. I don't think anyone has both the creative genius and opportunity to make a show simultaneously artistically and scientifically.

 

[Siby]

So wait, you guys are saying some of the civilians stayed behind on the Eden planet? I'm calling it that because it was so perfect, like the Garden of Eden. What leads you to believe that some people stayed behind? I might have missed that from the episode.

 

[wiegeabo]

When everyone was deciding what side to be on (Destiny or planet) several civilians stay on the planet side behind Scott and TJ.

 

[Arbiter]

I just hope next episode destiny somehow gets a message from sgc saying some aliens just dropped off a bunch of people they found on their planet lol

 

[Siby]

I just hope next episode destiny somehow gets a message from sgc saying some aliens just dropped off a bunch of people they found on their planet lol

With one particular guy who keeps calling them gods and praying to them all the time so they can't get any work done.

 

[Superfreak]

They try, but they keep looking at LOST, which throws any kind of consideration towards timely gratification out the window, and the execs get all confused.

And whatever they do have, they can't seem to get creators to make a storyline scientifically, and if they do, it flops, cuz there's no art in it. I don't think anyone has both the creative genius and opportunity to make a show simultaneously artistically and scientifically.

this is interesting, because it seems that's what they were trying to do with season 1.5, but IMO, it was kind of unsuccessful.

 

[GL1]

this is interesting, because it seems that's what they were trying to do with season 1.5, but IMO, it was kind of unsuccessful.

Silly executives.

When everyone was deciding what side to be on (Destiny or planet) several civilians stay on the planet side behind Scott and TJ.

Including Chloe, who ended up on the ship.

I'm still confused.

I just hope next episode destiny somehow gets a message from sgc saying some aliens just dropped off a bunch of people they found on their planet lol

Hilarious.

 

[GhostPoet]

Instant gratification is not what this show is about. It was the first or second episode that showed a hidden alien ship lifting off of theirs.....and they came back 10 or so episodes later. The aliens that made the star and planet will surely return in the future.

Unfortunetly, because of the break...the signifance of the alien ship lifting off didn't really make much of an impact on me. If they had kept the season running non-stop...it might have felt a bit more signifant to me.

That or i'm just tired of them not really doing anything except complaining.

 

[Paradox1]

... subspace... things in subspace actually move faster than light/energy

I actually thought subspace was something like a wormhole that folds the fabric of space time onto itself to make communication possible. At least in Star Trek that is how I thought the tech worked.

 

[wiegeabo]

Nope. That's not even how it works in Star Trek. Although that's sort of how transwarp works in Star Trek.

 

[wiegeabo]

Great, my double posts are back.

 

[Paradox1]

Nope. That's not even how it works in Star Trek. Although that's sort of how transwarp works in Star Trek.

Maybe so but I thought it would be easier to punch a small hole in space/time that a signal can cross through rather then a big one that a ship can pass through. Star Trek never really dove to into wormhole at all besides that there are natural occurrences and that there are aliens who live in at least one of them.

 

[wiegeabo]

In Trek, subspace is a layer or continuum that exists within the universe (almost like another layer). This is the most accessible definition I've found for Trek subspace:

Subspace is not in an alternate reality, or "place", or space-time
where things go - or at least, they don't go in the world of Star
Trek. It is not entered by a starship at warp. A ship creates a
subspace field which acts like another universe very tightly coupled
to our own. If I was inside such a field and you were outside, we
could conduct a conversation, shake hands, etc. But when the field is
powerful enough (1000 millicochranes or more) and asymmetric, it is
propulsive. Nested, decoupling fields magnify the effect considerably.
But the ship still interacts with everything in our universe, and vice
versa, as the level of subspace in which the field exists is so
tightly coupled to our own that it appears no "fancier" than, say, a
magnetic field, if you're looking closely at it.

The weakest subspace fields do appear very similar to traditional
fields, like magnetic fields. They have associated particles (see
below), can be bound to objects ("Phantasms" [TNG]), can be used for
transmissions (subspace radio), and generally unremarkable on their
own other than as residue from more powerful effects.

So, in subspace communications, it's not like a wormhole is opened, or space is folded, and a transmission is sent through. Subspace is actually being used as the transmission medium because subspace signals are being sent.