State your opinion a character

[sandwraith]

Mar-Vell? Dunno. I never read his original series or the Peter David-penned one with Genis-Vell but I do give the character props for being a Starlin character with a more or less...defined history in the Marvel Universe.

An okay character whose death was more of an event than his exploits in life.

He did make for an awesome twist villain in The Thanos Imperative but other than that, his powers were never really fleshed out to begin with. With the likes of Heralds, Asgardians and Mutants of varying power levels running about, Mar-Vell never seemed to really shine for a guy who was supposed to be a somewhat high-powered character.

Heck he even had Thanos in his rogues gallery but Thanos is more well known from his appearances in Silver Surfer or the Infinity Saga than any battles against Mar-Vell.

Like I said, interesting lore character...but that's about it.

Oh, and all his kids were either homosexual or messed up. Now, I won't hold it against Hulkling or Phyla for being homosexual but you all have to admit, Genis got pretty messed up in the end. Maybe its a blessing Mar-Vell didn't live to see the fruit of his loins go so...awry.

 

[runawayboulder]

He's been dead for so long he's insignificant at this point.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Next character is the field general of the x-men.

This man does not get the credit he deserves. He has tremendous ability and it's usually overlooked by more popular characters like wolverine, jean, and magneto. The man defeated apocalypse before. Thats a hell of an accomplishment. And I loved how loyal he as to professor x during the ww hulk series. He did everything he could to keep hulk away. even peeled the mans skin with his optic blast.

Also this guy isn't to shabby in the ladies department with jean and emma frost.

But he was butchered in the films. He wan't treated with respect. In each film his screen time continued to be limited, he then he was killed off -_-

 

[Anubis]

You're not even giving them enough time man.

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't agree with that at all. Cyclops gets a ton of credit as being a great leader, skilled fighter and master tactician on a damn near Captain America level. The problem many have is with how writers have evolved him from what Lobdell and Morrison started to turn him into - most would say militant. Thankfully they have shied away from that since Second Coming and he's slowly recovering into a more level headed person.

 

[Max J Power]

Cyclops is an unlikable bastard--in a way that's interesting. I haven't read much X-Men in the last couple years (I got off that train when the amount of crossovers increased), so I don't know what's going on with him now, but I've really enjoyed the "fall" of Cyclops' character that started with Morrison's run. Some writers made him out to be too much of a good guy, but the better ones raised good questions about how far Cyclops was removed from Xavier's original vision of the X-Men.

Before that, Cyclops was a good "straight man" but tended not to have as much personality as the other X-Men.

 

[runawayboulder]

Cyke sucked back when the Blue Team was formed. He was basically a wooden board with a visor on it. And I was a huge Cyclops fan prior in X-Factor. I hated him all the way up to Eve of Destruction when he became interesting again.

 

[TheBadGuy]

You're not even giving them enough time man.

Captain Marvell was not well received, as he's been dead for so long. so i didn't feel the need to keep him going.

 

[Anubis]

You'd be surprised how quickly a dud can turn into a decent conversation.

 

[runawayboulder]

It's a good rule of thumb to leave it for close to 24 hrs so everybody get's a chance to have their say. It works pretty good for the Marvel vs DC thread.

 

[TheBadGuy]

It's a good rule of thumb to leave it for close to 24 hrs so everybody get's a chance to have their say. It works pretty good for the Marvel vs DC thread.

Your completely right. That's what my intentions are. 24 hours minimum from here on.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Cyclops?

Best "unpowered" tactician (Steve Rogers cheats with the super serum which must hasten the blood flow), or maybe not so unpowered.

Also perhaps a little better strategist (as in thinking about the X-Men future) than Steve Rogers.

 

[TheBadGuy]

I think this thread has gotten just a little off track or at least a part of it has been forgotten.

No one is speaking about the characters in film. Whether they were betrayed correctly or COULD they be betrayed on film etc.

Speaking about the character in the comics is a MUST and basically the essence of this discussion but let's also expand it into film.

 

[Anubis]

Ummm, this is the comics boards.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

edit: eh, i'm staying out of this one, thread has a bad vibe.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Ummm, this is the comics boards.

Yes because this discussion fits best on this board. But if you read the first post of this thread film is mentioned. Film will only be a small part of the discussion but nonetheless a part of it. It's not hard to do so.

 

[TheBadGuy]

edit: eh, i'm staying out of this one, thread has a bad vibe.

I saw what you wrote before you edited what you said and I'm glad you decided to keep your unwanted opinion about me to yourself. I'm 100 percent sure i know more about the comics than you anyways but that neither here nor there.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I saw what you wrote before you edited what you said and I'm glad you decided to keep your unwanted opinion about me to yourself. I'm 100 percent sure i know more about the comics than you anyways but that neither here nor there.

Anubis and runawayboulder suggested you keep the Mar-Vell discussion open for 24 hrs...you completely ignored them.

You are now coming in with a post trying to tell people what to discuss, talking to them in a disrespectful tone as if they are idiots.

You're not fit to run this thread, you're ruining it, that's one discussion over already that could have been good.

and as for the comics pedigree, I might have been out of the loop with the modern superhero comics for a while, but I'm not some unknown guy coming in and taking over the thread without asking anyone if it's ok, interrupting discussions that are underway far too early, ignoring people's suggestions and telling them what they should be discussing.

If you had any respect for the posters here you would step aside and let a respected long term member run the thread, for the benefit of everyone's enjoyment.

But, you don't, your just some kid who is here for attention and to get a kick out of weilding a bit of 'power', you're not even taking part in the discussions.

edit: hell, i wouldn't be surprised if you were getting your 'comic facts' off of your mates or wikipedia, and that's why you were trying to steer the focus onto the movies, so you could say something yourself.

 

[Anubis]

Annnd now we've gone off the rails.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Eh, I didn't like the way he spoke to people back there, esp since he's not contributing to any discussions, or the way he ignored the suggestions.

I'm just stating the obvious. I'll be the bad guy, anyway, I'll stay outta this one.

I doubt this guy will even take anyone else's suggestions, he's got an agenda and he's gonna pursue it.

 

[E-Man]

I agree with Anubis about the time thing. I like Captain Marvel in all three main Marvel incarnations. The original Mar-Vell was pretty cool, PAD made Genis(Ginny) a really cool character too. There is also plenty of love in my world for Monica Rambeau too. I think that these things should be one character a day. Kind of like the MarvelXDC thread.

As for Cyclops. I just kinda accept him. The only times I find myself hating him is when the writers make it seem like he's the only X-Man with a relevant opinion. I accept him as the guy who is going to be the leader, but he really shouldn't be the only guy who has any power. Of all the X-Men that have been there for years there should be many more opinions than his. When he packed them up and moved them to Utopia there should have been plenty of X-Men from the older eras telling him that they're doing their own thing. I haven't read the story of them moving to Utopia yet, but people like Angel, Beast, Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler, etc. should have a bigger say in the matters of what goes on with the X-Men. I really don't hate the character, but that he's become like Ryo from Ronin Warriors where the leader seems to be the only guy that matters.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well in his defense he didn't totally ignore my suggestion, he said he would leave the topic open longer.

But he is totally steering the conversation towards film and I think that restricts the thread. It should be open to all versions of the character......even the crappy Ultimate ones.

My suggestion is to just ignore him. He has no control over closing the thread now, only a mod can do that. Not to mention the fact he's been banned twice and came back under a different user name and none of the mods have caught him yet. Let him bring on his own downfall.

Peace and love, peace and love!

 

[TheBadGuy]

I agree with Anubis about the time thing. I like Captain Marvel in all three main Marvel incarnations. The original Mar-Vell was pretty cool, PAD made Genis(Ginny) a really cool character too. There is also plenty of love in my world for Monica Rambeau too. I think that these things should be one character a day. Kind of like the MarvelXDC thread.

As for Cyclops. I just kinda accept him. The only times I find myself hating him is when the writers make it seem like he's the only X-Man with a relevant opinion. I accept him as the guy who is going to be the leader, but he really shouldn't be the only guy who has any power. Of all the X-Men that have been there for years there should be many more opinions than his. When he packed them up and moved them to Utopia there should have been plenty of X-Men from the older eras telling him that they're doing their own thing. I haven't read the story of them moving to Utopia yet, but people like Angel, Beast, Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler, etc. should have a bigger say in the matters of what goes on with the X-Men. I really don't hate the character, but that he's become like Ryo from Ronin Warriors where the leader seems to be the only guy that matters.

Perfectly said. I would lve to see a little conflict between he and another x-man that is not wolverine on his leadership. I mean I want someone to say no to him but because it's the right thing to do. Beast opposing him would be for an interesting read.

 

[E-Man]

Yeah, Beast is a really smart guy. So is Storm. Nightcrawler and Colossus are pretty articulate when written well too. They should have bigger voices in the whole matter. No one does anything for over a decade and hasn't moved up in rank at all. Even people working in the glass ceiling corporate world have some kind of control over what they do. I want to see the other characters of the X-Men expand. To me it feels as if the only people that matter are Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, and whatever teen character they're pushing at the time. The worst thing is a person like Emma having as much control as she does. She was a villain for years, and now she's running things over people who used to fight her. I'm not opposed to her having a large role since she is intelligent and capable of leading, but not when all the other classic X-Men are just background players who don't do much.

 

[runawayboulder]

I think people fail to remember that Emma has been a hero now longer than she ever was a villain.