State Your Opinion on A Character

[kytrigger]

Heh, you'd be surprised.

There's actually people that are pissed they gave Blade Powers. Shocking I know.

The only thing that's confusing about Hawkman came about as a result of COIE.

They came in and revamped the character with Hawkworld. Now, granted, Hawkworld was an awesome story, but what it should have been was an elseworlds and left it at that. They brought Katar Hol and his Hawkwoman in, and they were kinda popular for awhile, but then, as is often the case, they wanted to bring the original back. This is where it all falls apart. They killed Katar off, then combined his soul with Carter Hall and a whole lot of other stupid, confusing mumbo jumbo, and now you got the mess that is Hawkman.

It's simple really. Lose Hawkworld and just stick with Carter Hall. That's all that was ever needed.

Yeah there are people that care about teh changes to Blade, but nobody gives a **** about them. It's not the the outrage that would happen if they did that Batman script where Selina was a hooker, Alfred was a mechanic, and Bruce Wayne was a crazy guy punching people with a giant ring.


Another reason I would want them to keep the reincarnation angle is in case they ever a a captain Marvel movie and have pieces in ancient Egypt he could be in it (similar to the JSA run where Jay went back in time to ancient Egypt, hung out with Black Adam, and fought Vandal Savage.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, that's one of my favorite aspects of the reincarnation thing. That he hung out with Teth F**kin' Adam and the first Doctor Fate. Awesome.

 

[Cain]

Do yo guys think Hawkman could carry his own film?

If done right it could be a wild combination of elements from Raiders with a dash of What Dreams May Come and a fantasy film. But WB is not in the business of presenting any of their characters outside of Batman on the big screen in a good light so that could never be.

 

[kytrigger]

Yeah, that's one of my favorite aspects of the reincarnation thing. That he hung out with Teth F**kin' Adam and the first Doctor Fate. Awesome.

Say what you will about him now, but I loved some of Geoff Johns stories in JSA, especially ones with the Marvel fmaily. The ancient Egypt one, and the whole reforming of Black Adam from villain to anti-hero and freeing/ruling Kahndaq. I also dug the weird love story between Billy Batson and Stargirl, where Jay just starts thinking Captain Marvel is a perv.

 

[WompuM]

I remember very much enjoying that JSA story years ago alone in my parents' basement after a con.

 

[sandwraith]

I'd like to see how he could carry an animated short much less a feature film.

Get Bruce Timm and Co. to make him a Showcase. Brainstorm ideas, give us a 15-20 minute taste of what good might come from the Hawks as a character and get feedback from the viewers.

If positive enough, then start to work seriously on it. But to me, Hawkman's always been a bit of a niche character.

 

[TenFold]

Thank you for the opinions.. now onto another character

The Question

 

[sandwraith]

I liked him in JLU...Just not sure how he's relevant when there are admittedly better detectives than him (Tim Drake, Bruce Wayne just to name a few). I guess the Question got the short end of the straw. I liked him in the Huntress:Cry for Justice mini a couple of years back, gave him this pseudo-Zen student persona.

I think what the Question lacks is a villain, a foil to his character. If he were to be the Sherlock Holmes of the DCU he'd need to have a Moriarty. And this problem is inherited by successor Rene Montoya.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Rorschach is better.

I thought Batman is the Sherlock of the DCU.

 

[sandwraith]

Rorschach is better.

I thought Batman is the Sherlock of the DCU.

Rorschach was based on the Question. As to whether he's better is debatable.

As for who is the Sherlock of DC, there are WAY to many candidates.

 

[chiefchirpa]

^ I know. Rorschach is still better.

Yes, it's a crowd and unfortunately, #1 de facto character is also a Sherlock.

 

[Mystirious]

I actually like Montoya better as the Question rather than Vic Sage in the comics

Vic was like a possum in JLU though

Yes. Yes she is.

Her superpower is to confuzzle you with her continuity @_@

 

[WompuM]

You guys are missing the point here with the Question. Yes, he is a detective, but comparing him to Bruce or Tim is apples and oranges. Go watch CSI and then watch Chinatown. Both are technically about detectives, but the results couldn't be more different. Whereas Bruce and Tim will have the Bat-Computer analyze the dirt off of a guy's boot and cross it with the Oracle database of Middle-Eastern clay dealers, The Question will be at the docks making life hell for guys until he gets what he wants. Whereas Batman (in comics moreso than film) is a forensic driven detective, The Question is a gumshoe -- a street level do-gooder who is out to find connections and will find himself over his head time and time again because he's not afraid to ask the questions others won't. Now, obviously, my analysis of The Question is based mostly on Vic Sage (whom God-willing, will return in the coming months), but all of these attributes could be seen with Montoya as well. Frankly, if she would get her **** together and act like the Montoya of old instead of being such a *****, I would have no problem with her taking up the mantle. She just needs to deeper and not be so afraid of sounding crazy. Frankly, I think her character was wasted in Final Crisis. 5 Books of Blood could have been her finding out about the oncoming storm before anyone else, but instead it was just a lead-in to Revelations and had her become a cult leader (for realz!?). Like Hawkman, I do not believe the world is ready for a Question feature film yet, but the way he was used in JLU was incredibly well done and if that could translate, you'd have one excited Wompster.
Now, as for the New Age mystic side of the character that was actually surprisingly evident in 52, I'm not sure where I stand on it. I've only read the beginning of the O'Niel series of the Question, so I was never able to see how that side of the character evolved. Honestly, going back to Chinatown, I have a hard time seeing such a paranoid hardnose shamus believe in such nonsense. Even the advanced martial arts of the characters puts him too close to Batman. The Question should be a scrapper, a rough-house, a fighter, a man who's not afraid to ask . . . The Question.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm hoping Montoya is still the Question after the relaunch and shows up in the Bat comics. I'd love to see her written the way you describe there and I'd love to see her interacting with some of the cast of Gotham Central again

 

[E-Man]

I loved him in JLU. I just have never got around to reading him in the comics. I've heard a bunch of good stuff about the comics too. I'm basically a bad person for putting it off for so many years.

 

[Kitsune]

I actually like Montoya better as the Question rather than Vic Sage in the comics

Vic was like a possum in JLU though

Dr. Moon: You stole files from our computer. Just tell me what you've learned.
The Question: Topically applied fluoride doesn't prevent tooth decay! It does render teeth detectable by spy satellite!
Dr. Moon: [shocks The Question] Tell me what you know.
The Question: The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister!
Dr. Moon: [shocks The Question] Tell me what you know.
The Question: There was a magic bullet. It was forged by Illuminati mystics to prevent us from learning the truth!

 

[Anubis]

JLU Vic was awesome.

 

[TenFold]

Would a movie about the Question work? He is a detective but would people think he's a rip off of Sherlock Holmes, the general audience that is.

 

[Anubis]

The General Audience are idiots.

 

[TenFold]

The General Audience are idiots.

you don't have to tell me twice. they are the reason why our comics get butchered on the big screen and why many of them aren't made

 

[twylight]

Sherlock and Vic are based on completely different templates as far as I'm concerned. If they made a movie about Montoya's Question though. Minds would be blown, not exactly an archetype that people compute with a female.

As for The Question as a character, I really like it. It's an everyman character that reminds me of very noir PI's and the old fashioned, hard pushing, journalists with a liberal douse of conspiracy theorist thrown in.

I read a few comics with Vic, like one or two and the 52 when Montoya took over, that's about it. I loved him in JLU though, probably one of the better character portrayals in that series.

 

[Mystirious]

Dr. Moon: You stole files from our computer. Just tell me what you've learned.
The Question: Topically applied fluoride doesn't prevent tooth decay! It does render teeth detectable by spy satellite!
Dr. Moon: [shocks The Question] Tell me what you know.
The Question: The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister!
Dr. Moon: [shocks The Question] Tell me what you know.
The Question: There was a magic bullet. It was forged by Illuminati mystics to prevent us from learning the truth!

Don't forget his theory about Baskin Robbins ice cream

The General Audience are idiots.

That be the truth

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved him in JLU. I just have never got around to reading him in the comics. I've heard a bunch of good stuff about the comics too. I'm basically a bad person for putting it off for so many years.

Well, it didn't help that they killed him off in 52 like right after that big chunk of Question-being-awesome-with-Huntress JLU episodes aired. I still don't get why DC did that.

 

[Anubis]

I just blame Didio.

 

[sandwraith]

And...Tenfold got Banned. Why?