Strongest Reality Manipulator????

[nickrut]

As the title says, who would you say is the strongest reality manipulator and give evidence?

I'd say Jim Jaspers due to the fact that his galaxy had to be destroyed to destroy him, and the fact that he was that much of a concern anyway. Cast your arguments

 

[KingOfDreams]

Scarlet Witch - House of M

 

[cerealkiller182]

I think its hard to say who has the strongest reality manipulator because most of them are either insane or can't control their own powers.

ie
Scarlet Witch (insane and no control)
Jamie Braddock (quesionable sanity-i think)
Proteus (no control)


I think the strongest could be Franklin Richards considering he created a pocket universe at a very young age.

 

[Roughneck]

Who the heck is Jim Jaspers?

 

[KingOfDreams]

I think the strongest could be Franklin Richards considering he created a pocket universe at a very young age.

true

 

[Exploding Boy]

Franklin Richards all the way

 

[nickrut]

But adult franklin richards never matched up to the potential he showed by creating the pocket universe so im not too sure, then again i could be totally wrong. And Scarlett's power didnt have any effect on jamie so its safe to say he's stronger than her

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Franklin Richards (as an adult of course)

 

[Elijya]

Wouldn't anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet beat all these people? You guys remember all the crazy stuff Thanos, Warlock, and the Magus were doing once they got their hands on it, right? And these guys were in control, too, not off-the-wall like Braddock or Proteus or only using it subconsciously like Franklin.

 

[iambilly81]

franklin when all grown up.. the witch right now.

 

[thealiasman2000]

What about Phoenix?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

wouldn't onslaught with x-man and franklin be right at the top of the hypothetical pole

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Wouldn't anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet beat all these people? You guys remember all the crazy stuff Thanos, Warlock, and the Magus were doing once they got their hands on it, right? And these guys were in control, too, not off-the-wall like Braddock or Proteus or only using it subconsciously like Franklin.

i don't think weapons are being focuessed on.

it's like have a vs thread and saying 'wouldn't *insert dude* win with a *insert weapon*?

unless the power of the weapon is dependant on the user's own ability like a green latern ring.

 

[Elijya]

unless the power of the weapon is dependant on the user's own ability like a green latern ring.

pretty sure it is, I don't think just anybody can use the Gauntlet. When Magus and Warlock both had their hands on it, it was a duel of willpower and personality to see who would dominate control

 

[Elijya]

What about Phoenix?

Can't say as I've ever seen the Phoenix manipulate reality

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

but unless the gauntlett is a natural weapon to a given character, i don't feel the character should be counted

is this making sense?

 

[Elijya]

well, you added "onslaught with x-man and franklin", seems kind of the same thing

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

nate grey and franklin richards aren't officially classed as weapons.

that was more of a fusion of abilities rather than purely harnessing the power of an inanimate object and wielding it as such.


i probably haven't wriggled out of this enough but i'll keep wriggling dammit...

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Who the heck is Jim Jaspers?

Mad Jim Jaspers: 1; 2


And he gets my vote. Dude could warp reality on a universal scale. Took the destruction of his entire dimension to stop him. And that was the weaker version of Jaspers; the 616 version was much more powerful (classified as a multiversal level threat).

 

[cerealkiller182]

But adult franklin richards never matched up to the potential he showed by creating the pocket universe so im not too sure, then again i could be totally wrong. And Scarlett's power didnt have any effect on jamie so its safe to say he's stronger than her

when did they show him as an adult

 

[Elijya]

nate grey and franklin richards aren't officially classed as weapons.

that was more of a fusion of abilities rather than purely harnessing the power of an inanimate object and wielding it as such.


i probably haven't wriggled out of this enough but i'll keep wriggling dammit...

Maybe. But come on, if you have Iron Man vs. Hulk or whatever, you don't discount IMs armor

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Maybe. But come on, if you have Iron Man vs. Hulk or whatever, you don't discount IMs armor

yeah but i already said before that (and this is probably going to ruin my argument), that the weapons stated should be part of their make up (ie when being described, they should always be a constant referral).

ie surfer's board
wolvie's claws
gambit with cards
er....onslaught with two cosmic beings in his belly (yeah i lose but who cares....)

although one can say onslaught is not fully onslaught without their presence and hence it becomes some sort of anomoly...

kinda like how in db gogeta is basically a being using up goku and vegeta as weapons while sharing the same goal. If one is extracted, the being no longer can exist in that form.

*clutches straws, lots of them*

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Hyperstorm. He conquered the Marvel universe of his future timeline. I think they said that he killed all the cosmics. He was the son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers.

 

[nickrut]

Could hyperstorm even alter reality? And onslaught doesnt count cause hes like a fusion of a few characters, which is crap. I guess its between Braddock, Richards andddd Jaspers

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I'd probably say it'd be up between Beyonder but if you want to scale down, X-Man, Franklin, Onslaught, and jaspers.