"Subtext"

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Mark having problems with gambling fits quite well. It's now more clear that this Mark is a fusion of Betty Brant's brother who was involved with Blackie in the comics and who also had several gambling debts, and the 616 Molten Man.

Of course, in the comics Betty's brother was killed in the crossfire which Betty blamed Spidey for. Here, Spidey's involvement might cause Molten Man.

That's pretty much what I've been speculating as well. After all, since Betty Brant in this series is older than Peter and politely rejected him when he asked her out, Liz Allen pretty much fills Betty's role from the comics in terms of her character arc. Betty was jealous of Liz in the comics, and Liz is jealous of Gwen in the series; Betty's brother had a gambling problem in the comics, Liz's brother has a gambling problem in the series, etc.
 
The description hints that Mark becomes Molten Man in this episode though. Let's see how it turns out.
 
yea i cant wait to see how this episodes unfolds and cant wait to see what molten man looks like.
 
I get it now. Thanks, Anwar and Whiplash. So, pretty much, Mark is like Bennett in the comics. Great change of character.
 
Curious to see who the scientist Norman was hinting at is...

- I was thinking it could be Warren: but if he took over the ESU labs from Connors how would he take Otto's place? I know he's smart but could he manage working at ESU AND Oscorp at the same time?

- Could it be the Tinkerer? He may be still a bit small time for Norman to talk him up that much.

- If it was a new character it could be a Smythe, Stillwell or even Strom!


Can't wait to see how they handle Molten Man. Sounds like a fun episode, and one I've been looking forward too all season. Lets hope it can top Gangland!
 
I need to see this episode immediately.
 
Patiently waiting for a torrent to come online............. until then, RECAP Season 2.
 
- If it was a new character it could be a Smythe, Stillwell or even Strom!
Well, SpaceWay pretty much blatantly implied who it is. Of course, I wouldn't mind it being Smythe, since that's a character who really needs to make an appearance soon. I doubt that it's Stillwell though, given that he was a scientist who was simply desperate for money. He doesn't really match the description given by Norman in Probable Cause.

It is interesting that we haven't heard anything about Stromm at this point, though. I wonder if he'll be making an appearance at all in the next arc?
 
I got some more spoilers from the same guy in Australia. Not a very detailed spoiler, but better than nothing. Besides, who wants to be too spoiled before the end of the season two?

"Okay, we knew Molten Man was appearing. Just getting it out of the way.

Like the start of last season's Green Goblin arc, it's a "how we got here" flashback episode (this one's done slightly differently).

Looks like New Gwen (or should she technically be called Gwen Classic?) is here to stay.

Someone other than MJ has a wonderful personality. *shudder*

Three guesses who Norman replaced Otto with."
Sounds awesome!
 
how soon will a torrent be up of this episode??
 
I'm sure youtube will have it up by tomorrow night the latest.
 
I can wait. We've had like 3 episodes in the last week. We're way ahead of schedule.
 
Awww, come on, don't be a tease!

If you don't want to say it, send me a PM, please.
 
puhpuh puhleeeessse
n/m i found it on awesome toons
 
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I'll be seeing soon.
 
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just watched it. very good episode.

Gwen looks like in Gangland. Norman's scientist is Miles. And there's a little hint that he (Norman) is the Goblin. Peter makes things up with Liz. now about Molten Man - Mark is gambling and Blackie is his bookie. Gobby shows up and makes Gaxton his first leutenant.

pic of Molten Man
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7045/bscap023.jpg
 
Yeah, I watched it too. A good episode, but I'm not too fond of Molten Man's look. The hair kills it for me.
 
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Wow, I just watched Subtext. While it's not technically as great an episode as Gangland, I found it in some ways to be even more impressive. It's even tighter and will probably hold up to scrutiny a lot better. It was hands down Kevin Alteri's best episode, and given the way he's handled action-packed episodes this season, that's saying a hell of a lot. Molten Man makes his debut. Obviously. With this being his first animated appearance ever, he can definitely be considered Spider-Man's most neglected classic villain over the years. Can his Spectacular iteration possibly make up for that? Does it ever.

Details on Mark's character were only vaguely alluded to in previous episodes, but we can now confirm what I previously suspected: this version of Mark Allan is a combination of Mark Raxton and Bennett Brant (Betty's brother from an early ASM story) from the comics. I'd go as far as to say that neither character was particularly strong in the comics, but here their traits are tied together so seamlessly that I'd dare to call both character fragments a single great idea that tragically, due to some cosmic interference, never came together in Stan Lee's eccentric imagination.

In the comics, Mark Raxton was a greedy, profit-driven scientist who got his just desserts in a random lab accident. As much as I would've liked to see Spencer Smythe somehow involved in this incident as he was in the comics, the way Mark Allen's fate was portrayed here was much harsher. It was his own undoing, and cannot be pinned on something as contrived as a lab accident. Combining his negative traits with those of Bennett Brant did soften the resulting character somewhat, but also introduced a new hint of depth and significance beyond simply being the brother of Peter Parker's first girlfriend.

I initially thought that skipping Bennett Brant's somewhat notable story in the comics was an obvious way of avoiding a character death in the series. But now I've come to believe that death was all too cheap a fate for Bennett to face for his gambling problem. This notion was further driven home by the fact that this episode marked the first time we've seen characters killed on-screen in this series. (It was a bit ambiguous, but there's no way that those thugs survived that pumpkin bomb explosion.) Unlike Bennett, Mark pays a much more direct and tragic price for his bad habits, with Blackie Gaxton subjecting him to a questionable experiment. Heck, I'm almost tempted to say that being injected with an experimental substance can be seen as a more realistic fate in Bennett/Mark's predicament, flamboyant super powers aside.

This experiment, of course, was performed by Norman Osborn's new mad scientist for hire... whom I don't think I even need to bother identifying. You should have all figured that out by now. But needless to say, things do not go well for Mark. He has become a truly tragic character, and the frantic action and carnage that inevitably ensues around him only drive this home further. With Liz and MJ caught in the middle of it all, it's amazing just how personal the whole situation feels, but at the same time the character connections and motivations are so well established and laid-out that none of it ever feels like a coincidence.

And Green Goblin? Devious in more ways than ever, thanks quite a bit to how much time he spends doing things besides flying on his glider. But if they're still trying to lead the audience to believe that there's even a remote possibility that Harry is the Green Goblin, this episode certainly didn't do a very good job. But I can't say I'm too concerned about that.

I've been waiting for this episode for a long time, and it definitely surpassed my expectations. I think virtually the only criticism I can think of is that everyone was able to recognize Mark's voice beneath Molten Man's fiery exterior, yet none of these people can recognize Peter's voice behind Spider-Man's mask.
 

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