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[Gilpesh]

Now, given one potentially-unjustified infraction isn't really reason to put the entire staff down.

Yeah. He should definitely wait for a few more before he does that.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Yeah. He should definitely wait for a few more before he does that.

Unjustified infractions can easily be reversed, though. Tell someone ([cough]me[/cough]) and they'll smooth it over. It's no biggie!

 

[Gilpesh]

Unjustified infractions can easily be reversed, though. Tell someone ([cough]me[/cough]) and they'll smooth it over. It's no biggie!

Except when an unjustified infraction triggers.... THE AUTOBAN.




What?



Oh....


Not the road.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Hahaha, that's true. Though, I imagine if the auto-ban infraction is reversed, so is the ban? Maybe?

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I kind of like Bamfer as a mod now.

Seems....nicer?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Yeah, don't bet on it.

 

[Gilpesh]

Hahaha, that's true. Though, I imagine if the auto-ban infraction is reversed, so is the ban? Maybe?

Not if those individuals you spoke of earlier don't feel like it.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Yeah, don't bet on it.

I had 500 on it and was going to split it 250/250 with you. :/

 

[Motown Marvel]

Yes, Hobgoblin advised you to take the issue to this thread, so, I don't feel it inappropriate to post my opinion. I would not have infracted you for the second post, and am not sure why Hobgoblin did. I'm not saying this to disrespect him, as I'm sure there could have been a misunderstanding.

Like Marx said, all infractions can be reviewed by the entire staff. In fact, when someone's given an infraction, a special thread is automatically created and many of us frequent these infraction threads. Even had you not mentioned the issue, I'm sure some of us would have discovered it soon enough.

The censor bypass infraction you received, however, is a valid infraction. This rule has been present as far back as I can remember - and, look at that! I've been here seven years, too. And I've been a moderator (on and off) for the past two years.

Now, given one potentially-unjustified infraction isn't really reason to put the entire staff down. While we try to keep things consistent, the truth is, we're all individuals, and we all judge actions individually. This, though, is why the staff has a forum which chronicles issues and punishments - so others can discuss them and, when necessary, disagree with them. And, believe it or not, we do disagree with one another.

with the "censor bypass" issue, i know i've been censoring the s-word like that for about as long as i can remember being here. and suddenly this one particular day i was infracted for it, so consider me surprised when it happened. and frankly, i bypassed the censor to censor it myself. you guys didnt agree with the censor. is that really worth an infraction, or just a simple PM that says "i get what your doing, but dont do it". it would have sufficed.

and im not trying to put the entire staff down based on the potentially unjustifiable infraction. there have been other instances of warnings and infractions, these were just two examples. but like you said, you've been here for 7 years as well. can you really tell me that things havent gotten way more strict around here? lots of times i feel its gone too far. and maybe thats the reaction to how big this site has grown, but a lot of times it doesnt always feel justified.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

with the "censor bypass" issue, i know i've been censoring the s-word like that for about as long as i can remember being here. and suddenly this one particular day i was infracted for it, so consider me surprised when it happened. and frankly, i bypassed the censor to censor it myself. you guys didnt agree with the censor. is that really worth an infraction, or just a simple PM that says "i get what your doing, but dont do it". it would have sufficed.

and im not trying to put the entire staff down based on the potentially unjustifiable infraction. there have been other instances of warnings and infractions, these were just two examples. but like you said, you've been here for 7 years as well. can you really tell me that things havent gotten way more strict around here? lots of times i feel its gone too far. and maybe thats the reaction to how big this site has grown, but a lot of times it doesnt always feel justified.

Yes, it has gotten much stricter. I'm not sure if it's the rules or if it's the staff, though. Maybe, way back when, the staff was more lax with the rules than we are now.

And, yeah, it's natural for folks to try to find more solutions (example: creating more rules) for problems as an operation, like the Hype!, grows. Just because I'm a moderator doesn't mean I agree that all the rules are completely necessary, but I do understand why they've been implemented.

 

[Marx]

well i only posted the issue in this thread because thats what hobgoblin told me to do when i questioned the infraction that he gave me.

as for the censor bypass, lets be honest, no matter how the word is censored it's always going to be read as what its intended to be. its not fooling anyone. so does it really matter how its censored?

and the second one, just go to the following thread and insert an imaginary post from me that says "holy crap who cares?"
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=333874

either way, i think my point still stands in regards to feedback on how the site is being moderated. i hope its taken into serious consideration.

As Bamf said, you were directed to this thread...so don't feel like you shouldn't have posted your comment here. I just meant that it's usually best to contact an Admin when you have an issue.

with the "censor bypass" issue, i know i've been censoring the s-word like that for about as long as i can remember being here. and suddenly this one particular day i was infracted for it, so consider me surprised when it happened. and frankly, i bypassed the censor to censor it myself. you guys didnt agree with the censor. is that really worth an infraction, or just a simple PM that says "i get what your doing, but dont do it". it would have sufficed.

and im not trying to put the entire staff down based on the potentially unjustifiable infraction. there have been other instances of warnings and infractions, these were just two examples. but like you said, you've been here for 7 years as well. can you really tell me that things havent gotten way more strict around here? lots of times i feel its gone too far. and maybe thats the reaction to how big this site has grown, but a lot of times it doesnt always feel justified.

The fact remains that replacing certain letters with symbols resembling those letters on a censored word IS a censor bypass and is infractable. If you have been doing that since you started, you should probably consider yourself lucky that you weren't continually infracted for it. Contrary to popular belief, the staff can't be everywhere all the time.

 

[Motown Marvel]

im just saying, it was a genuine effort to censor the curse on my behalf. if i wanted to actually bypass the censor to spell out the word, it wouldnt be hard to do. but i wasnt kidding myself/anyone to believe that theres really a difference between the effect of the two censors. and for anyone to believe otherwise just seems ridiculous to me. so, its just odd to me for the infraction to happen. and i get it, you disagree...but im just sayin....

and again, other things are weird like people being infracted for linking to pages/video with curse words when the SHH! site itself has done the very same thing.

 

[Kelly]

*sighs*...we are mere Bold Mods....the BOLD Mods are the ones that can reverse infractions...we can't do nuttin' but give them.

 

[Kelly]

im just saying, it was a genuine effort to censor the curse on my behalf. if i wanted to actually bypass the censor to spell out the word, it wouldnt be hard to do. but i wasnt kidding myself/anyone to believe that theres really a difference between the effect of the two censors. and for anyone to believe otherwise just seems ridiculous to me. so, its just odd to me for the infraction to happen. and i get it, you disagree...but im just sayin....

and again, other things are weird like people being infracted for linking to pages/video with curse words when the SHH! site itself has done the very same thing.

Which makes it a "genuine" effort to bypass the censors. We have censors in place, there is no need for you to genuinely do anything except let the censors do the job they are set to do. Honestly, you don't really have an argument on that infraction. For us to think you were doing anything other than "bypassing" the censors seems ridiculous to me, considering we already have censors to do that for you.

Excessive language is not tolerated. Inappropriate language is automatically filtered. Inappropriate context, however, is not, but still should not be used. Bypassing the filter may result in either a warning or automatic probation. Repeated violations of this rule may result in account banning.

That is what you did, no matter how you spin it...

Posting external links that contain material that breaks any of Superhero Hype!'s rules may result in a warning, probation or account ban. Posting links to other message boards may result in deletion of the link and a warning. Repeated violations of this rule may result in probation or banning.

This is why infractions for the links are given...

WE DO NOT MOD SHH the website, we MOD, and follow the FAQs as they have been written for the SHH v Board...when you signed on to this board, you agreed that you have read, and understand those FAQs...that is the bottom line.

 

[Motown Marvel]

yes, like i said, i get why you guys see that as censor bypassing. but since it was done in an honest effort to censor the word myself, it wasnt anything malicious, i feel it'd have been more appropriate to simply PM me saying "hey dont do that" and i would have been like "hey okay".

and yes, i get you guys dont moderate the front page. but its all SHH!, and it gives the clear impression of a double standard, which only goes to confuse things.

 

[Kelly]

As to the first, we have choices according the FAQs and that was the choice made...

As to the second, you read the FAQs and said that you understood them, therefore we assume that you do...hence no confusion.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Uh...

Why would you go out of your way to try and break a rule?

 

[Motown Marvel]

As to the first, we have choices according the FAQs and that was the choice made...

As to the second, you read the FAQs and said that you understood them, therefore we assume that you do...hence no confusion.

did a SHH! robot make this reply for you? im just trying to bring up issues that i feel may be affecting the user friendliness of the site. blank replies like this arent very constructive to the discussion.

 

[Drakon]

yes, like i said, i get why you guys see that as censor bypassing. but since it was done in an honest effort to censor the word myself, it wasnt anything malicious, i feel it'd have been more appropriate to simply PM me saying "hey dont do that" and i would have been like "hey okay".

and yes, i get you guys dont moderate the front page. but its all SHH!, and it gives the clear impression of a double standard, which only goes to confuse things.

Moma, to kinda break it down for ya, it goes like this. We treat the self-censored-but-still-legible censors just like we do if you were to post a pic of the word, because it is bypassing the censor. Granted, yes, it's kind of an unfortunate sitch, but it's there. And yes, it's technically against the rules, so Hobs got you with that. If it were me, or maybe even someone else, we probably would have just said "Dude, don't do that again", but he decided to infract you, which in this case, was well within his rights, just as you petitioning it to us here is well within yours.

As to why it's a bigger deal now than it was five years ago, the answer is simple: we've all grown. Not just the individuals. I'm not the same, twenty year old guy flipping burgers in Ohio for chump change to pay an admittedly cheap rent. But as a staff, and as a site, we've grown. SHH five years ago, we didn't nearly have this much traffic as we do now on a daily basis. And because of that we have more staff members. Whereas back then, we were partially lax because of the fact that, to put it bluntly, there were bigger fish to fry than someone typing **** or **** with # or ! or @$$. But a lot of it was that, really, there just weren't enough of us to catch everything. Hell, at one point, I remember the mod staff being made up entirely of Dew, Mal, Excelsior, TASM, Cyke and Snipe, with others only sticking to their specifically appointed areas. Now, we have over a dozen of us going globally, as well as being stationed in specific forums to watch over things, and we have reports now that work a LOT better than they did [for example, we used to be at the sole mercy of our email boxes, and now, not the case]. And with the increased user base, we have more people also pointing things out to us, which make us even more effective.

And like Bamfalot said, I can't comment without reading the entire sphiel.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Drak is right, the size of the site and the size of the staff has altered the way things are done, but in no way do the staff try to get anyone, the amount of time put in to make sure things are done fairly is a lot greater than most realize.

In some cases consistency is not as....well...consistent, as we'd like, but that is down to different personalities, some of us mod in a style that would shoot a PM to a user over a smaller issue, however if another mod chooses to use an infraction it does not make them wrong or out to get anyone, they just believe in going by the book.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i get that things have grown and the site needs to adjust to that. it's just every now and then i'm reminded of some of the negative and ridiculous effects that have come from that, and some of them i think can be approached and remedied in a much more reasonable manner. which is why im bringing this up here, so mods and such can be more conscious of that. i emailed an admin about the infraction i received today, as i still have no understanding or justification as to why i received that one.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Who did you E Mail? anyway it was discussed and I have just reversed it.

 

[BlackLantern]

I understand the mods are hard up for personnel, but Bamfer as a mod again??? really??

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I understand the mods are hard up for personnel, but Bamfer as a mod again??? really??

You do realize I left on my own accord, and was asked back after having been told that "the door is always open"? Obviously I must've done something right.

And, be forewarned, I'm lobbying to make miserableness an infractable offense.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I think catching that pedo made you like a lifetime member to moderating.