Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - Part 25

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[MasterChief2829]

Remove Joker scenes that contribute to his side story and add more Will Smith, genius... SMH

 

[tanita_mors]

Remove Joker scenes that contribute to his side story and add more Will Smith, genius... SMH

my sentiment exactly. but we will see soon enough.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yea I don't get that move..

I say that as a big Will Smith fan and as a guy looking forward to watching Deadshot.

Just make the movie longer. Don't cut Joker scenes.

Again..I'm just hoping Ayer/WB made the right call and it makes for the best movie.

Eh..Never mind.

Just gonna wait for the movie.

Edit: Also maybe they didn't cut Joker scenes. But just went with the version of the movie that was more popular with test screenings (since there was apparently two different versions out there).

 

[DeadPresident]

I'll admit this had a big effect on people. BvS TC to me was a movie that didn't live up to expectation people act like its one of the worst movies ever made. Even the ones who give it a 6 or 7....talk about how bad the movie was for a 6 rating.

But you gotta give fans the benefit of the doubt. NO ONE expected BvS to have that negative of a reaction. Now Suicide Squad has to not only be great, but "save DCEU" for some fans and critics...its a lot of pressure..

Exactly. It gets to the point where IM2 is a 6/10 movie and BvS is a 6/10 movie for people, but the way they talk about it and how they perceive it is like BvS is a 2/10 absolute failure that broke every film-making convention yet was painfully drab at the same time.

That's why I can't take this board seriously anymore, we've come to the point where perception is more true to people than their own experience. There are literally people forming their opinions based on what they're hearing other people say about the movie right now in the tweets thread. That's so absurd I can barely wrap my head around it.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

The guys on twitter who talk about the movie, when they shouldn't until at least the embargo is lifted :

"Have we started the meltdown ?"

 

[brandeezy89]

They haven't posted the review yet but sounds positive

https://***********/gauchogroup/status/759027014091280384

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Exactly. It gets to the point where IM2 is a 6/10 movie and BvS is a 6/10 movie for people, but the way they talk about it and how they perceive it is like BvS is a 2/10 absolute failure that broke every film-making convention yet was painfully drab at the same time.

That's why I can't take this board seriously anymore, we've come to the point where perception is more true to people than their own experience. There are literally people forming their opinions based on what they're hearing other people say about the movie right now in the tweets thread. That's so absurd I can barely wrap my head around it.

Calm down Pres, it's not that serious.

I'm more worried that I'll like it, but critics don't, and that I'll get attacked for liking it the following three months. That's all.

If the film is well recieved I won't have to put up with another 3 months of BvS fall out and can get speculative and talk about all the cool ****.

That's where I'm coming from.

 

[DeadStroke]

Exactly. It gets to the point where IM2 is a 6/10 movie and BvS is a 6/10 movie for people, but the way they talk about it and how they perceive it is like BvS is a 2/10 absolute failure that broke every film-making convention yet was painfully drab at the same time.

That's why I can't take this board seriously anymore, we've come to the point where perception is more true to people than their own experience. There are literally people forming their opinions based on what they're hearing other people say about the movie right now in the tweets thread. That's so absurd I can barely wrap my head around it.

Better comparison:

2nd movie in universe
Incredible Hulk is a 6/10
BvS is a 6/10

3rd movie in universe
IM2 is a 6/10
SS is (lets guess) a 6/10

One universe has gone on to do great things.

The other is making a funeral arrangements.

But BvS was expected to be as good as Avengers and SS was expected to be as good as GOTG.

So when they aren't as good as some of Marvel's best its chaos.


In truth we really needed Man of Steel to be a critical hit to give the DCEU breathing room.

 

[DeadPresident]

Calm down Pres, it's not that serious.

I'm more worried that I'll like it, but critics don't, and that'll get attacked for liking it the following three months. That's all.

If the film is well recieved I won't have to put up with another 3 months of BvS fall out and can get speculative and talk about all the cool ****.

That's where I'm coming from.

Err…I'm calm, but thanks. My point of view is even if it is well received by the GA the rabid fandom will scrutinize everything from Joel Kinnaman's bootstraps to the number of diamonds in Joker's ring to look for something to criticize, that's what the DC fandom is now, they can't pull themselves out of this loop of negativity.

This board is just pathetic, I'm not saying that with any emotion, I'm saying it just because I've been here for a little while and I've watched these cycles a couple of times now and people set themselves up to hate the movie and then wonder why they hate the movie

It's just an interesting anthropological experiment watching people go through this over and over and not be aware of it.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

One universe has gone on to do great things.

The other is making a funeral arrangements.

But BvS was expected to be as good as Avengers and SS was expected to be as good as GOTG.

So when they aren't as good as some of Marvel's best its chaos.

The studios have completely different approach to their movies. They shouldn't be compared in the first place. If people go to the theaters expecting to see Marvel type movies, then that's their problem and when they come out disappointed they only have themselves to blame.

 

[DeadPresident]

Better comparison:

2nd movie in universe
Incredible Hulk is a 6/10
BvS is a 6/10

3rd movie in universe
IM2 is a 6/10
SS is (lets guess) a 6/10

One universe has gone on to do great things.

The other is making a funeral arrangements.

But BvS was expected to be as good as Avengers and SS was expected to be as good as GOTG.

So when they aren't as good as some of Marvel's best its chaos.


In truth we really needed Man of Steel to be a critical hit to give the DCEU breathing room.

Pretty much, it's set in stone now irrespective of how good SS or WW or JL are. They will always be viewed through the historical lenses of MoS/BvS being disappointments and they'll have to make up for that before people will judge the films exclusively and on their own merit.

All the DC movies have nothing but an uphill battle now because everyone is looking for reasons to call it a failure rather than looking for reasons to call it a success.

 

[brandeezy89]

I believe the Joker scene they cut was the Harleen and Joker confrontation in the road where he pisses on her. Which makes sense unless WB wanted a **** storm outside their studio

 

[Slade W]

Better comparison:

2nd movie in universe
Incredible Hulk is a 6/10
BvS is a 6/10

3rd movie in universe
IM2 is a 6/10
SS is (lets guess) a 6/10

One universe has gone on to do great things.

The other is making a funeral arrangements.

But BvS was expected to be as good as Avengers and SS was expected to be as good as GOTG.

So when they aren't as good as some of Marvel's best its chaos.


In truth we really needed Man of Steel to be a critical hit to give the DCEU breathing room.

I don't agree with the comparison of BVS to Incredible Hulk. BVS is more comparable with the Avengers. With BVS, DC were going all out, putting Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Lex Luthor and Doomsday in one film, and taking from two big stories (TDKR and DOS). They were starting big and trying to hit the ground running, and failed of course.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Scott Eastwood reveals who he really plays in SS

https://mobile.***********/ScottEastwood/status/759084065660080128

 

[fake]

Better comparison:

In truth we really needed Man of Steel to be a critical hit to give the DCEU breathing room.

Looking back at it, MoS may end up being one of the most influential movies in the history of superhero filmmaking. Prior to MoS, I had never once heard the complaint that there was too much destruction in a movie, or that we never saw the heroes saving people. Avengers a year earlier had literally the same ending with no complaints about that, but once MoS came out - every single superhero movie has had to pause and explain stuff.

GOTG had a badly ADRd line saying "Everyone has been evacuated". Ultron had the ridiculous end fight where the heroes seemed more preoccupied with the rescues than actually fighting Ultron and then we had the helicarrier-ex-machine, in DOFP they literally put a stadium between the civilians and the fight, BvS had to explain that the docks were abandoned, Civil War had to have the main fight in an airport to prevent civilians from being there. One of the reasons I kind of appreciated Apocalypse is how they clearly didn't give a **** about the CGI people in the background because stopping the huge planet-ending power possessing monster was more important in the moment.

All this because people online kept harping about it in MoS, and it led to a ripple effect where it has become a go-to point in movies now.

 

[brandeezy89]

At least we know that Cinablend's rating will be fresh

 

[DeadStroke]

I don't agree with the comparison of BVS to Incredible Hulk. BVS is more comparable to the Avengers. With BVS, DC were going all out, putting Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Lex Luthor and Doomsday in one film, and taking from two big stories (TDKR and DOS). They were starting big and trying to hit the ground running, and failed of course.

Of for sure. They did fail. But no matter what its still the 2nd movie in the franchise.

I think Marvel makes great movies now and their upcoming movies ALL look stellar. Excited for everyone of them.

However, during phase one they put out a lot of mediocre movies between Iron and Avengers. They just happen to really hit with Iron Man first and in time finally got to Avengers which was great.

 

[tanita_mors]

I believe the Joker scene they cut was the Harleen and Joker confrontation in the road where he pisses on her. Which makes sense unless WB wanted a **** storm outside their studio

wait, so he pisses on her in that scene ? when i watched that confrontation being filmed on youtube there was a moment that looked just like that but it was from behind so i couldn't be sure. i'm ok if they cut that out, because water sports are just uhhhhh....

 

[Guts]

Scott Eastwood reveals who he really plays in SS

https://mobile.***********/ScottEastwood/status/759084065660080128

It's finally been confirmed.

 

[DeadStroke]

Looking back at it, MoS may end up being one of the most influential movies in the history of superhero filmmaking. Prior to MoS, I had never once heard the complaint that there was too much destruction in a movie, or that we never saw the heroes saving people. Avengers a year earlier had literally the same ending with no complaints about that, but once MoS came out - every single superhero movie has had to pause and explain stuff.

GOTG had a badly ADRd line saying "Everyone has been evacuated". Ultron had the ridiculous end fight where the heroes seemed more preoccupied with the rescues than actually fighting Ultron and then we had the helicarrier-ex-machine, in DOFP they literally put a stadium between the civilians and the fight, BvS had to explain that the docks were abandoned, Civil War had to have the main fight in an airport to prevent civilians from being there. One of the reasons I kind of appreciated Apocalypse is how they clearly didn't give a **** about the CGI people in the background because stopping the huge planet-ending power possessing monster was more important in the moment.

All this because people online kept harping about it in MoS, and it led to a ripple effect where it has become a go-to point in movies now.

Snyder may have not achieved the success he wanted, but both MOS and BvS will be pop culture references for many years to come.

MOS the end of whats acceptable destruction.

BvS the end of the "dark" cbm?

 

[Micromind]

Exactly. It gets to the point where IM2 is a 6/10 movie and BvS is a 6/10 movie for people, but the way they talk about it and how they perceive it is like BvS is a 2/10 absolute failure that broke every film-making convention yet was painfully drab at the same time.

That's why I can't take this board seriously anymore, we've come to the point where perception is more true to people than their own experience. There are literally people forming their opinions based on what they're hearing other people say about the movie right now in the tweets thread. That's so absurd I can barely wrap my head around it.

Righto.

They want to join kwel kids. hive mind, herd mentality.

#DCsucks. #WBplayingcatchup. #WBhasnoplan.

 

[Guts]

wait, so he pisses on her in that scene ? when i watched that confrontation being filmed on youtube there was a moment that looked just like that but it was from behind so i couldn't be sure. i'm ok if they cut that out, because water sports are just uhhhhh....

This is what he's talking about.

He appears to just be standing over her with his hands at his hips unless they cgi pee into the scene.

 

[DeadStroke]

I believe the Joker scene they cut was the Harleen and Joker confrontation in the road where he pisses on her. Which makes sense unless WB wanted a **** storm outside their studio

They said Joker side scene. So its not that.

And no he didn't **** on her.