Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

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[The Joker]

is it weird that I'm really upset they cut

Spoiler

Harley playing bartender? totally loved her "whatcha havin?" and "what about you hot-stuff?....that's a good idea honey" and "hope ya got insurance" during bat mobile chase

They cut all that out, too? FFS.

 

[Smilodon]

They cut all that out, too? FFS.

Same. That was so disappointing. That was a good character beat, no need to cut down that.

 

[Aquafinn90]

They cut all that out, too? FFS.

Yup. which is weird considering they reportedly wanted more of that "lighter tone" - I'm telling you, this is BEGGING for an UC that I don't think we are gonna get. Just another hour of deleted scenes like Ayer's previous films.

The scene is still there it's just they cut that particular part out

 

[WitchTrialz]

I just don't see Damon as Deathstroke.

Hush? Maybe. Harvey Dent/Two Face? Sure.

I wouldn't be able to get past his voice for Deathstroke he wouldn't put enough gravel to it. Hush would work, I'm not sure about Harvey Dent.

This is weird but I think he would make a good red hood but not so much a good Robin. Either way I would happily welcome him into the dceu

 

[DeadStroke]

You win

 

[The Shape]

I think that boils down to people wanting a heavy dose of Joker and not getting it. It's the Harley Quinn show here, not Jokers. I think people are going to miss it (and some probably will) because expectation is to see more of the duo, but here, Joker is kind of just reacting rather than full on having a bigger lead like we're use to seeing him. The love is there, but it's vividly imaginable to me to see Leto's Joker not hesitating to kill anybody, including Harley, but not before having some wise-cracks and some good 'ol fun.

That's exactly right, and frankly, it's strange that some people can't understand that.

With the way it's presented in the film, it can be argued that Joker views Harley as any one (or all) of the following (which I actually saw on another site weeks ago unrelated to the movie):

A Toy: Joker sees Harley as his creation, and one of his most special ones. He broke Harley apart and remade her into his own image and continues to manipulate and bend her to his will, delighting in watching her strive to please him. When Joker is bored, he can play games with Harley and she will always play back, willingly and with pleasure. He can hurt her and draw her back to him with well-chosen words and deeds. He knows that every time Harley makes an effort to break away it is simply a matter of twisting the screws in the precise way to have her groveling once more.

A Mirror: Harley, in both her insane devotion and her adoration of him, is a mirror to The Joker's ego. Highly narcissistic, Harley would provide proof to him of his own genius and brilliance; both in the very fact of her existence and because she willingly tells him so and fervently believes it herself. Similar to above, a Joker in a funk could take one look at Harley and start chuckling again as she stares at him with wide, adoring doe-eyes. Harley is his, body and soul, and that must be immensely gratifying to someone as egotistical as The Joker, especially considering the ease with which he controls her.

A Loved One: Not in any normal, healthy way. But in his way, as much as he is capable of. Some fans feel that “love” is too strong a word for The Joker. Nonetheless, that he does feel some sort of affectionate emotion towards him. Her uniqueness in response to him penetrated something very deep and buried within Joker's psyche and brought it back to life; a faint glimmer of tenderness consumed by layers of darkness and depravity.

 

[antsman41]

They cut out too many good lines or shots from the trailers, really disappointing.

 

[DeadStroke]

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
#SuicideSquad has a bunch of great actors trapped in a nonsensical, trdious
movie. Damn shame.

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
Warner Bros. is so busy playing catch-up with Marvel, they're over-stuffing all of their movies and yet nothing is happening??

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
I spent half the movie wondering why the Justice League wasn't taken care of the giant "circle of death" problem

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 22m22 minutes ago
I would watch a Deadshot movie, a Harley movie, an Amanda Waller movie, and a Diablo movie. Great performances WASTED. #SuicideSquad

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 21m21 minutes ago
Just my thoughts while watching the end credits, I'm sure I'll have more later. Overall not as bad as Batman v Superman. #SuicideSquad

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 19m19 minutes ago
Leto's Joker a huge let down. Not scary, not anything. Would have been better as Joker copycat, b/c that's what he felt like. #SuicideSquad

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 15m15 minutes ago
Initial thoughts on Harley/Joker relationship is Ayer clearly doesn't see it as abusive. Romanticized the entire way through...#SuicideSquad

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 13m13 minutes ago
Margot's performance is great, she just isn't given anything to do. A very subtle implication that she [BLACKOUT]lost twins[/BLACKOUT], but never explored.

 

[sabetoonth]

This reminds me. I would open someone's jugular for a Crime Syndicate movie.

 

[Cats]

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
I spent half the movie wondering why the Justice League wasn't taken care of the giant "circle of death" problem

Because they aren't formed yet. Wondering if Donna Dickens saw the trailer to the Justice League.

 

[Tra-El]

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
I spent half the movie wondering why the Justice League wasn't taken care of the giant "circle of death" problem

Did she stay for the middle-credits? SSQuad takes place right after BvS.

Spoiler

Bruce is still on the meta-human trail.

Justice League isn't formed. Her tweet is invalid hate dribble.

 

[The Joker]

Same. That was so disappointing. That was a good character beat, no need to cut down that.

It was actually a scene I was really looking forward to. Looked legitimately funny.

Yup. which is weird considering they reportedly wanted more of that "lighter tone" - I'm telling you, this is BEGGING for an UC that I don't think we are gonna get. Just another hour of deleted scenes like Ayer's previous films.

The scene is still there it's just they cut that particular part out

If they do pull another UC trick people are soon going to get sick of that tactic.

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 19m19 minutes ago
Leto's Joker a huge let down. Not scary, not anything. Would have been better as Joker copycat, b/c that's what he felt like. #SuicideSquad

A Joker copycat? Good god....

 

[WitchTrialz]

Did she stay for the middle-credits? SSQuad takes place right after BvS. Bruce is still on the meta-human trail. Justice League isn't formed. Her tweet is invalid hate dribble.

Yeah, anyone can tell you that the Justice league isn't formed yet, that's a very silly complaint indeed. I hope that's the last we hear of it

 

[Sleiek]

You should get that SCENE card from ScotiaBank. Will see the movie Friday night, regular 2D though. I'm saving my points for an actual IMAX movie like Nolan's next baby.

Have it already. When I bought 2 tickets for BvS on Opening Day, one ticket was redeemed from using my points. A couple of more movies and I will have enough points for another free movie ticket.

 

[DeadStroke]

That's exactly right, and frankly, it's strange that some people can't understand that.

With the way it's presented in the film, it can be argued that Joker views Harley as any one (or all) of the following (which I actually saw on another site weeks ago unrelated to the movie):

A Toy: Joker sees Harley as his creation, and one of his most special ones. He broke Harley apart and remade her into his own image and continues to manipulate and bend her to his will, delighting in watching her strive to please him. When Joker is bored, he can play games with Harley and she will always play back, willingly and with pleasure. He can hurt her and draw her back to him with well-chosen words and deeds. He knows that every time Harley makes an effort to break away it is simply a matter of twisting the screws in the precise way to have her groveling once more.

A Mirror: Harley, in both her insane devotion and her adoration of him, is a mirror to The Joker's ego. Highly narcissistic, Harley would provide proof to him of his own genius and brilliance; both in the very fact of her existence and because she willingly tells him so and fervently believes it herself. Similar to above, a Joker in a funk could take one look at Harley and start chuckling again as she stares at him with wide, adoring doe-eyes. Harley is his, body and soul, and that must be immensely gratifying to someone as egotistical as The Joker, especially considering the ease with which he controls her.

A Loved One: Not in any normal, healthy way. But in his way, as much as he is capable of. Some fans feel that “love” is too strong a word for The Joker. Nonetheless, that he does feel some sort of affectionate emotion towards him. Her uniqueness in response to him penetrated something very deep and buried within Joker's psyche and brought it back to life; a faint glimmer of tenderness consumed by layers of darkness and depravity.

Harry Knowles thoughts on Joker/Harley

The Joker here is more like the impression I get of the Joker when looking at Bill Sienkiewicz’s water color paintings and abstract inks of the Joker. Madness in brief. The Joker here feels like Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein Monster… only he doesn’t need Victor to make a bride for him, he’ll do it himself. As he transforms her, he finally feels complete in his own fractured sense of madness. He wants her… needs her… Harley feels less needy. Harley is able to function just fine in her cage, with the Squad, in the midst of combat, watching the world burn. Harley is in her element at all times. The Joker wants her back and she does miss her Mr. J and wants to be reunited, but I never get the idea she’s counting the seconds or particularly missing him, until she thinks he’s gone. This Joker and this Harley Quinn could carry 30 movies. The peek at domestic bliss between Joker & Harley that the Enchantress gives Harley is a drug so powerful it sways her. A dream undreamt, but once seen… never forgot.

I guess if we were to go with your view....maybe its Harley imagining the Joker needs her and thats how she keeps some of her sanity?

 

[Seahawksfan]

Said this before but I gave it a 7/10. Thought had they gone with the Assault on Arkham story, it would've had a much more crisp plot and extra room.

 

[Tra-El]

That's exactly right, and frankly, it's strange that some people can't understand that.

With the way it's presented in the film, it can be argued that Joker views Harley as any one (or all) of the following (which I actually saw on another site weeks ago unrelated to the movie):

A Toy: Joker sees Harley as his creation, and one of his most special ones. He broke Harley apart and remade her into his own image and continues to manipulate and bend her to his will, delighting in watching her strive to please him. When Joker is bored, he can play games with Harley and she will always play back, willingly and with pleasure. He can hurt her and draw her back to him with well-chosen words and deeds. He knows that every time Harley makes an effort to break away it is simply a matter of twisting the screws in the precise way to have her groveling once more.

A Mirror: Harley, in both her insane devotion and her adoration of him, is a mirror to The Joker's ego. Highly narcissistic, Harley would provide proof to him of his own genius and brilliance; both in the very fact of her existence and because she willingly tells him so and fervently believes it herself. Similar to above, a Joker in a funk could take one look at Harley and start chuckling again as she stares at him with wide, adoring doe-eyes. Harley is his, body and soul, and that must be immensely gratifying to someone as egotistical as The Joker, especially considering the ease with which he controls her.

A Loved One: Not in any normal, healthy way. But in his way, as much as he is capable of. Some fans feel that “love” is too strong a word for The Joker. Nonetheless, that he does feel some sort of affectionate emotion towards him. Her uniqueness in response to him penetrated something very deep and buried within Joker's psyche and brought it back to life; a faint glimmer of tenderness consumed by layers of darkness and depravity.

^Perfection.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Donna Dickens ‏@MildlyAmused 24m24 minutes ago
I spent half the movie wondering why the Justice League wasn't taken care of the giant "circle of death" problem.

Superman is buried in Smallvile, Aquaman is riding the King Tide, Flash is stopping convenience store robbers in Central City, Cyborg is on an operating table in the Red Room, and Batman and Wonder Woman are traveling the world trying find them and get the band started.

 

[The Shape]

Thoughts on what Donna Dickens said?

Also here Harry Knowles thoughts on Joker/Harley

Who is Donna Dickens? Why do you seem to care so much about what other people think or say about the movie, or what people think about what other people think? You're constantly posting tweets and things about the movie, many of which seem to be from random people on Twitter.

You already seem to know everything there is to know about the film. Are you going to see the movie for yourself?

 

[The Joker]

Yeah Deadstroke we also have a thread for tweets. You don't need to keep posting them in here.

 

[Seahawksfan]

who is donna dickens? Why do you seem to care so much about what other people think or say about the movie, or what people think about what other people think? You're constantly posting tweets and things about the movie, many of which seem to be from random people on twitter.

You already seem to know everything there is to know about the film. Are you going to see the movie for yourself?

lol!

 

[DeadStroke]

Who is Donna Dickens? Why do you seem to care so much about what other people think or say about the movie, or what people think about what other people think? You're constantly posting tweets and things about the movie, many of which seem to be from random people on Twitter.

You already seem to know everything there is to know about the film. Are you going to see the movie for yourself?

Well if you read my post I was adding to along to your discussion. Random? . Mostly people with both good, bad, etc. thoughts on the movie from critics, hardcore DC fans, etc etc. Getting a gauge from all sides about the movie.

I'm not able to see the movie yet. So when I will....I will. As as far tweets I'll stop posting since it seems to irritate you from having a discussion about it. The Harry Knowles quote was just to see if it adds to argument if anything.

 

[Cats]

And yet article trying to tell us movie goers what we should think and do. I wish they'd realise that their opinions are not always shared.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._57a1e213e4b0693164c34744?section=weird-news&