Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

[kguillou]

Disney’s handling of Star Wars has been pretty fascinating to watch and not in a good way. It’s like they go back to the drawing board after every movie.

Anybody with a reasonable brain should have immediately been like “uh oh” the day they announced the SW acquisition and said, “we will release a new Star Wars movie every single year going forward.” I’m not a SW fan at all but even i was like “this will not end well...”

 

[Zarex]

Disney’s handling of Star Wars has been pretty fascinating to watch and not in a good way. It’s like they go back to the drawing board after every movie.

I'm wondering if Kennedy might finally start feeling some heat. I figured Feige, who nailed his ending, would eventually take over responsibility for Lucasfilm. But he just took over Marvel Entertainment and probably isn't ready to add to his empire. Maybe Filoni gets a bigger role after his success with the Mandalorian?

 

[MadVillainy]

Anybody with a reasonable brain should have immediately been like “uh oh” the day they announced the SW acquisition and said, “we will release a new Star Wars movie every single year going forward.” I’m not a SW fan at all but even i was like “this will not end well...”

Eh I mean that could've worked. The Star Wars universe is freaking massive. There's way more than enough to release a Star Wars film every year. Kathleen Kennedy just isn't good at shepherding a cinematic universe

Like really you could've done
Year 1: Episode 7
Year 2: Bounty Hunter movie
Year 3: Podracing sports movie
Year 4: Episode 8
I could go on. But there is plenty of stuff to work with. And that's not even counting those character prequels that everyone is fascinated with.

I mean a lot of the cinematic/expanded universes had a lot of material to make it work. They just made bad movies. It's a real bummer that Star Wars and Harry Potter especially have kind of faltered

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm wondering if Kennedy might finally start feeling some heat. I figured Feige, who nailed his ending, would eventually take over responsibility for Lucasfilm. But he just took over Marvel Entertainment and probably isn't ready to add to his empire. Maybe Filoni gets a bigger role after his success with the Mandalorian?

The Mando is Kennedy and Favreau's success story technically.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh I mean that could've worked. The Star Wars universe is freaking massive. There's way more than enough to release a Star Wars film every year. Kathleen Kennedy just isn't good at shepherding a cinematic universe

Like really you could've done
Year 1: Episode 7
Year 2: Bounty Hunter movie
Year 3: Podracing sports movie
Year 4: Episode 8
I could go on. But there is plenty of stuff to work with. And that's not even counting those character prequels that everyone is fascinated with.

I mean a lot of the cinematic/expanded universes had a lot of material to make it work. They just made bad movies. It's a real bummer that Star Wars and Harry Potter especially have kind of faltered

The issue with the three year gap is Disney did not want a three year gap between them. JJ didn't want to release TFA in 2015. He wanted at least another year, because he had to rewrite the script from scratch 6 months out from filming and was never going to make the May 2015 release date. Which is why Star Wars ended up a December flick. It was a compromise. But because Iger and Horn promised VII by 2015, they had to release it then. This is also why we ended up with a different director for for TLJ. Because they wanted a 2 year turnaround on saga movies, and JJ said he couldn't do it.

If you go back you will also notice that VIII and IX were both set for May releases, before eventually being pushed back.

 

[Flint Marko]

Anybody with a reasonable brain should have immediately been like “uh oh” the day they announced the SW acquisition and said, “we will release a new Star Wars movie every single year going forward.” I’m not a SW fan at all but even i was like “this will not end well...”

I remember thinking “that’s too much Star Wars for me”, but like yourself I’m also not a SW fan.

Gotta admit though, I definitely thought they could make it work for the moviegoing public.

 

[MadVillainy]

I just don't think they made the new characters that interesting to the movie going public

Old SW has Han, Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, Lando, C3PO, R2D2. MCU has Tony, Cap, Thor...basically everyone. HP had Snape, Ron, Hermione, Malfoy, and I guess Harry

I never saw that great of reception to Rey, Finn, Poe, Jynn Erso, whoever Emilia Clarke played in Solo. Not that I am saying a majority of people disliked them at all, but if you're going to release a film series once every year you gotta make the characters really really stand oout

Plus Star Wars is 30 years old and imo they didn't really try to take the franchise in new exciting ways except for TLJ. And we all saw the crapstorm that ensued with that

 

[Sithborg]

I would have preferred if they had stuck to 3 year gaps between the saga films. One a year isn't necessarily bad, but I think they had a bit more time would have helped. Frankly, I blame Iger and Marvel for the rush of films.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm wondering if Kennedy might finally start feeling some heat. I figured Feige, who nailed his ending, would eventually take over responsibility for Lucasfilm. But he just took over Marvel Entertainment and probably isn't ready to add to his empire. Maybe Filoni gets a bigger role after his success with the Mandalorian?

Filoni definitely feels like he is attempting to build his resume. But, I'm not really sure he is interested in a managerial position like Kennedy or Feige.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just don't think they made the new characters that interesting to the movie going public

Old SW has Han, Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, Lando, C3PO, R2D2. MCU has Tony, Cap, Thor...basically everyone. HP had Snape, Ron, Hermione, Malfoy, and I guess Harry

I never saw that great of reception to Rey, Finn, Poe, Jynn Erso, whoever Emilia Clarke played in Solo. Not that I am saying a majority of people disliked them at all, but if you're going to release a film series once every year you gotta make the characters really really stand oout

Plus Star Wars is 30 years old and imo they didn't really try to take the franchise in new exciting ways except for TLJ. And we all saw the crapstorm that ensued with that

You guess Harry?

Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo went over very well after TFA.

Also I think your last sentence kind of points out the issue with messing with the story mid stream. Star Wars was 40 years old, and has a very specific feel. People know it, they feel it.

 

[MadVillainy]

I would have preferred if they had stuck to 3 year gaps between the saga films. One a year isn't necessarily bad, but I think they had a bit more time would have helped. Frankly, I blame Iger and Marvel for the rush of films.

THey didn't do one a year for the saga films. But I agree about the 3 year gap. Even in the Avengers they waited 3 years between films right? Obviously save for IW/EG.

Again the Star Wars universe is so massive. There is/was enough out there to make 2 films in between each saga. And then you could've made sequels to some of those stand alones.

Wasted potential, man

 

[MadVillainy]

What do we think has wasted its potential the most so far?
1. The DCEU
2. Wizarding World
3. Star Wars

I might say Wizarding World because at least Star Wars and DCEU are trying. Wizarding World is just doing those mediocre Fantastic Beasts movies and nothing else

 

[Sithborg]

What do we think has wasted its potential the most so far?
1. The DCEU
2. Wizarding World
3. Star Wars

I might say Wizarding World because at least Star Wars and DCEU are trying. Wizarding World is just doing those mediocre Fantastic Beasts movies and nothing else

Oh man, that is kind of tough. DCEU was/is salvageable. Wizarding World has what I like call, "A Lucas Problem". In that the major issue creatively, also cannot be gotten rid of.

 

[Flint Marko]

What do we think has wasted its potential the most so far?
1. The DCEU
2. Wizarding World
3. Star Wars

I might say Wizarding World because at least Star Wars and DCEU are trying. Wizarding World is just doing those mediocre Fantastic Beasts movies and nothing else

Star Wars hasn’t been a rousing success but I actually do think the movies are all various degrees of fine, which is more than I can say for the other two.

I don’t care at all about Harry Potter and they did manage to make the most out of the main books (I think? Idk people like them), so I’m inclined to say the DCEU.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I'd go:
1. DCEU
2. Star Wars
3 Wizarding World

 

[Zarex]

What do we think has wasted its potential the most so far?
1. The DCEU
2. Wizarding World
3. Star Wars

I might say Wizarding World because at least Star Wars and DCEU are trying. Wizarding World is just doing those mediocre Fantastic Beasts movies and nothing else

I'd go with the DCEU. Though DC has gotten it's act together, there's no question hundreds of millions if not billions in BO revenue were forfeited by not properly setting up their superhero all star team. Both the Star Wars and Wizarding World franchises have misteps, but nothing anywhere near as costly as WB handing the keys to Snyder.

 

[MadVillainy]

Star Wars hasn’t been a rousing success but I actually do think the movies are all various degrees of fine, which is more than I can say for the other two.

I don’t care at all about Harry Potter and they did manage to make the most out of the main books (I think? Idk people like them), so I’m inclined to say the DCEU.

I was more talking about in recent years. After the HP movies, Wizarding World has done very little. And what they have done is mediocre or "alright" by the general consensus.
DCEU may have MoS, BvS, JL, and SS. But people really loved Wonder Woman and Shazam. Aquaman, and if you wanna through Joker in there, both were huge financial hits. Joker might even be getting an Oscar nod for BP.
Star Wars still has The Mandolorian and for the most part pretty successful films.

Wizarding World has had 2 movies, neither which were loved by many and one that was a financial disappointment

 

[Bayne]

I was more talking about in recent years. After the HP movies, Wizarding World has done very little. And what they have done is mediocre or "alright" by the general consensus.
DCEU may have MoS, BvS, JL, and SS. But people really loved Wonder Woman and Shazam. Aquaman, and if you wanna through Joker in there, both were huge financial hits. Joker might even be getting an Oscar nod for BP.
Star Wars still has The Mandolorian and for the most part pretty successful films.

Wizarding World has had 2 movies, neither which were loved by many and one that was a financial disappointment

FBaWtFT is only 3 years old. There may be plenty of potential in the franchise, but that doesn't mean it was a bad idea to stick to a normal release schedule instead of putting out multiple movies a year like Marvel, DC and Star Wars.

 

[Zarex]

I was more talking about in recent years. After the HP movies, Wizarding World has done very little. And what they have done is mediocre or "alright" by the general consensus.
DCEU may have MoS, BvS, JL, and SS. But people really loved Wonder Woman and Shazam. Aquaman, and if you wanna through Joker in there, both were huge financial hits. Joker might even be getting an Oscar nod for BP.
Star Wars still has The Mandolorian and for the most part pretty successful films.

Wizarding World has had 2 movies, neither which were loved by many and one that was a financial disappointment

To be fair, selling Harry Potter films without Harry Potter is an awfully tough task. And though Star Wars has managed to expand beyond the disfunctional Skywalker clan with The Mandalorian, it wouldn't surprise me if the next series of films performs comparably to the Fantastic Beast movies.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I think DCEU by far had the most wasted potential. For them to be ran by a big time studio, have access to all their characters unlike Marvel, they just completely missed their mark by trying to play catch up. They could’ve told so many different stories at this point if they only just had a game plan, but they just have these random hits and misses.

As far as the Wizarding World goes, I’m glad it ended the way it did, giving those main characters finality. I wouldn’t be opposed to two things though: a Tom Riddle prequel movie and Rowling writing that forbidden spell book so we can learn how to create a horcrux lol.

 

[MadVillainy]

FBaWtFT is only 3 years old. There may be plenty of potential in the franchise, but that doesn't mean it was a bad idea to stick to a normal release schedule instead of putting out multiple movies a year like Marvel, DC and Star Wars.

What?
I never said it was a bad idea to do that

 

[MadVillainy]

To be fair, selling Harry Potter films without Harry Potter is an awfully tough task. And though Star Wars has managed to expand beyond the disfunctional Skywalker clan with The Mandalorian, it wouldn't surprise me if the next series of films performs comparably to the Fantastic Beast movies.

I'm not talking about money when I'm talking about potential. I'm talking about quality of movie

 

[MadVillainy]

I think DCEU by far had the most wasted potential. For them to be ran by a big time studio, have access to all their characters unlike Marvel, they just completely missed their mark by trying to play catch up. They could’ve told so many different stories at this point if they only just had a game plan, but they just have these random hits and misses.

As far as the Wizarding World goes, I’m glad it ended the way it did, giving those main characters finality. I wouldn’t be opposed to two things though: a Tom Riddle prequel movie and Rowling writing that forbidden spell book so we can learn how to create a horcrux lol.

I mean yeah I didn't don't expect more movies with HP, but Fantastic Beasts could've been it's own thing, a Grindelwald/Dumbledore series could've done it's own thing, they could've been doing tv shows by now, I still think a Quidditch movie could be cool, Tom Riddle prequel movie could've been something.

 

[Bayne]

What?
I never said it was a bad idea to do that

You're counting as a strike against them that they only have two movies. In 3 years. Opinions will vary about quality, but this just seems unreasonable to me.

 

[MadVillainy]

You're counting as a strike against them that they only have two movies. In 3 years. Opinions will about quality, but this just seems unreasonable to me.

How is that unreasonable. The franchise has been going since what 2001? The HP stories ended in 2011 or 12 right?
-They could've been making more movies since then
-And even if we're just talking about the last 3 years, the movies aren't that good imo.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. I'm talking about the quality of movies and the lack of movies or just WW media in the last 9 years, not just the last 3.

If they released 1 WW movie since Deathly Hallows, Pt 2 and it was good, I wouldn't say the potential is wasted necessarily. But you release 2 movies, I don't think either are that good. The fanbase is torn on them, then that's wasted potential and then on top of that that's all you're doing then for sure I think that's wasted potential