Superman Begins?

[jthom19802]

And of course, I want to see on how his earth parents really influenced him in the man that he is today and how their morals and upbringing really had a hand in shaping the character that he is.

I could be completely wrong but as I have said in other threads (or perhaps even this one, who knows!), I don't think you get a Kevin Costner and a Diane Lane unless you plan on doing exactly that. I, for one, can't wait.

As long as when there is action, its ACTION, I more than welcome the first hour or so being all along the lines of BR and/or some other version of how he becomes who he does.

The best we've ever gotten live-action (smallville not withstanding) is Johnathan dying and Clark leaving for 12 years (S1), or a half hour of the pilot episode of L&C.

It's time the story is told.

 

[sf2]

begins or not.
i believe zack is gonna deliver us a macho superman movie.
and that i'm happy with.

 

[ElDuderino]

honestly, ive accepted that this flick will probably be "superman begins", and will just follow current comic trends rather than break the mold like TDK or STM

really, this might just be the movie equivalent of bryne's MOS

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

I want Superman Begins and it seems like we may be getting that.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

 

[Zachhelms]

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

I agree but most people really want to see Superman since we haven't had a decent Superman movie in over 20 years. They want to get straight to the action and the adventures of Superman. Not the Origin.

 

[BH/HHH]

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

Definitely, to be honest I think people are worried its gonna be another STM with 30 mins on Krypton etc but it probably won't be. End of the day if its told right it will be a fantastic movie and thats the main thing.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I agree but most people really want to see Superman since we haven't had a decent Superman movie in over 20 years. They want to get straight to the action and the adventures of Superman. Not the Origin.

If it is just action that makes for a very hollow unsatisfying movie. Might as well just watch a video game. I'm hoping for a full origin movie. I think that is what Snyder is alluding to when he said "what if there have never been any Superman films". Sounds like it'll be an origin story but told perhaps in a non linear fashion like BB.

 

[Zachhelms]

If it is just action that makes for a very hollow unsatisfying movie. Might as well just watch a video game. I'm hoping for a full origin movie. I think that is what Snyder is alluding to when he said "what if there have never been any Superman films". Sounds like it'll be an origin story but told perhaps in a non linear fashion like BB.

I agree. What I was referring to, was more action then what was in Superman Returns.

And from what I have read/heard about the movie so far, I am almost certain that the movie will be an origin movie. And that is exactly what I want.

But, a lot of people want to get straight to Superman, not his becoming.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Definitely, to be honest I think people are worried its gonna be another STM with 30 mins on Krypton etc but it probably won't be. End of the day if its told right it will be a fantastic movie and thats the main thing.

I think they can tackle the Krypton stuff in flashbacks throughout the movie that don't amount to more than 10 mins or so.

I'd like to see the movie start with an almighty explosion as something is blasted out of the sky and smashes into a building at incredible speed. All of the sudden, something moves, and starts to rise up out of the debris.

Concrete dust slowly falls off of the object and from behind reveals a red cape, (with a yellow \S/ of course and still heavily covered in dust) then we see a close up of a face bleeding, exhausted, beaten. It's the M.O.S near death.

Suddlenly another explosion as something else lands right in front of Superman, who by this time is attempting to stand fully upright. (Insert your foe of choice here) Stay down! Why do you feel the need to give your life for these puny unworthy humans? (kind of Zod-ish but oh well)

Superman ignores the advice and stubbornly attempts to lunge at said foe.

(Foe) "As you wish. If death is what you desire, death is what you shall have.

Foe pulls back and prepares to lower the boom on Superman, and then.. Okay cue the flashbacks lol! Now we get to find out what made him dedicate his life to become Earth's protector.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I agree. What I was referring to, was more action then what was in Superman Returns.

And from what I have read/heard about the movie so far, I am almost certain that the movie will be an origin movie. And that is exactly what I want.

But, a lot of people want to get straight to Superman, not his becoming.

If all they want is action and pyrotechnics they can go and see Transformers 3 haha.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm not gonna quote everyone, but I just wanna say that everything everyone has said has put a big grin on my face 100% agreed with you all!

Yes I know the origin like the back of my hand but I want to see it all again. Don't gloss over it. If you are going to Begin or Start again then do it properly. Like Snyder said...full reverence for the design and canon of the comics but owing nothing to films that came before.

Exactly. Who cares if the origin has been done a hundred times in the comics. It's been done once in a Superman movie 40 years ago, and that was just one version of the story... one I don't happen to like.

I am literally buzzing on the idea they might do a birthright style origin.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, depending on who the villain is for this film, I think they can save a majority of dealing with Clark's kryptonian origins for the sequel.

Let it just be revealed in this film that Clark is an alien from Krypton, but as to going into the details of the last day of Krypton, that could be saved for the second film, where the villain of that film, could possibly even tie into that last days of krypton as well.

Imho, IF they use Zod for this film, they could easily use him as a means towards revealing Clark's kryptonian origins without having to show 30 minutes of krypton at the first act.

 

[The Batman]

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

^ this having nothing to do with what I'm saying, not to mention that BB was done because we NEVER saw Batman's complete origin onscreen, but honestly, im not getting into another tired discussion on origin stories or how they're "The only way you can develop characters".

 

[The Sage]

I have no problems with this movie being an origin story. I'm just hoping that while the familiar story is told that new themes and elements will be given time in the process. That's part of the reason why I had preferred they just jump right into Superman already established, but if they can do both at the same time, then that's cool. We'd get both.

 

[Zionite]

^ this having nothing to do with what I'm saying, not to mention that BB was done because we NEVER saw Batman's complete origin onscreen, but honestly, im not getting into another tired discussion on origin stories or how they're "The only way you can develop characters".

Dude We saw Supermans Origin on screen 30 years ago!Whats wrong with them doing it now.
Fact of the matter is they should do a Origin story.Superman as a character has beeen so misinterpreted to the GA,it would be best to introduce Superman to the GA,in a modern setting.It should be done properly.

 

[The Batman]

The "we saw the origin 30 years ago" is a lame excuse thats not even ACCURATE. We've seen the origin in STAS, L & C, and smallville, which has been a 10 year origin story. Most people who use that excuse know this, so why they continue to act like people only watch superman when hes in theaters, i dunno.

The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The "we saw the origin 30 years ago" is a lame excuse thats not even ACCURATE. We've seen the origin in STAS, L & C, and smallville, which has been a 10 year origin story. Most people who use that excuse know this, so why they continue to act like people only watch superman when hes in theaters, i dunno.

The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories.

But an origin helps you connect more with the character,rather than just caring about them. And the audience SERIOUSLY needs to connect with Superman.

 

[Zionite]

The "we saw the origin 30 years ago" is a lame excuse thats not even ACCURATE. We've seen the origin in STAS, L & C, and smallville, which has been a 10 year origin story. Most people who use that excuse know this, so why they continue to act like people only watch superman when hes in theaters, i dunno.

The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories.

ITs not at all a lame excuse.The amount of people who have seen STAS, L & C, and smallville are a very small fraction of the total movie going audience .For example smallville viwers are about 3mil.Thats hardly much is it.

And yes you are right in saying "The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories".BUT it is very,very difficult to do so without Origin storie s especially for a charcter like Supertman who has been branded unrelatable.

 

[JAK®]

But an origin helps you connect more with the character,rather than just caring about them. And the audience SERIOUSLY needs to connect with Superman.

Audiences connected with Indiana Jones and James Bond just fine.

 

[The Sage]

ITs not at all a lame excuse.The amount of people who have seen STAS, L & C, and smallville are a very small fraction of the total movie going audience .For example smallville viwers are about 3mil.Thats hardly much is it.

And yes you are right in saying "The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories".BUT it is very,very difficult to do so without Origin storie s especially for a charcter like Supertman who has been branded unrelatable.

Is it really that difficult? You could always use flashbacks if the story being told needs to pull of history from a character's past. Not to mention the right kind of story can you let get into the character's head to give insight and understanding.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Just use the first page from All-Star Superman the exact same way and be done with it. Everyone wins.

 

[batman44]

It's not difficult. Movies, tv shows, books, and etc have been telling stories of characters without ever going on into the origin and done them well.

 

[Zionite]

Is it really that difficult? You could always use flashbacks if the story being told needs to pull of history from a character's past. Not to mention the right kind of story can you let get into the character's head to give insight and understanding.

Yes it is.If you want to break all preconcieved notions of the character it is important to give us a full understanding of the chracter.
Now Im not saying go SM style origin-Im actually calling for a BB style origin.They should go with Birthright Earth one and a hint of Man of steel

 

[The Sage]

Yes it is.If you want to break all preconcieved notions of the character it is important to give us a full understanding of the chracter.
Now Im not saying go SM style origin-Im actually calling for a BB style origin.They should go with Birthright Earth one and a hint of Man of steel

If you want to break pre-conceived notions you just alter certain things. Change the way Lex is portrayed, have Superman face a physical opponent, show sides of the character that weren't seen before. Matter of fact, you could start the movie with an origin sequence like Superman II and Spider-Man II and then jump right into the story.

 

[Kurosawa]

The "we saw the origin 30 years ago" is a lame excuse thats not even ACCURATE. We've seen the origin in STAS, L & C, and smallville, which has been a 10 year origin story. Most people who use that excuse know this, so why they continue to act like people only watch superman when hes in theaters, i dunno.

The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories.

Mostly people want the origin because they have been taught over the past 25 years that the only interesting Superman stories are his origin and his death.

Only reason I have much interest in the origin is because I want to see a Krypton that doesn't suck. But that can be easily fixed in a non origin movie by having Supes visit Kandor and in flashbacks.

Not that they'd ever have the guts to do that.

 

[The Batman]

ITs not at all a lame excuse.

No. It very much is.

All I'm basically hearing from people that demand an origin is that "its the easiest way to get people to care about Superman".

What an absolutely lazy way of thinking.