Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

[Spade]

Restart, continuation...I don't care. I just want a good Superman movie.

 

[BMM]

Jude Law as Superman? I don’t see it. Law is inherently smarmy, and almost everything else that Superman isn’t. Regardelss of writing, I don't see him escaping that.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Jim Caviezel for Superman himself.

Harrison Ford for Jonathan 'Pa' Kent.

 

[Spade]

I want a Superman who looks charismatic, but is older. Caviezel and Law are good actors, but I don't feel they fit the bill.

 

[8blades]

It's so bad that Batman is DESTROYING Superman in the movie arena.....

 

[Spade]

It's so bad that Batman is DESTROYING Superman in the movie arena.....

The two aren't comparable. They're both DC icons, but Batman is a man in a costume fighting crime. Superman is an alien with superhuman powers who fights against global threats as much as the typical crime. You need less for a good Batman movie than you do for a good Superman movie.

 

[KalMart]

The two aren't comparable. They're both DC icons, but Batman is a man in a costume fighting crime. Superman is an alien with superhuman powers who fights against global threats as much as the typical crime. You need less for a good Batman movie than you do for a good Superman movie.

Yet here was BB, providing more.

 

[BMM]

It's so bad that Batman is DESTROYING Superman in the movie arena.....

I guess... Judging by the fanboy reaction on the Hype, the current interpretation of Batman is destroying almost every superhero in the movie arena and not just Superman.

 

[Spade]

Batman Begins was well-received because it met the expectations of a good Batman movie. It doesn't hurt that expectations were low after Batman & Robin.

 

[BMM]

Very true.

 

[KalMart]

Batman Begins was well-received because it met the expectations of a good Batman movie. It doesn't hurt that expectations were low after Batman & Robin.

Really? I think it did well because it was a good movie...be it Batman or not. It worked equally well as a superhero movie, and a gothic thriller, appealing to both avid fans of Batman and regular moviegoers alike. You didn't have to be a Batman fan to enjoy the movie.

 

[Anita18]

supes went and came back, he already existed in returns and the public's atitude and his own atitude to his return was apparent in routh's performance in trying to re-establish his role in a world which had learn to live without him after being so reliant on him.

Now see, I thought that SR was missing that completely. After seeing the trailers, I got the idea that Superman was supposed to be dealing how people didn't accept him (or something of that nature) after he returned, but while watching the movie, I literally thought, "WTF?!" when he rescued everyone on the plane in the middle of a sold-out baseball game less than halfway through. Then it turned into, "Lex hates Superman cause he's Lex, and Lois loves/hates Superman cause she's bitter." The so-called epic conflict within Supes became laughable for me.

The two aren't comparable. They're both DC icons, but Batman is a man in a costume fighting crime. Superman is an alien with superhuman powers who fights against global threats as much as the typical crime. You need less for a good Batman movie than you do for a good Superman movie.

I wouldn't say "less," but it's admittedly easier to make an intelligent Batman movie than an intelligent Superman movie. Batman's got his obsession, his tormented psyche, the vigilante angle, his violence, his lack of superpowers that make him physically vulnerable, etc.

With Superman, it's impossible to make a convincing physical conflict without involving kryptonite, because he's got all these superpowers. And he's supposed to be this bright beacon of hope that's all-good, so that nixes all of the dark stuff that makes Batman really interesting in the psychological sense, as well as the ambiguous relationship he has with the police and the public. Superman is not a vigilante, and he doesn't hurt people - everyone loooves Superman. So what kind of conflict can he have?

The best thing I can think of (although I am no writer), is him getting frustrated that people aren't heeding his example of goodness.

ETA: I normally wouldn't be so frustrated by a movie like I am for SR. The film really had some good moments, but they were lost in this giant mess of a plot that just wasn't convincing and didn't make sense even within the world of the movie. And it's always more frustrating when something with potential fails badly than when something that was supposed to be bad anyway fails badly.

 

[The Chris]

Really? I think it did well because it was a good movie...be it Batman or not. It worked equally well as a superhero movie, and a gothic thriller, appealing to both avid fans of Batman and regular moviegoers alike. You didn't have to be a Batman fan to enjoy the movie.

Exactly. People I know who aren't Batman fans felt that Begins was the only one that felt like a "real" film that went beyond what is expected from a comic book film.

 

[Spade]

A good superhero film should also be a good movie. That goes without saying.

 

[Captain Villa]

Batman Begins was well-received because it met the expectations of a good Batman movie. It doesn't hurt that expectations were low after Batman & Robin.

The way nolan has set up the Batverse, he could compete in the Bond and Bourne arena and not look out of place.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

They should kill of the kid and james marsdens character, so that Superma's inabillity to save them causes him to turn to the red kryptonite so that the next movie becomes a more dark movie. They should also introduce some villians that causes a real threat to superman and the world and maybe keep Lex Luthor out of the movie.

 

[bgshw44]

They should kill of the kid and james marsdens character, so that Superma's inabillity to save them causes him to turn to the red kryptonite so that the next movie becomes a more dark movie. They should also introduce some villians that causes a real threat to superman and the world and maybe keep Lex Luthor out of the movie.

one of the problems w/SR was the tone, it was too dark already

 

[singer_will_fly]

You've already posted that in another thread. When you go thread to thread posting the same thing, it is called spamming. Please don't do it.

---Matt

 

[EagleVision]

Singer messed up. He thought paying homage would lead to nostalgia and lead to the return of Superman. Instead, he did not bank on fans being a bit clever and realizing that he brought Superman back with no NEW ideas.
Look at Batman Begins. As soon as Batman flipped over the card, people were already talking about the sequel. Nolan COMPLETELY flipped the script on the franchise. He not only did that, but he did it well.
Superman needs a director who is not afraid of taking a big risk and re-imagining Superman for the millenium. Kids will follow Bale's Batman over Routh ANYDAY! The Routh Superman just ain't relevant for today.

Superman needs a change and needs it NOW!

One word comes to mind - AMEN!

 

[Sub-Zero]

I personally feel like Superman SHOULD be humanized. I don't like the messiah-esque, pre-crisis Superman, who is more alien than human. Superman was raised by humans. He is human, granted not biologically...but, well, nature vs. nurture. In many ways Superman is more human than Batman. That is one of the many little ironies/contrasts of the two characters that I love.

you are definitely right. donner and singer made it seems like superman had a mission on earth to save humanity. post-crisis clark kent became superman because he felt like the world needed him. he's a god who was raised as a human, and uses his human morals to seek justice.

 

[El Payaso]

Singer messed up. He thought paying homage would lead to nostalgia and lead to the return of Superman. Instead, he did not bank on fans being a bit clever and realizing that he brought Superman back with no NEW ideas.

We have to rule out the son, Richard as Lois new love partner and Superman leaving for five years before starting to appreciate such argument.

Look at Batman Begins.

Great story. Corny, repetitive, informative dialogues and crappy action though. Some secondary characters sadly adulterated.

As soon as Batman flipped over the card, people were already talking about the sequel.

So you're worried about popularity and since Nolan achieved that you automatically think he can do that for every superhero movie he makes no matter if it's completely different from Batman.

Nolan COMPLETELY flipped the script on the franchise. He not only did that, but he did it well.

Yes.

Kids will follow Bale's Batman over Routh ANYDAY!

Kids will give their money to a bum and travel around the world in order to devote their lives to fight crime as Routh did in Batman? I think they most probably will date models and take bath with them in hotel's pools in their tuxedos instead.

Superman needs a director who is not afraid of taking a big risk and re-imagining Superman for the millenium.

Like a superhero with problems instead of a 2-D propagandistic icon.

 

[El Payaso]

Yet here was BB, providing more.

More useless repetition of words and lines for the sake of it. And certainly more annoying one-liners.

More unintelligible fight scenes too.

Really? I think it did well because it was a good movie...be it Batman or not.

Perception is a world of curiosity.

It worked equally well as a superhero movie, and a gothic thriller, appealing to both avid fans of Batman and regular moviegoers alike.

It worked in many aspects and didn't in many others.

You didn't have to be a Batman fan to enjoy the movie.

Being not a big fan of fight scenes would work too.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's funny, I find El Payaso to be a smug annoying character who, regarding Superman Returns, I couldn't disagree with more. But... I completely agree with his take on Batman Begins.

 

[Superman-Prime]

I have to say something...

Keep Brandon Routh as Superman. That's all.

 

[Sun_Down]

I don't think Batman Begins "reimagined" Batman in any way. If anything, it just boiled the character down to his essence and ran with it. Similarly, Superman just needs to be embraced for what he is. He needs to be that larger-than-life symbol of hope and justice. He doesn't need to be modernized or revamped, he just needs to be, well, Superman.