Superman Reboot Writers Workshop

You do have the right to write vague sequels but I for the life of me don't understand why you would want another vague sequel to Donner's flicks???

Well, a few reasons.

1) If you start at the end of Superman II, he can be seen as being in a similar place to where he was at the end of The Supergirl Saga. There are certainly differences between the films' Superman and Byrne's Superman, but the similarities outweigh them and I thought this could reflect that.

2) I like the notion of acknowledging history.

3) As evidenced by your post and others, Superman Returns hurt the reputation of Superman: the Movie and made people think that was the only avenue that the film could lead to (even though there was already a much different Superman III, critically derided as it was) and I want to say, "no."

4) While I would be happy to see a full-on reboot, I think that I--and most people--want to see the character move forward as a venerable character, but I was offended by Superman Returns. Not only that, but every time I sat down to think of how a redo of his origin could go, the more I realized, "you just want them to make this movie so they can make other movies," and I said, "you know what? They already did the origin movie."

Are you averse to somebody bringing something totally new to Superman?

No. I just like this idea better. You're putting words into my mouth.

The fact is, a vague sequel limits you unless you do some convoluted Star Trek time travel storyline.

No, your opinion is that a vague sequel limits you. Mine is that it frees you. It says "_______ happened," unless it just doesn't work whereby you say, "forget _________, we can fudge that."

It's time you stop living in the past and come up with something new.

I find this very condescending. Just because I think the old continuity is ambulatory, you accuse me of "living in the past?" And to say, "come up with something new," without any knowledge of the storyline I have in mind is utterly presumptuous.
 
Now, onto the actual plot of my story.

Yeah, I'm copying/pasting it from what I wrote on the imdb board. I might fix some of it.

the sort-of Cliff Notes is that he goes into the Fortress on the one-year anniversary of Zod's death to contemplate. "Did I do the right thing? Did I do the wrong thing?" Everyone seems to be more-or-less glad he did it, but he feels he's crossed a line. He knows people are comparing it to a cop or soldier killing in the line of duty, but that doesn't help him and almost makes him more convinced he did the wrong thing.

Then, the Eradicator is revealed to him--I guess kinda like in Smith's script, I'm still trying to figure it out--and basically says that he's this Kryptonian AI who was programmed partly to guide him safely to Earth and maintains the Fortress when he's gone, etc. etc. He tells Clark/Kal-El about some of the advancements in technology they have on Krypton and Clark thinks about bringing them to Earth and shares them with people. It's established here that as Clark, part of his routine is to "bash" Superman, btw.

He returns to the Fortress, but the more time goes on, he finds out that what the Eradicator wants to do is basically Kryptoform--like Terraforming--the Earth. He knows that the Eradicator is as strong/fast as him and that he can create robots and stuff. Superman tries to assemble the armies of the world to fight against them. Think early War on Terror. And they even attack the Fortress of Solitude under Superman's command. Even as he's convinced that this is necessary and he has to do it, people start to turn away. What's so bad about what they want to do? How do they know he isn't part of it? Some armies of smaller nations band together and try to put him down. It's a tough fight for him, but nothing he couldn't win.

He then returns to the Daily Planet as part of his routine. He gets into an argument with Lois regarding Superman and the more he "plays Devil's Advocate," the more he realizes that what those who have dissented do have a point and he goes back to what's left of the Fortress. There's a final showdown with the Eradicator and there's tons of punching & kicking, but in the end, the Eradicator states that he felt his idea was for the betterment of "this planet's sentient beings." Superman says, "I thought my unification of the world was for their betterment, but now I know, I can't [be all "my way or the highway, I'm still pondering the wording]." In the end, Superman remembers that he is "in charge of the Eradicator" and orders him to stop and that any move toward introducing Kryptonian technology or creating a Kryptoformed Earth" should come at a slow--if existent at all--pace.

I just don't want it to be, "he delivers a final blow," and I want it to say something about hubris. That Superman was

I also toyed with the idea of having Lois, Jimmy and-or Perry discover his secret I.D. I think if they knew, they could better serve as P.O.V. characters because, well, they'd know something everyone from eight-to-eighty knows. Since they don't, it's a little harder.
 
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All I can say is, I pray that WB doesn't decide to do another sequel to the Donner/Lester Superman movies. If they do, (unlikely) they deserve the huge boxoffice failure that they would get.
 
Now, onto the actual plot of my story.

Yeah, I'm copying/pasting it from what I wrote on the imdb board. I might fix some of it.

the sort-of Cliff Notes is that he goes into the Fortress on the one-year anniversary of Zod's death to contemplate. "Did I do the right thing? Did I do the wrong thing?" Everyone seems to be more-or-less glad he did it, but he feels he's crossed a line. He knows people are comparing it to a cop or soldier killing in the line of duty, but that doesn't help him and almost makes him more convinced he did the wrong thing.

Then, the Eradicator is revealed to him--I guess kinda like in Smith's script, I'm still trying to figure it out--and basically says that he's this Kryptonian AI who was programmed partly to guide him safely to Earth and maintains the Fortress when he's gone, etc. etc. He tells Clark/Kal-El about some of the advancements in technology they have on Krypton and Clark thinks about bringing them to Earth and shares them with people. It's established here that as Clark, part of his routine is to "bash" Superman, btw.

He returns to the Fortress, but the more time goes on, he finds out that what the Eradicator wants to do is basically Kryptoform--like Terraforming--the Earth. He knows that the Eradicator is as strong/fast as him and that he can create robots and stuff. Superman tries to assemble the armies of the world to fight against them. Think early War on Terror. And they even attack the Fortress of Solitude under Superman's command. Even as he's convinced that this is necessary and he has to do it, people start to turn away. What's so bad about what they want to do? How do they know he isn't part of it? Some armies of smaller nations band together and try to put him down. It's a tough fight for him, but nothing he couldn't win.

He then returns to the Daily Planet as part of his routine. He gets into an argument with Lois regarding Superman and the more he "plays Devil's Advocate," the more he realizes that what those who have dissented do have a point and he goes back to what's left of the Fortress. There's a final showdown with the Eradicator and there's tons of punching & kicking, but in the end, the Eradicator states that he felt his idea was for the betterment of "this planet's sentient beings." Superman says, "I thought my unification of the world was for their betterment, but now I know, I can't [be all "my way or the highway, I'm still pondering the wording]." In the end, Superman remembers that he is "in charge of the Eradicator" and orders him to stop and that any move toward introducing Kryptonian technology or creating a Kryptoformed Earth" should come at a slow--if existent at all--pace.

I just don't want it to be, "he delivers a final blow," and I want it to say something about hubris. That Superman was

I also toyed with the idea of having Lois, Jimmy and-or Perry discover his secret I.D. I think if they knew, they could better serve as P.O.V. characters because, well, they'd know something everyone from eight-to-eighty knows. Since they don't, it's a little harder.

This borrows very heavily from the Exile arc in the Superman books back when they were great. ... Under Ordway's direction built on the foundation laid by Byrne/Wolfman.
 
Make her lose her memory of ever meeting Clark after they kill off Chloe.

two words Kryptonite bullet...shoot Clark in the head and he'll forget everything....ala Wolverine...lol

After watching the season finale i think that this is as super as clark is going to go.We are all sitting around waiting for him to put on the suit and become superman and I dont think that is going to happen. He is already their superman
 
two words Kryptonite bullet...shoot Clark in the head and he'll forget everything....ala Wolverine...lol

After watching the season finale i think that this is as super as clark is going to go.We are all sitting around waiting for him to put on the suit and become superman and I dont think that is going to happen. He is already their superman

He put the costume should be the last scene of the last episode of the last season.
 
He put the costume should be the last scene of the last episode of the last season.
Agreed, though I would enjoy to see that rather at the top of the last episode and have the end of the series be him doing his first heroic act in the costume. Probably saving Lois or something or the other.
 
I dont think we are gonna see him in costume
 
I've been writing a Superman script and I actually plan to send it in. I havent finished and it is still a very very rough draft I havent proofread or anything but I'll pm it to a few ppl who are interested and can provide good constructive criticism. PM me if you want the link
 
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I've been writing a Superman script and I actually plan to send it in. I havent finished and it is still a very very rough draft I havent proofread or anything but I'll pm it to a few ppl who are interested and can provide good constructive criticism. PM me if you want the link
i think your wasting your time.....its almost like that one episode on family guy, when peter and his son(forgot his name lol)and his daughter were talking about making a cartoon....and his daughter kept putting her sensible ideas into the conversation,but peter and his son kept saying to each other that she wasnt cutting it, and that they wanted to get rid of her...lol....meanwhile their ideas didnt make any sense.....yea, their wb, and your the daughter...
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I know it probaly wont get picked actually I'm pretty sure it wont get picked. I had fun writing the script and I want to show them. I was bored of just girls, video games, comics, and movies. I wanted to do something a little different then what most ppl do. Make fun if you want but at least I'm doing something different and interesting
 
shoot me a link though i dunno who you can send it in to
 
I know it probaly wont get picked actually I'm pretty sure it wont get picked. I had fun writing the script and I want to show them. I was bored of just girls, video games, comics, and movies. I wanted to do something a little different then what most ppl do. Make fun if you want but at least I'm doing something different and interesting
i wasnt doubting it would get picked, just teasing how wb rejects good ideas...ps implying that yours probably is a great idea
 
We have some clueless fans, if they believe going with an origin story, is a bad idea. Superman should be reintroduced in a BIG way, displaying his awesome force as the greatest SH of all time. :o

It is hard not to bring up BB, but there is a great example of how to build the character up for a new generation while keeping the ole' fans happy.
 
I have a question for everyone. I'm curious, if there were ever an elseworld story that featured Jor-El as the main villian, how would you feel and how do you think it come across? On one hand, it could be very cliche and Luke/Vader like, and on the other hand, it could be awesome and impactful. What do you think?
 
what if the Earth and Krypton planets were connected? what about a story (not the origin movie) where we find out that there is a reason why they look the same.
 
I've written a brief synopsis for a new Superman film, first time doing anything like this but long-time Superman fan. Have borrowed a few ideas from the comics as most of the best Superman storylines are there (and every other superhero film does it :D) but my synopsis does follow on directly from Superman Returns and addresses some of the main points in that film which I felt were left slightly unresolved. Will post it up tonight once I finish it.
 
that isnt even out yet right? i still say like some other here take all the best elements used in stas/smallville/and bryne/etc..... stuff.
 
ok i was pretty sure it didnt come out yet. But yea i still say like others use the best elements of all superman eras and make a good story around that composite of the character traits.
 
First of all, I think that the next one should be a reboot, with a new origin, but with a different take on the formula: the origin is shown near the end of the film.

How? Well, I was thinking of a villain that would be interesting to see Superman fight, and I thought of Eradicator. Here's how I basically see it going:

At the beginning of the film, Superman is already established in Metropolis, but he's only recently established. He knows he's not from Earth, but he really doesn't know much of anything about Krypton, or where he's from at this point. The romance with Lois is not developed yet either, not on Clark's side, nor Superman's.

Now, here's the part of my idea you guys may not like: he still lives with his parents. Now I know what you're thinking, "Wtf?" but just let me explain. He stays with them mostly to help his father take care of his mother, whose health is declining a lot. Now, during the course of the film, he does get an apartment, as he's invited Lois to dinner, which she accepts to humor him.

Anyway, Knowing she won't be around much longer, Martha has Jonathan take Clark outside into the field, and tells him that buried there in the field is the "basket" they found him in. He digs it up (which doesn't take too long for him) and finds the rocket that took him to Earth as a baby. However, he accidentally activates something deep inside it.

As he lays in bed asleep, he has brief visions in his dreams of a dying planet, and blurry figures he can't make out. He wakes up in a cold sweat just as the rocket takes off on his own. He follows it all the way to the Arctic, and it lands in the distance. Slowly, the environment around it takes on bizarre shapes and forms, and strange structures seem to build themselves. When the Fortress of Solitude is complete, Clark goes inside and finds the rocket transformed into a bizarre iron maiden-like device.

He then hurries away in time to stop a disaster of some sort, and this is when the relationship with Clark and Lois builds some more, along with his relationship with the Daily Planet. Later in the day, when all seems well and calm (except for Superman/Clark), he goes back to the fortress to find that the great glowing cocoon is shifting.

The strange, glowing sarcophagus opens, and the Eradicator steps out, a highly advanced android with an A.I. system that creates an almost human personality. It explains to him that he is of a vast alien race from a planet called Krypton, and that he was designed and programmed to nurture him and teach him of his heritage, but that when he entered Earth's atmosphere, his system malfunctioned, and he had to shut down until he could be reactivated. At first, Clark is glad that he has the company, as Eradicator displays a lot of powers not unlike his own.

The day goes by as usual, with Clark turning into Superman to save a burning school, or something like that, and as usual, he denies Lois the interview she's been wanting. However, he has a harsh episode when the visions return again, and he nearly fails to save Lois from some sort of peril.

When Clark goes to sleep the next night, the dreams come again, but more fierce and emotional. He confronts the Eradicator about it, and the Eradicator tells him that he's been probing his mind, and feeding this knowledge directly into his memory. He tells the Eradicator that he doesn't want this knowledge, that it's taking a toll on him mentally and emotionally. Eradicator decides that he's not an ally, but an obstacle. Confused by Eradicators behavior, he asks just what it is that he was really sent to do.

Eradicator reveals his plan: to turn Earth into a new Krypton by terraforming the entire planet in a process that would eradicate all life on Earth, but Superman. A fight scene ensues, but Eradicator manages to overpower him with not only his vast physical powers, but his mental powers as well. Superman has no choice but to flee and recover.

Eradicator sets his plan into motion, as he begins to grow another Fortress in the South Pole, directly aligned with the Fortress in the North. However, the Fortress destroys a LexCorp research facility, and the public is overwhelmed with fear as the Eradicator tells humanity that all Earth life is to be destroyed. He begins the process, and a strange biological agent is released from both fortresses, and strange bio-engineered, almost mechanical plant-life begins to grow at an incredibly rapid pace.

Superman, however, after a climactic battle against the strange carnivorous plants, manages to destroy the Southern Fortress. While the world waits in fear of it's doom, Superman knows that the only way to truly destroy the creatures and save the world is to go directly to the source: The Eradicator. Fully charged and ready for battle, Superman flies to the Northern Fortress. He confronts him, saying that he's failed, but the Eradicator has an ace in the hole: he can still turn Earth into a New Krypton by flying into our sun and turning it into a red dwarf star.

This is when the big showdown in the sky takes place. After the huge fight, the Eradicator knowing that he is about to be defeated, tells Superman something like the following: "I may fail this mission, but for the rest of your life, you're going to wish I hadn't...Kal-El."

It is here that was see the origin: The Eradicator fills Superman's head with knowledge all at once, beginning with his father. His father, Jor-El, was working on a large ship that could transport his family, and a handful of other survivors, to a safe location. While the physical ship itself was finished, the system required to run it was not. He uploads the unfinished system into the smaller rocket to test it, but as Krypton begins to quake, he realizes there is no time left, and he sends Kal-El off in the ship at the very moment of Krypton's death.

Superman manages to overpower the Eradicator, as he's cleverly allowed them to be close enough to the sun so that he may absorb it's radiation, boosting his powers. He tells Eradicator, "I'm not driven by who I was, or what I could have been, but by who I am, and what I can still be." Superman, using all of his strength, grabs Eradicator, and divebombs with him all the way to Earth.

As the two of them streak across the sky, and the music builds to it's peak, the people of the world watch in amazement.

"Look, up in the sky...it's a bird..."
"It's a plane!"
"No...it's Superman," says an astonished Lois Lane.

The atmospheric re-entry burns Eradicator up, and fries his entire system. The impact makes a small crater in the Arctic, but the Eradicator is now totally destroyed. The mechanical plant creatures die, and decay just as quickly as they grew.

Superman returns to Metropolis, and the entire world cheers for him. At the end of the film, Superman finally agrees to that interview, but before they can start, he flies away to save someone in trouble.

End credits.

After the credits, we're taken to a laboratory owned by LexCorp. One of the plant creatures is being autopsied, and Lex is told by a scientist that with this, it may be possible to grow bio-mechanical living tissue. Lex isn't interested until he's told that a sample of Superman's blood was obtained from the scene as well.

A bit long, but you get the idea. I'm sure there's plenty of room for improvement, but this was just a broad, general idea of a Superman film I'd like to see. As time goes on, I'll likely add to this idea, with things like casting, music, even design
 

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