The Dark Knight TDK Press Screenings
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Ahhhh....
Those ppl who say
are in self-denial.
Because this is the way it happens in the movie, does not make him a liar.
You are all confusing what happens with what you WANT and WISH to happen.
Those ppl who say
they think this guy is lying because Dent doesn't get acid thrown in his face in a courtroom
Because this is the way it happens in the movie, does not make him a liar.
You are all confusing what happens with what you WANT and WISH to happen.
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Edit:Read it wrong.
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ooo i saw the tv ads omg the music heath bats wow.
along with wall-e it will be the best.
along with wall-e it will be the best.
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Wheres the link to the rotten tomato review with the scar stories?Anyone care to link?
Right here.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/forumdisplay.php?f=101184851
There's also a few funny posts by the same poster. He goes on to say how pissed he is that they are naming the film and referring to Batman as The Dark Knight. Says it ties Batman into being a servant of Satan or some hilarious crap. He also says something along the lines of it's all because of "some guy named Miller" that started that name.
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I'm a bit dissapointed, if its true, Two-Face gets locked up. I was under the impression that atleast he would be on the loose forcing the story to be left without a total conclusion, thus having one of Batman's most interesting foe's left for a third and final film.
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Very true...that's why I'm not putting 100% faith in his review.
To be honest though...something about it has me believing it a bit though...even though some of the things I don't care for.
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Symbiotic where in Indiana are you from???
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Well in The Long Halloween Two-face gets locked up but that didn't stop him in Dark Victory now did it?
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Indeed.
Thank for just typing "Indeed" and not posting that damn Juno pic.
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I'm just not convinced at all. He said that it was an employee screening...employees of what? A theater? Would they be getting the film this early?
And just too many things don't sound right. The fake Batmen/Scarecrow thing, the Joker going around telling people about his scars (the quote he gave us sounded really ridiculous, and frankly the kind of thing you would hear in a bad fanfilm), and the rooftop final showdown (Batman '89 anybody?)
Really, this review could be written by anybody who's followed the production of the film, and is starved enough for attention to put the effort into writing all that. It could be written by anybody on the board.
And just too many things don't sound right. The fake Batmen/Scarecrow thing, the Joker going around telling people about his scars (the quote he gave us sounded really ridiculous, and frankly the kind of thing you would hear in a bad fanfilm), and the rooftop final showdown (Batman '89 anybody?)
Really, this review could be written by anybody who's followed the production of the film, and is starved enough for attention to put the effort into writing all that. It could be written by anybody on the board.
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Okay everyone, I dont know if someone has already bothered to do this, but im too lazy to rummage through and check since it won't take up much space to put this up in a spoiler tag. I compiled all of the relevant posts by a one sir mtdogg over at the rottentomatoes boards. There might be some other thread where he continues, but for me it stops at page five.
So heres a compilation, its pretty huge and if you want to go through the whole thing and this thing turns out to be legit (which I somewhat both hope for and against) then you'll have a really great deal of the movie spoiled. if mods want to keep this they might want to move it or maybe even make a new thread for it. anyways, apologies if this is unnecessary/isn't allowed or shouldn't be done for any reason. enjoy
Pt 1.
So heres a compilation, its pretty huge and if you want to go through the whole thing and this thing turns out to be legit (which I somewhat both hope for and against) then you'll have a really great deal of the movie spoiled. if mods want to keep this they might want to move it or maybe even make a new thread for it. anyways, apologies if this is unnecessary/isn't allowed or shouldn't be done for any reason. enjoy
Pt 1.
He's the hero when Gotham needs one - thanklessly fighting the evil that all of us fear; but that we all have within us. When necessary he will turn and take the blame for all that has gone wrong. He is whatever the city needs him to be. He is unflinching and uncorruptable. He is Batman.
This theme runs throughout The Dark Knight - which is, the darkest, unforgiving Batman movie I have ever seen - and Christopher Nolan's epic masterpiece. We either die the hero, or live to see ourselves become the villian.
It seems the streets are safer in Gotham, and crime lords now fear the night - however, from the opening shot we get a forboding sense of the evil to come. And evil comes - in a opening bank heist sequence that I would never dare give away - we meet the Joker. I find it difficult to put into words exactly how i felt watching Heath Ledger portray the joker, now that he has passed - it almost pains me to think that he will never get to see this movie. He has created one of the most mercilessly evil characters I have ever seen on screen, one that actually disturbed me from time to time because i didn't know what he would do next - one that nearly gaurantees him an Oscar nomination. From the moment he shares his first "magic trick" with the table of crime lords, he will stun you - you will not look away when he is on screen. I think he will make some people unsettled.
As the crime lords unite and align under one leader, "The Joker" - with one purpose - "Kill The Batman" - it may seem like our hero Batman takes the backseat here, and you would be slightly correct. While Christian Bale is amazing as always, this is Heath Ledger's show. But Batman is back with a slick new bike, new suit, and a mess of gadgets from Morgan Freeman - that Christopher Nolan of course takes ample time to explain. I have to say that Aaron Eckhart sometimes rubs me the wrong way, but he is great here as Harvey Dent - the shining ray of hope for Gotham, and Two Face - the evil he has become. Make no mistake, Two Face is not some gag reveal tacked on at the end of the film - no, Two Face is a seriously grotesque villian not to be taken lightly; heads you live, tails you die. Maggie Gyllenhaal is a much stronger character than Katie Holmes' version - and creates a dynamic love triangle between her, Wayne, and Harvey Dent.
The series themes of violent escalation take effect, and things quickly become out of control as the Joker holds the city hostage and stages several nightmare scenarios - forcing innocents to make sadistic decisions. Christopher Nolan holds nothing back. Tumbler and batpod chases ensue, evenly matched with bone crunching fist fights where Bale shows off the strength off his new glove hydrolics. Even when faith is lost, and it appears things are at their worst Batman thanklessly fights on - until two principle showdowns when decisions are made, and characters are defined.
This movie is beautifully paced by Nolan, with a very strong script. His action sequences are a marvel to behold (an end over end tractor trailer flip had the audience gasping), George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have been made to look like complete fools this summer. There is just a scant of CGI to be seen throughout - at one moment a helicopter was crashing and I was thinking, "here come the computer effects", but no - real flaming wreckage.
Dark Knight will excite you one moment, terrify you the next, and then will grip your heart to see the tragic falls of several main characters - no one is safe in this film. Ledger's performance is not one you will forget quickly, he channeled evil for this role, and I am not taken aback easily. Nolan continues his grand opus that he has been orchestrating since Batman Begins, and will continue on into a third film i am sure. Which is good because Dark Knight ends with a slightly "to be continued" feel to it. This is the movie of the summer, and one of the smartest action movies ever made.
Now just try to hold your excitement for a few more weeks.
9.5/10 - One of the great, dark, comic book epics to ever grace the screen.
How good is the interrogation scene between Batman and The Joker?
It actually might be Ledger's best scene, when he's being pummeled in the corner and just laughing knowing he's going to make Batman face such a tough decision - it's truly psychotic.
Was I too vague, I just wanted to express my feelings and discuss the major players, plot, theme without giving anything away? Do you guys want more?
Originally Posted by spiderv
just curious, does this movie ever drag at some scenes, or does it feel long at all? just wondering because 2 and half hours sounds pretty long
If you liked the first one, than you will love this one. I guess what I mean is that Chistopher Nolan loves explaining and dialogue, so if you like that style of deep character development, then you will be totally engrossed. These are the sickest and most twisted characters we have in film right now.
SPOILER*****SPOILER*******SPOILER*******
It is epic.
An opening sequence uses Batman 'copy cats' with shotguns led by the Scarecrow. Where is the real batman? CRASH - the tumbler comes bursting through the wall - but it's empty - just a distraction. From the shadows the copy cats get laid out one by one from bone crunching hits.
Later - There is an epic sequence when the Gotham swat team are escorting Harvey Dent in an armor car convoy (Joker publicly threatens his life) - when a tractor trailer pulls up next to the convoy. The doors fly open revealing the Joker and his men as they lay seige to the convoy from the belly of the truck. Batman gives chase in the tumbler but is wiped out. And just when we think he's done - the tumbler splits and the badpod launches out - the chase is on!
s it as good as the HYPE is making it out too be. Will some people like Fanboys be dissapointed. And will the soccer moms complian about the look of Twoface.
Heath Ledger's performance lives up to the hype - it is amazing and creepy as hell.
I think fanboys will really like it, it's the darkest batman film that's ever been made.
Kids are gonna freak if their parents take them, Joker is seriously scary - and two face is disgusting.
just wondering...what prevented you from giving it a 10/10?
and would you say this is ledgers best performance? assuming you've seen brokeback mountain or monsters ball.
is the hand to hand combat directed/shot better since batman begins hand to hand wasn't that great?
would you claim it to be the GREATEST comic book movie ever made?
I guess I didn't give it a 10/10 because it didn't feel completely wrapped up - it left me with a 'to be continued' feeling. Similar to the first movie, events have drawn to a conclusion, but there is so much more to be done - Batman's got more problems when the movie ends than when it started. I guess that's the beauty of Batman though, he keeps fighting against and endless evil.
Ledger has some great performances under his belt, and this is his scariest creation and one that I personally think will score him an Oscar nom.
The hand to hand combat is much better, and there are a lot of fight scenes. It's not so hard to make out what's going on this time, Batman lays A LOT of beat down on bad guys.
I thought before that Spiderman 2 was probably the best comic book that's been made so far - but Dark Knight has superior writing. While Spiderman 2 is good for all ages, Dark Knight is the movie us Batman fans have been waiting for.
1. Was it better the the 1st one?
2.Was as good as you hoped for?
3.Did people clap at the end?
It was better than the first one, while the first one was a great, great origin story - this movie is what we've been waiting for, the real meat of this series. This is what the first movie was preparing us for.
It surpassed my expectations - sometimes directors struggle creating the same feeling in the sequel, but Nolan's script is fantastic and his directing is pitch-perfect. I can't wait to see it again when it opens.
People clapped at the end, and throughout the movie. There were also several collective gasps when events shocked the audience.
***SPOILER****
One gasp inducing moment is when Joker is introducing himself to the table of crime lords. He shows them a magic trick where he makes a pencil disappear. You will be stunned.
Again, sorry for coming off too harsh--I just wanna know.
No it's ok. Let me see if I can answer you.
****SPOILER****SPOILER****
So the Batpod does come out of the tumbler, but it doesn't take away from the realism, or seem Burton-esque. When Batman gets wiped out in the tumbler, we switch to a view of the cockpit HUD. We can see that the front left wheel of the tumbler serves as the front wheel of the batpod. The tumbler splits (limited CGI here), and two side mounted guns flip up - then he takes off - stunning the crowd that had started to gather around the wreckage. Then BOOM - the tumbler wreckage self destructs leaving no evidence.
I said An opening sequence uses Batman 'copy cats' - not The open scene. The opening scene is, as you stated, an amazingly crafted bank heist.
I don't have a ticket to take a picture of, they don't give tickets to employee screenings.
so how about the scarecrow?
as you said before he is in the film, at least a little bit.
does he have any more than a cameo?
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
Scarecrow is small time here. After a great beginning sequence with him, he doesn't reappear in the film. Batman has more to deal with than some punk spraying hallucinogens - there are serious, deadly forces at play here and a realistic city that honestly feels like it is in great danger. Joker makes Scarecrow look like Mr. Rodgers.
and how is bale's voice in this one...in the first one his voice was extremely raspy but in the trailer his voice seems to have improved somewhat.
I know that his Batman voice bothered some people, and it's back again in this film. I personally like it, because it's like his 'other side', and he's hiding Bruce Wayne.
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
Batman is a seasoned crime fighter and much darker here. At times when dealing with the Joker he straddles the fine line between Hero and Villian, the beauty of Bale's performance is that he knows he has to be a bad guy to fight this kind of evil, because the Joker doesn't play by any rules. He destroys, maimes, and kills - and not because he has a plan, but because he likes it. But Bale also knows he must be the hero, that's what separates him from the villians.
The Joker likes to tell stories to his victims, usually stories dealing with how he got his scars. He always tells a different story, and we are never sure how he got them or when he's telling the truth. One particular scene, while holding a knife to the face of a victim he says, "My daddy was a evil bastard. He would drink, and one night he took a knife to my face, and said - 'Why So Serious?', 'Why So Serious?', 'Let's put a smiiiiile on the face!". I have chills just remembering it. Joker's makeup gets more and more worndown as the film progresses until the end when it looks like open sores on his face. Nolan takes Two-Face to an extreme even i wasn't expecting.
This bit in the trailer when Joker says, "You have fight in you, I like that" - and out of nowhere Batman appears, "Then you're gonna love me" - POW. That's not cut up for the trailer, it happens just like that in a scene that will make you clap and cheer.
Is there any cheesy campy humor in TDK? Or is it all dark and serious?
Joker makes you chuckled a few times, and seeing stunned reactions of cops and pedestrians to the action that is going on can make you laugh here and there. But it's really the darkest, unforgiving Batman movie ever made.
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Alright I'm convinced now, sorry I doubted you. Could you possibly tell me whats going on with the burning money shot?
Alrighty, i'm going to list this as a spoiler just in case - i don't want to ruin anyone's day.
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
This is a great scene where we realize just how crazy Joker is. To prove he doesn't care about money at all, and just is totally insane - he burns the huge stack of money he and his cronies just fought to obtain, and there's a great shot of him in front of it. "It's all about sending a message", he says. He doesn't need payment, he just enjoys causing death and destruction.
hey, thanks for your time talking with us!
I just have a question about sal maroni, played by eric roberts. could you tell us how much he was featured in the movie, how was his performance etc. since we really havent seen anything with him so far in trailers or tv spots.
and if you could, for my flesh's sake, is it true that he gets off'd by an angry harey two face??
thanks again!
I believe that Sal Maroni has taken over as kingpin since Carmine Falcone's fall. He is in it quite a bit as one of the multiple crime lords that aligns behind the Joker out of fear.
***SPOILER***SPOILER***SPOILER***
It is unclear whether or not he lives or dies, the last we see him he is in the backseat of his car with Two Face. Two Face points the gun at him, and flips his coin. Heads - 'You are lucky', he says. Then he flips the coin a second time, Tails. 'But your driver isn't', BANG the drive goes down and we see the car crash and flip over - and that's it.
So you said that by the end the makeup runs off. Does that mean there's no chance of joker being perma white? Whats with his white hands in the jail scene and nurse scene? Also could you please tell me how he excapes from jail? Thank you.
The make up starts to wear off and get grimey, and his face starts to look like it has open sores. There is one small scene where he's not wearing make-up. From what i noticed, his fingers were white from his make-up rubbing off onto them.
I can't tell you how he escapes from jail, that's just too cool to give away.
Originally Posted by The Smelling Psycho
How creepy are the scenes where The Joker is dressed as a nurse?
The nurse scenes are amazing, and are the opening for the biggest action set piece of the movie at Gotham General. It is also a pivotal scene for Harvey Dent that completes his tragic fall from grace.
QUESTIONS:
1. How is the new Batman suit? Did his head look kinda big with the new neck, or was it just badass?
2. Was Gotham digitally enhanced, like in the first movie? (I know it's hard to tell) I mean, did it look huge in the ariel shots, or was it just Chicago?
THANKS
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
The Batman suit is new, complete with gloves that fire off bat-spike things, Wayne needs something lighter for a stealth mission in Hong Kong and then the suit is used throughout the movie. The helmet is based on a motorcycle helmet so that Wayne can now turn his head, "Helps me back out of the driveway", he says.
The city looks more realistic in this Batman, as hard as that is to believe. In the ariel shots i noticed that some of it must be CGI but it's seamless. In the first 30 minutes Nolan perfectly sets up a city in despair, a city that needs a hero.
Originally Posted by haseo_skeith
is their a final fight between the joker and batman and if their is how good is it?
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
There are several fights between Joker and Batman, including a final one in a tall building over looking the river where the Joker has multiple river-ferry's filled with innocents held hostage with explosives.
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This theme runs throughout The Dark Knight - which is, the darkest, unforgiving Batman movie I have ever seen - and Christopher Nolan's epic masterpiece. We either die the hero, or live to see ourselves become the villian.
It seems the streets are safer in Gotham, and crime lords now fear the night - however, from the opening shot we get a forboding sense of the evil to come. And evil comes - in a opening bank heist sequence that I would never dare give away - we meet the Joker. I find it difficult to put into words exactly how i felt watching Heath Ledger portray the joker, now that he has passed - it almost pains me to think that he will never get to see this movie. He has created one of the most mercilessly evil characters I have ever seen on screen, one that actually disturbed me from time to time because i didn't know what he would do next - one that nearly gaurantees him an Oscar nomination. From the moment he shares his first "magic trick" with the table of crime lords, he will stun you - you will not look away when he is on screen. I think he will make some people unsettled.
As the crime lords unite and align under one leader, "The Joker" - with one purpose - "Kill The Batman" - it may seem like our hero Batman takes the backseat here, and you would be slightly correct. While Christian Bale is amazing as always, this is Heath Ledger's show. But Batman is back with a slick new bike, new suit, and a mess of gadgets from Morgan Freeman - that Christopher Nolan of course takes ample time to explain. I have to say that Aaron Eckhart sometimes rubs me the wrong way, but he is great here as Harvey Dent - the shining ray of hope for Gotham, and Two Face - the evil he has become. Make no mistake, Two Face is not some gag reveal tacked on at the end of the film - no, Two Face is a seriously grotesque villian not to be taken lightly; heads you live, tails you die. Maggie Gyllenhaal is a much stronger character than Katie Holmes' version - and creates a dynamic love triangle between her, Wayne, and Harvey Dent.
The series themes of violent escalation take effect, and things quickly become out of control as the Joker holds the city hostage and stages several nightmare scenarios - forcing innocents to make sadistic decisions. Christopher Nolan holds nothing back. Tumbler and batpod chases ensue, evenly matched with bone crunching fist fights where Bale shows off the strength off his new glove hydrolics. Even when faith is lost, and it appears things are at their worst Batman thanklessly fights on - until two principle showdowns when decisions are made, and characters are defined.
This movie is beautifully paced by Nolan, with a very strong script. His action sequences are a marvel to behold (an end over end tractor trailer flip had the audience gasping), George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have been made to look like complete fools this summer. There is just a scant of CGI to be seen throughout - at one moment a helicopter was crashing and I was thinking, "here come the computer effects", but no - real flaming wreckage.
Dark Knight will excite you one moment, terrify you the next, and then will grip your heart to see the tragic falls of several main characters - no one is safe in this film. Ledger's performance is not one you will forget quickly, he channeled evil for this role, and I am not taken aback easily. Nolan continues his grand opus that he has been orchestrating since Batman Begins, and will continue on into a third film i am sure. Which is good because Dark Knight ends with a slightly "to be continued" feel to it. This is the movie of the summer, and one of the smartest action movies ever made.
Now just try to hold your excitement for a few more weeks.
9.5/10 - One of the great, dark, comic book epics to ever grace the screen.
How good is the interrogation scene between Batman and The Joker?
It actually might be Ledger's best scene, when he's being pummeled in the corner and just laughing knowing he's going to make Batman face such a tough decision - it's truly psychotic.
Was I too vague, I just wanted to express my feelings and discuss the major players, plot, theme without giving anything away? Do you guys want more?
Originally Posted by spiderv
just curious, does this movie ever drag at some scenes, or does it feel long at all? just wondering because 2 and half hours sounds pretty long
If you liked the first one, than you will love this one. I guess what I mean is that Chistopher Nolan loves explaining and dialogue, so if you like that style of deep character development, then you will be totally engrossed. These are the sickest and most twisted characters we have in film right now.
SPOILER*****SPOILER*******SPOILER*******
It is epic.
An opening sequence uses Batman 'copy cats' with shotguns led by the Scarecrow. Where is the real batman? CRASH - the tumbler comes bursting through the wall - but it's empty - just a distraction. From the shadows the copy cats get laid out one by one from bone crunching hits.
Later - There is an epic sequence when the Gotham swat team are escorting Harvey Dent in an armor car convoy (Joker publicly threatens his life) - when a tractor trailer pulls up next to the convoy. The doors fly open revealing the Joker and his men as they lay seige to the convoy from the belly of the truck. Batman gives chase in the tumbler but is wiped out. And just when we think he's done - the tumbler splits and the badpod launches out - the chase is on!
s it as good as the HYPE is making it out too be. Will some people like Fanboys be dissapointed. And will the soccer moms complian about the look of Twoface.
Heath Ledger's performance lives up to the hype - it is amazing and creepy as hell.
I think fanboys will really like it, it's the darkest batman film that's ever been made.
Kids are gonna freak if their parents take them, Joker is seriously scary - and two face is disgusting.
just wondering...what prevented you from giving it a 10/10?
and would you say this is ledgers best performance? assuming you've seen brokeback mountain or monsters ball.
is the hand to hand combat directed/shot better since batman begins hand to hand wasn't that great?
would you claim it to be the GREATEST comic book movie ever made?
I guess I didn't give it a 10/10 because it didn't feel completely wrapped up - it left me with a 'to be continued' feeling. Similar to the first movie, events have drawn to a conclusion, but there is so much more to be done - Batman's got more problems when the movie ends than when it started. I guess that's the beauty of Batman though, he keeps fighting against and endless evil.
Ledger has some great performances under his belt, and this is his scariest creation and one that I personally think will score him an Oscar nom.
The hand to hand combat is much better, and there are a lot of fight scenes. It's not so hard to make out what's going on this time, Batman lays A LOT of beat down on bad guys.
I thought before that Spiderman 2 was probably the best comic book that's been made so far - but Dark Knight has superior writing. While Spiderman 2 is good for all ages, Dark Knight is the movie us Batman fans have been waiting for.
1. Was it better the the 1st one?
2.Was as good as you hoped for?
3.Did people clap at the end?
It was better than the first one, while the first one was a great, great origin story - this movie is what we've been waiting for, the real meat of this series. This is what the first movie was preparing us for.
It surpassed my expectations - sometimes directors struggle creating the same feeling in the sequel, but Nolan's script is fantastic and his directing is pitch-perfect. I can't wait to see it again when it opens.
People clapped at the end, and throughout the movie. There were also several collective gasps when events shocked the audience.
***SPOILER****
One gasp inducing moment is when Joker is introducing himself to the table of crime lords. He shows them a magic trick where he makes a pencil disappear. You will be stunned.
Again, sorry for coming off too harsh--I just wanna know.
No it's ok. Let me see if I can answer you.
****SPOILER****SPOILER****
So the Batpod does come out of the tumbler, but it doesn't take away from the realism, or seem Burton-esque. When Batman gets wiped out in the tumbler, we switch to a view of the cockpit HUD. We can see that the front left wheel of the tumbler serves as the front wheel of the batpod. The tumbler splits (limited CGI here), and two side mounted guns flip up - then he takes off - stunning the crowd that had started to gather around the wreckage. Then BOOM - the tumbler wreckage self destructs leaving no evidence.
I said An opening sequence uses Batman 'copy cats' - not The open scene. The opening scene is, as you stated, an amazingly crafted bank heist.
I don't have a ticket to take a picture of, they don't give tickets to employee screenings.
so how about the scarecrow?
as you said before he is in the film, at least a little bit.
does he have any more than a cameo?
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
Scarecrow is small time here. After a great beginning sequence with him, he doesn't reappear in the film. Batman has more to deal with than some punk spraying hallucinogens - there are serious, deadly forces at play here and a realistic city that honestly feels like it is in great danger. Joker makes Scarecrow look like Mr. Rodgers.
and how is bale's voice in this one...in the first one his voice was extremely raspy but in the trailer his voice seems to have improved somewhat.
I know that his Batman voice bothered some people, and it's back again in this film. I personally like it, because it's like his 'other side', and he's hiding Bruce Wayne.
***SPOILER***SPOILER***
Batman is a seasoned crime fighter and much darker here. At times when dealing with the Joker he straddles the fine line between Hero and Villian, the beauty of Bale's performance is that he knows he has to be a bad guy to fight this kind of evil, because the Joker doesn't play by any rules. He destroys, maimes, and kills - and not because he has a plan, but because he likes it. But Bale also knows he must be the hero, that's what separates him from the villians.
The Joker likes to tell stories to his victims, usually stories dealing with how he got his scars. He always tells a different story, and we are never sure how he got them or when he's telling the truth. One particular scene, while holding a knife to the face of a victim he says, "My daddy was a evil bastard. He would drink, and one night he took a knife to my face, and said - 'Why So Serious?', 'Why So Serious?', 'Let's put a smiiiiile on the face!". I have chills just remembering it. Joker's makeup gets more and more worndown as the film progresses until the end when it looks like open sores on his face. Nolan takes Two-Face to an extreme even i wasn't expecting.
This bit in the trailer when Joker says, "You have fight in you, I like that" - and out of nowhere Batman appears, "Then you're gonna love me" - POW. That's not cut up for the trailer, it happens just like that in a scene that will make you clap and cheer.
Is there any cheesy campy humor in TDK? Or is it all dark and serious?
Joker makes you chuckled a few times, and seeing stunned reactions of cops and pedestrians to the action that is going on can make you laugh here and there. But it's really the darkest, unforgiving Batman movie ever made.
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Alright I'm convinced now, sorry I doubted you. Could you possibly tell me whats going on with the burning money shot?
Alrighty, i'm going to list this as a spoiler just in case - i don't want to ruin anyone's day.
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This is a great scene where we realize just how crazy Joker is. To prove he doesn't care about money at all, and just is totally insane - he burns the huge stack of money he and his cronies just fought to obtain, and there's a great shot of him in front of it. "It's all about sending a message", he says. He doesn't need payment, he just enjoys causing death and destruction.
hey, thanks for your time talking with us!
I just have a question about sal maroni, played by eric roberts. could you tell us how much he was featured in the movie, how was his performance etc. since we really havent seen anything with him so far in trailers or tv spots.
and if you could, for my flesh's sake, is it true that he gets off'd by an angry harey two face??
thanks again!
I believe that Sal Maroni has taken over as kingpin since Carmine Falcone's fall. He is in it quite a bit as one of the multiple crime lords that aligns behind the Joker out of fear.
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It is unclear whether or not he lives or dies, the last we see him he is in the backseat of his car with Two Face. Two Face points the gun at him, and flips his coin. Heads - 'You are lucky', he says. Then he flips the coin a second time, Tails. 'But your driver isn't', BANG the drive goes down and we see the car crash and flip over - and that's it.
So you said that by the end the makeup runs off. Does that mean there's no chance of joker being perma white? Whats with his white hands in the jail scene and nurse scene? Also could you please tell me how he excapes from jail? Thank you.
The make up starts to wear off and get grimey, and his face starts to look like it has open sores. There is one small scene where he's not wearing make-up. From what i noticed, his fingers were white from his make-up rubbing off onto them.
I can't tell you how he escapes from jail, that's just too cool to give away.
Originally Posted by The Smelling Psycho
How creepy are the scenes where The Joker is dressed as a nurse?
The nurse scenes are amazing, and are the opening for the biggest action set piece of the movie at Gotham General. It is also a pivotal scene for Harvey Dent that completes his tragic fall from grace.
QUESTIONS:
1. How is the new Batman suit? Did his head look kinda big with the new neck, or was it just badass?
2. Was Gotham digitally enhanced, like in the first movie? (I know it's hard to tell) I mean, did it look huge in the ariel shots, or was it just Chicago?
THANKS
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The Batman suit is new, complete with gloves that fire off bat-spike things, Wayne needs something lighter for a stealth mission in Hong Kong and then the suit is used throughout the movie. The helmet is based on a motorcycle helmet so that Wayne can now turn his head, "Helps me back out of the driveway", he says.
The city looks more realistic in this Batman, as hard as that is to believe. In the ariel shots i noticed that some of it must be CGI but it's seamless. In the first 30 minutes Nolan perfectly sets up a city in despair, a city that needs a hero.
Originally Posted by haseo_skeith
is their a final fight between the joker and batman and if their is how good is it?
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There are several fights between Joker and Batman, including a final one in a tall building over looking the river where the Joker has multiple river-ferry's filled with innocents held hostage with explosives.
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Now that I've had a few beers..
I don't know if I believe him. Someone said the dent rachel story was from that "leakage" a few months back that got debunked and I didn't think of it at first.. But now it seems like it may be real..
Either way, what he said sounded f'n bad ass and even if it's true it doesn't spoil the movie, the movie's going to be the bomb no matter what we know.. Like anything can ruin 'Ooooh pooor choice of words hahaha'
It's how it's done that truly matters.
I don't know if I believe him. Someone said the dent rachel story was from that "leakage" a few months back that got debunked and I didn't think of it at first.. But now it seems like it may be real..
Either way, what he said sounded f'n bad ass and even if it's true it doesn't spoil the movie, the movie's going to be the bomb no matter what we know.. Like anything can ruin 'Ooooh pooor choice of words hahaha'
It's how it's done that truly matters.
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pt 2.
Originally Posted by Schlosser85
How far into the movie is Harvey scarred, how many scenes with Two-Face are there, and is his origin faithful to the comics?
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While i didn't have my watch handy at the time, i would say Harvey becomes Two Face with about 30 minutes left (of a 2 1/2 hr film), and he is a big part of the ending.
Not asking for specific spoilers but - in which order do the following events take place:
* Joker in jail / interrogation scene
* Crashing Wayne's party
* Funeral service
* Hospital
* Street Showdown
Oh boy, this requires thinking.
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I believe that it went in this order and there is tons of stuff besides these scenes, but since this is what you listed, this is what i'll stick with.
1. Crashing Wayne's Party
2. Funeral Service
3. Street Showdown
4. Joker In Jail
5. Hospital
I've got a question (well 2 I guess).. I want a spoiler-free version.. Basically 1 of 2 answers.. Either "I have no idea. Kind of silly to me" or "You'll see."
Why in the world were-
1.) Anthony Michael Hall (the reporter )
and
2.) Sarah Jayne Dunn ( the hot blonde girl )
Kept as seeeecret roles???
Also, who's more interesting in terms of character development, Bruce with all the new chaos admist or Harvey with his inevitable turn??
Ok, honestly I have no clue what Anthony Michael Hall was doing in it - maybe some serious Batman fans will see the movie and figure out that he's forshadowing for another character, i dont know. He's a reporter on TV throughout the whole film, at one point Joker strings him upside down and makes him deliver a chilling message to the city on camera.
No clue who Sarah Jayne Dunn is - i googled some pictures, you're right she is hot, but i don't recognize her. Wayne rolls to a couple big parties with some serious hotties on his arm, maybe she's one.
Bruce learns a lot in this film, by the end he comes to some realizations that he can't have a normal life, that he needs to be the hero for the city, or take the blame or all that goes wrong if the city needs it. He knows at the end he always has to be straddling the line between evil and the innocent people of Gotham.
Harvey Dent is probably more interesting, because his fall is so tragic. He's the shining light for the city, the hope for the future. Wayne even believes in him, and hopes that he can replace Batman as the city's savior, so that Wayne can retire and be with Rachel. "This city needs a hero with a face", Bruce says. When Dent falls from grace and becomes Two Face, it is a major hit to the whole city. And Wayne realizes he can never have a normal life with Rachel, that he is the only one that can stand against the darkness.
How exactly does Harvey Dent get scarred? Acid? Gasoline?
Thanks.
I wont give away the sequence of events leading up to this, or who is involved.
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I will just say that he gets gasoline splashed in his face, and then his face catches fire.
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1. Most of all, remembering Batman Returns, and the trailers would lead you to believe this, does the villian (The Joker) have more focus than Batman? Because I don't want Batman Returns to repeat itself here.
I don't remember if the villians in Batman Returns get more focus, but I'll take your word for it. It's not that Joker gets more focus or has more screentime, it's just that Heath Ledger steals the show whenever he's on. He's incredible. But I think that Bale still has the most scenes.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
what happens to rachel? thanks
The love triangle between Wayne, Dent, and Rachel is such an important and emotional story arc, I just can't in good conscience give that away. If you want me to tell you in private I will.
Originally Posted by Kid Dropper
boo hisss are you serious? multiple people involved with the flm said acid multiple times, what about the al rossi courtroom examination?
Ok forgive my ignorance of Batman comic book knowledge, but I didn't know exactly who Al Rossi was, so i checked the movie database and he was listed under "Other Characters" and when it showed his picture I didn't directly recognize him from the film. A lot gets crammed into 2 1/2 hrs of film, so i'm sure i didn't catch everything, but I don't remember an Al Rossi playing much of a role.
In regards to your disappointment about the acid, i just have to say, the way Nolan brings it to the screen, there was no other way to go. Dent's transformation is pitch perfect with the rest of the film, and tragic to say the least.
how much film time does the joker have? if you were to give a %
is the joker in the movie 50% of the time? 60% etc etc
I would say Batman and Joker split the screen about 35% each, totaling 70% of the film. Although for much of that 70% Joker and Batman are on screen together. Harvey Dent gets about 30% of it, he is a major player.
oh also to add to my previous question,
how is eckharts two face? is it convincing? i dont mean just visually i mean his voice, his acting. i also heard there is a cool editing trick they did with two face to make him seem like a schizo.
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Two Face isn't what anyone is expecting, he's worse. This isn't your Tommy Lee Jones character. Dent is kind, warm, and truly believes he can change the city for the better. When he becomes Two Face, there is a pivotal scene at Gotham General when he's hospitilized, and he's visited by Nurse Joker. Dent turns his head and screams, and we see the damage for the first time, and hear a scream that we've never heard him make to this point in the film. He is now Two Face, it's incredible.
oined just to ask these 2.
1. Does the Joker have some big, grand plan ala Ra's plan with the monorail/steam machine in the 1st?
"Some men just want to sit and watch the world burn"
That says it best. Joker even mentions in the film that he doesn't have a grand plan, he just 'does anything he wants'. It's almost scarier that way, i literally was on the edge of my seat when he was on screen. You really dont know what he's going to do next - and no one's safe.
Who ever said that he never takes off his makeup didn't see the movie. You are correct, there is a funeral scene where he's in disguise without the makeup. He wears makeup, his skin isn't white - his hands appear white in some scenes, but it's because it's rubbed off his face. The guys is really nasty.
Do we see Gordon's family at all? Is Sarah Essen in it? Do we see Barbara?
What is Gordon's story?
Gordon is in it a lot. Some of the touching scenes in the film involve his family (his sons specifically), including one of the final confrontations.
Any after-credit scenes?
We actually waited to see if there was. I kept leaning over to my buddy and saying, "We're waiting for no reason, it's not Nolan's style to have a teaser - he's too deadly serious of a filmmaker."
It appears i was right, unless something is added in the next few weeks, there was no teaser at the end.
does joker look less terrifying and seem like a different character without he's make up in the COP scene. and are there many scenes of joker in the film.
The funeral scene is literally a one second flash of Joker, you don't even know he's there until it's too late - and then he's gone again.
Joker is in this film A LOT
yo MT dude my buddy went to see a screening a few months ago and he had to write this contract saying he couldn't spread any spoilers and reviews... did you have to sign that thing or was it more of a chill enviroment. HE ACTUALLY GOT SEARCHED
We got searched, but I work for a major studio, so i get that i'm not supposed to talking about it. Which is why i'm refusing to give away major plot details, just trying to answer questions and get people amped for the movie, because it truly is great.
wrd man. Dude one question, I've been really trying to save until I see TDK and my friend has really kept it under hides. HOW THE HELL DID JOKER ESCAPE FROM BATMAN AFTER THE INTEROGATION??? and HOW GRUESOME IS THE BAD COP ORDEAL?? I heard at one point batman beats the living bejeesus out of joker
The jail escape is one of the best parts of the film - seeing Joker cruise away in a cop car with his head hanging out the window laughing was a hypnotic vision. I can't give that up unless it's a private message.
Yea Batman beats him pretty good, it's when he's struggling to find his role - he knows he must be evil to fight evil, but he also knows he has to keep that difference or else he becomes a villian himself. It's a fine line to walk. I didn't think it was gruesome though, Jokers make-up at that point is worn and is starting to look like nasty open sores.
Can you expand upon this.
You claim the fake Batmen are led by Scarecrow, yet we know from what we've heard and read, including the slides and the citizens for Batman, that the fake Batmen are on Batman's side and are trying to help the city, why would they be following Scarecrow?
There is a scene in the slides where one of the Batmen asks Batman (the Avenger) what makes him any different from them, why would he be asked that if they were fighting against him?
If you're going to repost what I write, please keep the spoiler warning intact for those that are skimming this carefully but don't want suprises ruined.
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You're totally right, my slip-up. This is literally the second scene in the film, and I remembered wrong. Scarecrow makes an appearance in the beginning, in full form with mask and all. Batman copy-cats try to foil his plan, somewhat unsuccessfully. Scarecrow laughs wondering where the real Batman is, CRASH - the tumbler comes rolling through the wall - but it's empty. Where is he? From the shadows he appears beating down Scarecrow henchmen/Batman copy-cats alike.
Like you said, the copy-cat says -"What makes us different?"
Batman replies - "I'm not wearing hockey pads," and rolls off in the tumbler.
Oh I see. Since Bats comes 'from the shadows' what is the shot from the trailer with him landing on the white Van from... the same scene later on?
Just curious because Scarecrow is in the van.
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They start to get away, and the B-Man times an amazing leap from a few stories up and lands right on them - busted.
I was wondering about the origin of Dent's coin in Nolan's version?
Does Dent give an explanation why he has the coin?
Dent's grandfather or father gave it to him - i forget what he said. He's always used it, it's Head's on both sides - and when Rachel notices she says - "You make you're own luck."
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When Dent gets hurt the coin also gets scratched on one side - thus we have the double headed coin, with one scratched side like i think it was in the comics.
Originally Posted by D Man 24
ok, yes or no question.... is there any sort of big twist/surprise we'll never see coming? again, please write yes or no, nothing more specific unless absolutely needed.
I guess this depends on how much you've been following along on the internet - i didnt know that much going in, so there were about three times i got fooled with twists. But if you've been digging through the internet the last 2 years, likely you know everything already.
Originally Posted by Schlosser85
Regarding Scarecrow: do we see his face at all?
And does he spray anyone with fear gas?
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Yes and Yes - a Batman copy-cat gets it right in the face.
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Thanks for the reply.
That makes up for the non comic origin of Two Face I guess. Or kind of balances it out. Good to know he got it from his father like one of the comic origins.
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I know that Dent getting burned instead of sprayed with acid in court might irk some fans - i promise that it's pitch-perfect for the world Nolan has created, it couldn't have been done better. Let's face it, Nolan is recreating a lot of this world, magnificently - and this is another example of that - don't fret comic fans.
does said wigged out copy cat see the joker later on? there have been persistent rumors of fear gas joker
No fear gas Joker
What would you say was BAD about the film and do you think it will be as succesful and brilliantnas peope are expecting it to be . Woukd you say there would definantly be a sequel to it or does alot of things get conclude? sorry bwt Double post i've seen pictures of Btamn sitting down with hostages in the scarecrow scene wen won of the COPYCATS has a gun. how does that work if batman is in the shadows.
I can tell you now with certainty that it's brilliant.
I think that it will be as successful if not more, considering all that's wrapped up around the death of Heath Ledger.
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You can be pretty sure there will be a third one, while storylines are wrapped up at the end, Batman definitely has more problems at the end than when he started. Not to mention he's on the run.
I think the shot you're talking about is after the B-Man beats them all down, there is a short scene where they are all tied up; Scarecrow, and the Batman copy-cats, maybe there is still one standing there untied i don't remember.
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I want to address one early scene, just to kiss Nolan's *** a little bit. Batman requires a new, lighter suit for a stealth mission in Hong Kong. The plan is for Batman to base-jump off one Hong Kong skyscraper, smash through the window of another, grab the Chinese crime boss, then hitch a drag chute to a passing C-130 cargo plane for a daring aerial escape - and back to Gotham. It's an awesome sequence that Nolan refused to use computer effects for, and forced the crew to recreate it with stunt men. It really pays off - here's an article on it.
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/...currentPage=all
Does joker actually put up a good fight against Batman or does he get owned every time. and are you sure the STREET Confronation is in the middle that feels wierd as i always had an impression it was the final battle.
About that street battle Does Batman get seriously injured from avoiding Joker with the bike.
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Batman owns him in every fist fight, but sometimes Joker outsmarts him with his wits - he's like a psycho genius. Even at one part Joker laughs at him and says, "All that strength and rage and nothing to use it on."
Street confrontation is gasp enducing, but like i said it's a little more than half way through the movie, before Joker gets arrested.
He doesn't get seriously injured, but he gets taken out for a second. Like i've been preaching, the big theme of this movie is that Joker doesn't play by rules, and for Batman to fight him he has to fight dirty, but even he can't run him down in the street - that's not Batman, that's what separates him from the villain, so he pulls back at the last second and takes a spill.
Originally Posted by tomwaitsjr
"Which is why i'm refusing to give away major plot details,"
What the hell do you consider to be major plot details than? You've given away an enormous part of the movie! I wish I didn't read what you wrote, but I was too curious. . .
Curiousity is a b itch.
But seriously, from the very first post i say that my review is spoiler free, but if you read through the thread there will be spoilers (that i've marked all over the place).
I haven't given away any brilliant moments of action or dialogue, nor have a revealed characters that may or may not die, nor have I really revealed anything at all other than details you guys want answered.
How far into the movie is Harvey scarred, how many scenes with Two-Face are there, and is his origin faithful to the comics?
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While i didn't have my watch handy at the time, i would say Harvey becomes Two Face with about 30 minutes left (of a 2 1/2 hr film), and he is a big part of the ending.
Not asking for specific spoilers but - in which order do the following events take place:
* Joker in jail / interrogation scene
* Crashing Wayne's party
* Funeral service
* Hospital
* Street Showdown
Oh boy, this requires thinking.
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I believe that it went in this order and there is tons of stuff besides these scenes, but since this is what you listed, this is what i'll stick with.
1. Crashing Wayne's Party
2. Funeral Service
3. Street Showdown
4. Joker In Jail
5. Hospital
I've got a question (well 2 I guess).. I want a spoiler-free version.. Basically 1 of 2 answers.. Either "I have no idea. Kind of silly to me" or "You'll see."
Why in the world were-
1.) Anthony Michael Hall (the reporter )
and
2.) Sarah Jayne Dunn ( the hot blonde girl )
Kept as seeeecret roles???
Also, who's more interesting in terms of character development, Bruce with all the new chaos admist or Harvey with his inevitable turn??
Ok, honestly I have no clue what Anthony Michael Hall was doing in it - maybe some serious Batman fans will see the movie and figure out that he's forshadowing for another character, i dont know. He's a reporter on TV throughout the whole film, at one point Joker strings him upside down and makes him deliver a chilling message to the city on camera.
No clue who Sarah Jayne Dunn is - i googled some pictures, you're right she is hot, but i don't recognize her. Wayne rolls to a couple big parties with some serious hotties on his arm, maybe she's one.
Bruce learns a lot in this film, by the end he comes to some realizations that he can't have a normal life, that he needs to be the hero for the city, or take the blame or all that goes wrong if the city needs it. He knows at the end he always has to be straddling the line between evil and the innocent people of Gotham.
Harvey Dent is probably more interesting, because his fall is so tragic. He's the shining light for the city, the hope for the future. Wayne even believes in him, and hopes that he can replace Batman as the city's savior, so that Wayne can retire and be with Rachel. "This city needs a hero with a face", Bruce says. When Dent falls from grace and becomes Two Face, it is a major hit to the whole city. And Wayne realizes he can never have a normal life with Rachel, that he is the only one that can stand against the darkness.
How exactly does Harvey Dent get scarred? Acid? Gasoline?
Thanks.
I wont give away the sequence of events leading up to this, or who is involved.
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I will just say that he gets gasoline splashed in his face, and then his face catches fire.
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1. Most of all, remembering Batman Returns, and the trailers would lead you to believe this, does the villian (The Joker) have more focus than Batman? Because I don't want Batman Returns to repeat itself here.
I don't remember if the villians in Batman Returns get more focus, but I'll take your word for it. It's not that Joker gets more focus or has more screentime, it's just that Heath Ledger steals the show whenever he's on. He's incredible. But I think that Bale still has the most scenes.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
what happens to rachel? thanks
The love triangle between Wayne, Dent, and Rachel is such an important and emotional story arc, I just can't in good conscience give that away. If you want me to tell you in private I will.
Originally Posted by Kid Dropper
boo hisss are you serious? multiple people involved with the flm said acid multiple times, what about the al rossi courtroom examination?
Ok forgive my ignorance of Batman comic book knowledge, but I didn't know exactly who Al Rossi was, so i checked the movie database and he was listed under "Other Characters" and when it showed his picture I didn't directly recognize him from the film. A lot gets crammed into 2 1/2 hrs of film, so i'm sure i didn't catch everything, but I don't remember an Al Rossi playing much of a role.
In regards to your disappointment about the acid, i just have to say, the way Nolan brings it to the screen, there was no other way to go. Dent's transformation is pitch perfect with the rest of the film, and tragic to say the least.
how much film time does the joker have? if you were to give a %
is the joker in the movie 50% of the time? 60% etc etc
I would say Batman and Joker split the screen about 35% each, totaling 70% of the film. Although for much of that 70% Joker and Batman are on screen together. Harvey Dent gets about 30% of it, he is a major player.
oh also to add to my previous question,
how is eckharts two face? is it convincing? i dont mean just visually i mean his voice, his acting. i also heard there is a cool editing trick they did with two face to make him seem like a schizo.
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Two Face isn't what anyone is expecting, he's worse. This isn't your Tommy Lee Jones character. Dent is kind, warm, and truly believes he can change the city for the better. When he becomes Two Face, there is a pivotal scene at Gotham General when he's hospitilized, and he's visited by Nurse Joker. Dent turns his head and screams, and we see the damage for the first time, and hear a scream that we've never heard him make to this point in the film. He is now Two Face, it's incredible.
oined just to ask these 2.
1. Does the Joker have some big, grand plan ala Ra's plan with the monorail/steam machine in the 1st?
"Some men just want to sit and watch the world burn"
That says it best. Joker even mentions in the film that he doesn't have a grand plan, he just 'does anything he wants'. It's almost scarier that way, i literally was on the edge of my seat when he was on screen. You really dont know what he's going to do next - and no one's safe.
Who ever said that he never takes off his makeup didn't see the movie. You are correct, there is a funeral scene where he's in disguise without the makeup. He wears makeup, his skin isn't white - his hands appear white in some scenes, but it's because it's rubbed off his face. The guys is really nasty.
Do we see Gordon's family at all? Is Sarah Essen in it? Do we see Barbara?
What is Gordon's story?
Gordon is in it a lot. Some of the touching scenes in the film involve his family (his sons specifically), including one of the final confrontations.
Any after-credit scenes?
We actually waited to see if there was. I kept leaning over to my buddy and saying, "We're waiting for no reason, it's not Nolan's style to have a teaser - he's too deadly serious of a filmmaker."
It appears i was right, unless something is added in the next few weeks, there was no teaser at the end.
does joker look less terrifying and seem like a different character without he's make up in the COP scene. and are there many scenes of joker in the film.
The funeral scene is literally a one second flash of Joker, you don't even know he's there until it's too late - and then he's gone again.
Joker is in this film A LOT
yo MT dude my buddy went to see a screening a few months ago and he had to write this contract saying he couldn't spread any spoilers and reviews... did you have to sign that thing or was it more of a chill enviroment. HE ACTUALLY GOT SEARCHED
We got searched, but I work for a major studio, so i get that i'm not supposed to talking about it. Which is why i'm refusing to give away major plot details, just trying to answer questions and get people amped for the movie, because it truly is great.
wrd man. Dude one question, I've been really trying to save until I see TDK and my friend has really kept it under hides. HOW THE HELL DID JOKER ESCAPE FROM BATMAN AFTER THE INTEROGATION??? and HOW GRUESOME IS THE BAD COP ORDEAL?? I heard at one point batman beats the living bejeesus out of joker
The jail escape is one of the best parts of the film - seeing Joker cruise away in a cop car with his head hanging out the window laughing was a hypnotic vision. I can't give that up unless it's a private message.
Yea Batman beats him pretty good, it's when he's struggling to find his role - he knows he must be evil to fight evil, but he also knows he has to keep that difference or else he becomes a villian himself. It's a fine line to walk. I didn't think it was gruesome though, Jokers make-up at that point is worn and is starting to look like nasty open sores.
Can you expand upon this.
You claim the fake Batmen are led by Scarecrow, yet we know from what we've heard and read, including the slides and the citizens for Batman, that the fake Batmen are on Batman's side and are trying to help the city, why would they be following Scarecrow?
There is a scene in the slides where one of the Batmen asks Batman (the Avenger) what makes him any different from them, why would he be asked that if they were fighting against him?
If you're going to repost what I write, please keep the spoiler warning intact for those that are skimming this carefully but don't want suprises ruined.
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You're totally right, my slip-up. This is literally the second scene in the film, and I remembered wrong. Scarecrow makes an appearance in the beginning, in full form with mask and all. Batman copy-cats try to foil his plan, somewhat unsuccessfully. Scarecrow laughs wondering where the real Batman is, CRASH - the tumbler comes rolling through the wall - but it's empty. Where is he? From the shadows he appears beating down Scarecrow henchmen/Batman copy-cats alike.
Like you said, the copy-cat says -"What makes us different?"
Batman replies - "I'm not wearing hockey pads," and rolls off in the tumbler.
Oh I see. Since Bats comes 'from the shadows' what is the shot from the trailer with him landing on the white Van from... the same scene later on?
Just curious because Scarecrow is in the van.
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They start to get away, and the B-Man times an amazing leap from a few stories up and lands right on them - busted.
I was wondering about the origin of Dent's coin in Nolan's version?
Does Dent give an explanation why he has the coin?
Dent's grandfather or father gave it to him - i forget what he said. He's always used it, it's Head's on both sides - and when Rachel notices she says - "You make you're own luck."
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When Dent gets hurt the coin also gets scratched on one side - thus we have the double headed coin, with one scratched side like i think it was in the comics.
Originally Posted by D Man 24
ok, yes or no question.... is there any sort of big twist/surprise we'll never see coming? again, please write yes or no, nothing more specific unless absolutely needed.
I guess this depends on how much you've been following along on the internet - i didnt know that much going in, so there were about three times i got fooled with twists. But if you've been digging through the internet the last 2 years, likely you know everything already.
Originally Posted by Schlosser85
Regarding Scarecrow: do we see his face at all?
And does he spray anyone with fear gas?
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Yes and Yes - a Batman copy-cat gets it right in the face.
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Thanks for the reply.
That makes up for the non comic origin of Two Face I guess. Or kind of balances it out. Good to know he got it from his father like one of the comic origins.
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I know that Dent getting burned instead of sprayed with acid in court might irk some fans - i promise that it's pitch-perfect for the world Nolan has created, it couldn't have been done better. Let's face it, Nolan is recreating a lot of this world, magnificently - and this is another example of that - don't fret comic fans.
does said wigged out copy cat see the joker later on? there have been persistent rumors of fear gas joker
No fear gas Joker
What would you say was BAD about the film and do you think it will be as succesful and brilliantnas peope are expecting it to be . Woukd you say there would definantly be a sequel to it or does alot of things get conclude? sorry bwt Double post i've seen pictures of Btamn sitting down with hostages in the scarecrow scene wen won of the COPYCATS has a gun. how does that work if batman is in the shadows.
I can tell you now with certainty that it's brilliant.
I think that it will be as successful if not more, considering all that's wrapped up around the death of Heath Ledger.
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You can be pretty sure there will be a third one, while storylines are wrapped up at the end, Batman definitely has more problems at the end than when he started. Not to mention he's on the run.
I think the shot you're talking about is after the B-Man beats them all down, there is a short scene where they are all tied up; Scarecrow, and the Batman copy-cats, maybe there is still one standing there untied i don't remember.
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I want to address one early scene, just to kiss Nolan's *** a little bit. Batman requires a new, lighter suit for a stealth mission in Hong Kong. The plan is for Batman to base-jump off one Hong Kong skyscraper, smash through the window of another, grab the Chinese crime boss, then hitch a drag chute to a passing C-130 cargo plane for a daring aerial escape - and back to Gotham. It's an awesome sequence that Nolan refused to use computer effects for, and forced the crew to recreate it with stunt men. It really pays off - here's an article on it.
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/...currentPage=all
Does joker actually put up a good fight against Batman or does he get owned every time. and are you sure the STREET Confronation is in the middle that feels wierd as i always had an impression it was the final battle.
About that street battle Does Batman get seriously injured from avoiding Joker with the bike.
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Batman owns him in every fist fight, but sometimes Joker outsmarts him with his wits - he's like a psycho genius. Even at one part Joker laughs at him and says, "All that strength and rage and nothing to use it on."
Street confrontation is gasp enducing, but like i said it's a little more than half way through the movie, before Joker gets arrested.
He doesn't get seriously injured, but he gets taken out for a second. Like i've been preaching, the big theme of this movie is that Joker doesn't play by rules, and for Batman to fight him he has to fight dirty, but even he can't run him down in the street - that's not Batman, that's what separates him from the villain, so he pulls back at the last second and takes a spill.
Originally Posted by tomwaitsjr
"Which is why i'm refusing to give away major plot details,"
What the hell do you consider to be major plot details than? You've given away an enormous part of the movie! I wish I didn't read what you wrote, but I was too curious. . .
Curiousity is a b itch.
But seriously, from the very first post i say that my review is spoiler free, but if you read through the thread there will be spoilers (that i've marked all over the place).
I haven't given away any brilliant moments of action or dialogue, nor have a revealed characters that may or may not die, nor have I really revealed anything at all other than details you guys want answered.
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and 'evening commissioner' seems like the audio is similar to the other takes in the cell. for some reason I have a feeling hes referring to Gordon, in which case Loeb will have already been taken out.
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