Action-Adventure TENET

[The Shape]

Good investment for 2021!

Yes, but I'm still going to see EVERY movie I possibly can see in theaters, damnit! As should you!

 

[Prison Mike]

Yes, but I'm still going to see EVERY movie I possibly can see in theaters, damnit! As should you!

I mean...that all depends on where we are with the virus.

 

[Marvolo]

Also, why is one of the soldiers trying to stop him saying "Walk away. You don't have to kill these people."

I can respect trying to build a sense of authentic realism, but I just didn't get that here. The immersion was bad. For one thing, you have The Protagonist and the embedded agent hiding in the crowd of the civilians. They are dodging gunfire. All that gunfire is somehow just bouncing off the seats and not hitting any of the civilians. It's very jarring and weird. How are no civilians getting hit by all that stray gunfire? How is it just managing to miss them and just hitting the empty seats? IMHO that doesn't feel realistic.

Spoiler

And yes, I'm aware Neil was likely the guy who helps Protagonist in this scene before Protagonist had met him at this point.

Nolans always seemed averse and unfamiliar with guns and gun violence in general. Bordering on ignorant and neglectful. Its one of my biggest pet peeves about his films.

 

[Stringer]

Also, why is one of the soldiers trying to stop him saying "Walk away. You don't have to kill these people."

I can respect trying to build a sense of authentic realism, but I just didn't get that here. The immersion was bad. For one thing, you have The Protagonist and the embedded agent hiding in the crowd of the civilians. They are dodging gunfire. All that gunfire is somehow just bouncing off the seats and not hitting any of the civilians. It's very jarring and weird. How are no civilians getting hit by all that stray gunfire? How is it just managing to miss them and just hitting the empty seats? IMHO that doesn't feel realistic.

Spoiler

And yes, I'm aware Neil was likely the guy who helps Protagonist in this scene before Protagonist had met him at this point.

I hear you, but it's a PG-13 movie, and Nolan has never been one to go for shots that may be considered gratuitous since we can assume some of the innocents did take a few hits during that scene. There's cuts when the conductor gets popped and some of the violence against orchestra as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

I hear you, but it's a PG-13 movie, and Nolan has never been one to go for shots that may be considered gratuitous since we can assume some of the innocents did take a few hits during that scene. There's cuts when the conductor gets popped and some of the violence against orchestra as well.

The thing is I just didn't get much of a sense from watching that. So if Nolan's end to achieve some sort of natural, "realistic" sound quality here, it didn't really work for me.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nolans always seemed averse and unfamiliar with guns and gun violence in general. Bordering on ignorant and neglectful. Its one of my biggest pet peeves about his films.

He's not very good about shooting gunfire and shootouts. That much is clear. It goes all the way back to the Batman films.

 

[Persona]

I would never try to talk someone out of watching a movie for themselves, and Tenet still has some unique merits even if I think it is one of Nolan's worst films. Still worth a watch for some of its technical ambition.

 

[TheVileOne]

I would never try to talk someone out of watching a movie for themselves, and Tenet still has some unique merits even if I think it is one of Nolan's worst films. Still worth a watch for some of its technical ambition.

I agree, even though I didn't like most of it. Just for the sheer ambition of some of these setups, most of which were all done in camera.

 

[childeroland]

Also, why is one of the soldiers trying to stop him saying "Walk away. You don't have to kill these people."
[/spoiler]

It was the Protagonist saying the soldier didn't have to kill the people. One of Sator's people, I think. The bad guy was going to blow up the whole opera house to cover his crew's tracks.

 

[TheVileOne]

It was the Protagonist saying the soldier didn't have to kill the people. One of Sator's people, I think. The bad guy was going to blow up the whole opera house to cover his crew's tracks.

OK I see that now. In my defense, the sound editing and mix are so bad, I can hardly tell that's Protagonist's dialogue.

 

[Marvolo]

Warning. Nine seconds have been cut from the film by the BBFC for the UK home video release. Its bits of a scene show a female character being beaten. The home video releases outside of the UK are uncut like Nolan intended. All of WB's bluray and UHD releases are region free so any Hype members that wants to own the proper version of the film can import from another country and the film will play on your UK bluray player.

 

[BatLobster]

Nolan pushing back on the idea that he could've personally controlled the release date via a new interview with The Washington Post:

Q: When "Tenet" was originally released, you got some criticism for the decision to do at least a partial opening in theaters. Looking back, do you wish that could have gone differently?

A: The studio made the decision to release the film in the summer in parts of the world where it was safe to open the film because of the response to the pandemic in those individual countries. And I think they made a good decision. . . . A lot of people got to see the film. A lot of people went back to work and all the rest and were able to safely do that. This country is a different story. But Hollywood filmmaking is a global business. It’s not an American-only business. And I think it’s very important for people to look beyond where they are sitting in the world and look at what’s going on in the rest of the world as well, and be mindful of that.


Q: There were people who seemed to think you could have stopped the studio from the theatrical release at that moment.

A: Of course not. Look at what’s just happened. They’ve just unilaterally shifted their entire distribution pattern on their slate without talking to even the financing partners.

Q: It's probably frustrating. The first time around, you got sucked into this whole idea of "Tenet" being some kind of test case for the covid-era in cinema. Now this HBO Max deal arrives as you head out to promote the DVD.

A: Yes, it certainly would be nice to get back to being able to just put a film out there and promote the film in a more simple way, but the world’s been very complicated for 2020, and there are people dealing with the most appalling circumstances. I honestly just feel very, very lucky to have been working to get to a point where we can now have people in Los Angeles, New York, other places in North America see the film.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ente...74ca82-3e07-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html

 

[Drizzle]

This isn't available to rent on Prime or my cable provider yet (Verizon Fios). What's the deal?

 

[Arachnerd]

Nolan pushing back on the idea that he could've personally controlled the release date via a new interview with The Washington Post:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/ente...74ca82-3e07-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html

Pretty sure this still won't dissuade some folks from s***ing on Nolan still.

 

[Mysteryman]

In an interview with CNet, Nolan says that the opening title sequence for Memento where time seems to flow backward and the bullet goes back into the gun, that was a sort of easter egg for Tenet.
It appears that Nolan was thinking about this film even as he was working on Memento all those years ago.

 

[Prison Mike]

This isn't available to rent on Prime or my cable provider yet (Verizon Fios). What's the deal?

It’s only available for purchase right now. Apple has it available to rent starting January 5th

 

[metaphysician]

So, having just watched the prologue they released. . . am I weird in that I found it perfectly understandable?

Spoiler: Spoilered, Just In Case Anyone Cares

You had a concert hall in Russia, or a Russian-orbit country, taken over by terrorists. You have a bunch of American operatives pretending to be part of the anti-terrorist force. They find a particular man, revealing that the whole thing is a false flag operation, and the Russians are looking to eliminate this spy. The agents get this spy out, recover some unidentified macguffin he found, and then the lead agent tries to keep the concert hall from getting blown up. He is saved by something weird happening, then just as they are about to exfiltrated, the agents are betrayed and he is shot and "killed".

 

[Drizzle]

It’s only available for purchase right now. Apple has it available to rent starting January 5th

I guess they want to make as much from disc sales as possible. I suppose I could rent it from Redbox though.

 

[Asr]

I guess they want to make as much from disc sales as possible. I suppose I could rent it from Redbox though.

That's actually what I'm doing (renting from Redbox), so I can watch Tenet again with subtitles. Not going to want to buy the movie because I didn't like it enough to want to own it.

 

[BatLobster]

So, having just watched the prologue they released. . . am I weird in that I found it perfectly understandable?

Spoiler: Spoilered, Just In Case Anyone Cares

You had a concert hall in Russia, or a Russian-orbit country, taken over by terrorists. You have a bunch of American operatives pretending to be part of the anti-terrorist force. They find a particular man, revealing that the whole thing is a false flag operation, and the Russians are looking to eliminate this spy. The agents get this spy out, recover some unidentified macguffin he found, and then the lead agent tries to keep the concert hall from getting blown up. He is saved by something weird happening, then just as they are about to exfiltrated, the agents are betrayed and he is shot and "killed".

That's precisely all you need to know from that scene. You're not weird, just someone who knows how to watch movies.

 

[-Arya-]

Finally saw this.

There is so much goddamn exposition in this movie delivered by flat, one dimensional characters to the point where long stretches of it are not enjoyable to watch. Though I will say this is Nolan’s most interesting film since Inception. I didn’t understand everything that happened during the last hour but I was engaged with the “Inverted Time” dynamics. I just wish these ideas could’ve been translated to a more contemplative Sci-fi film in which the script actually cared about character development (something like Arrival). Nolan honestly needs to scale things down and go back to making movies like Memento and The Prestige.

6/10

 

[Filmfan93]

Warning. Nine seconds have been cut from the film by the BBFC for the UK home video release. Its bits of a scene show a female character being beaten. The home video releases outside of the UK are uncut like Nolan intended. All of WB's bluray and UHD releases are region free so any Hype members that wants to own the proper version of the film can import from another country and the film will play on your UK bluray player.

Where can you buy the uncut version from if you live in the UK?

I now own 3 copies of the film - Steelbook, First Edition and normal 4K. All from UK retailers. Not sure if it's worth getting a 4th one just for 9 seconds of footage that doesn't really change anything in the film.

And yes, I watched the film both in my home country (Bulgaria) and here in the UK and saw both versions. There is barely a difference. It's just a scene that has more violence. If anything, makes the film a bit more uncomfortable to watch and also breaks the pace of the highway chase a little.

It's not THAT important to note as if you were missing the EE of LOTR or DC of Kingdom of Heaven. It's the same Nolan vision, with or without it. It's already implied what Sator does in the cut version.

 

[flickchick85]

Watching the BTS featurettes now, and seeing Dimple Kapadia name-check The Prestige as her Nolan touchstone when geeking out over getting to meet him warmed my cold heart.

 

[Marvolo]

Where can you buy the uncut version from if you live in the UK?

I now own 3 copies of the film - Steelbook, First Edition and normal 4K. All from UK retailers. Not sure if it's worth getting a 4th one just for 9 seconds of footage that doesn't really change anything in the film.

And yes, I watched the film both in my home country (Bulgaria) and here in the UK and saw both versions. There is barely a difference. It's just a scene that has more violence. If anything, makes the film a bit more uncomfortable to watch and also breaks the pace of the highway chase a little.

It's not THAT important to note as if you were missing the EE of LOTR or DC of Kingdom of Heaven. It's the same Nolan vision, with or without it. It's already implied what Sator does in the cut version.

The bluray German release is €16.99 on Amazon.de.

 

[Brother Jack]

Watching the BTS featurettes now, and seeing Dimple Kapadia name-check The Prestige as her Nolan touchstone when geeking out over getting to meet him warmed my cold heart.

A fellow woman of culture, I see.