Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So I was honestly expecting this movie to be complete crap, but I was pleasantly surprised to actually really enjoy it. I think my only real negatives were a miscast John Connor and that Matt Smith was cast in a waste of a role.

I had the exact same experience when I went to see it, was expecting crap but enjoyed it. I will say I thought Clarke was really good as the good John Connor, it was only when he turned bad that he didn't convince me.

 

[DA_Champion]

Clarke as Connor in the first thirty minutes was putrid. A pure primadonna. No leadership skills other than screaming.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Clarke as Connor in the first thirty minutes was putrid. A pure primadonna. No leadership skills other than screaming.

I will admit I liked him when he good, loved him interacting with Kyle and saving him as a kid from a Terminator. It was only when he turned bad that I didn't like the performance.

 

[DKDetective]

Yet in T2 the flesh didn't decay and it was stated it would heal, in the extended cut they even cut his head open and there was no visible wound the next day. It's also stated in T2 the T-800 has detailed files on human anatomy. Pops had 33 years to crow back the skin on his arm and had extensive knowledge of futuristic technology, I don't find it such a stretch he could grow back an arm in that time.

As I said, the movie has much bigger issues than that.

Re-read my post about why the healing of the wounds in T2 is different from the decaying injured flesh in T1. Your reading comprehension and analytical skills obviously need some work. The injuries in T2 are comparable to things that heal on real world human beings (ie. gun shot wounds, brain surgery, etc.), once they are appropriately treated. Lost eyes and arms are not things that grow back, even after modern medical treatment, which is why those injuries did not heal in T1 and T2 and had to be covered with sunglasses and a glove respectively.

Also, the T-800's new bizarre capabilities like building a time machine by itself don't really justify its ability to grow back its arm. That capability in itself is another example of the same problem - ie. completely abandoning the rules established in T1 and T2 for the Terminator universe. There is a reason why the story logic of this film was almost universally panned by critics and it is bombing at the box office. This particular issue may not be one of the big ones, but it is a symptom of the larger issues.

 

[Kanon]

Also, the T-800's new bizarre capabilities like building a time machine by itself don't really justify its ability to grow back its arm. That capability in itself is another example of the same problem - ie. completely abandoning the rules established in T1 and T2 for the Terminator universe. There is a reason why the story logic of this film was almost universally panned by critics and it is bombing at the box office. This particular issue may not be one of the big ones, but it is a symptom of the larger issues.

It's not only that ignores previous rules, the new ones it makes undermines both this movie and previous installments. Making a time machine something that can be built with (mostly) 20th century components and patience, and the Terminators with no limits to infiltrate (T-800 super healing, more T-1000s that aren't prototypes and can function indefinitely) raises questions that can't be answered while keeping T1 and T2 logical. Why rushing to kill Sarah or John if the Terminators have pretty much until Judgement Day to do it? As long as they keep track of the Connors lurking in the shadows, they can wait until the right moment to strike. The original Terminator could build a time machine (except for the chip? that somehow can't replicate or keep a spare one?) to go back 1 year after Sarah Connor has been acquired (remember that it was a plot point that there was no records to properly locate Sarah Connor other than in LA 1985, since they were lost in judgement day? how did the new T-1000 found her 9 years further in the past?)

 

[Majik1387]

I had the exact same experience when I went to see it, was expecting crap but enjoyed it. I will say I thought Clarke was really good as the good John Connor, it was only when he turned bad that he didn't convince me.

Clarke as Connor in the first thirty minutes was putrid. A pure primadonna. No leadership skills other than screaming.

I'm with DA Champion here. Nothing about John Connor seemed heroic or leadership worthy in the opening. The child Reese scene was also really cheesy, and you know it's bad when after it finished all you care about is what happened to the dog.

 

[doobie]

I'm throwing my vote in for Clarke as well, I thought he was a really good JC and the best adult JC.

 

[Majik1387]

Well to be fair, he didn't have much if any competition other than sleepwalking Bale.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Re-read my post about why the healing of the wounds in T2 is different from the decaying injured flesh in T1. Your reading comprehension and analytical skills obviously need some work. The injuries in T2 are comparable to things that heal on real world human beings (ie. gun shot wounds, brain surgery, etc.), once they are appropriately treated. Lost eyes and arms are not things that grow back, even after modern medical treatment, which is why those injuries did not heal in T1 and T2 and had to be covered with sunglasses and a glove respectively.

Also, the T-800's new bizarre capabilities like building a time machine by itself don't really justify its ability to grow back its arm. That capability in itself is another example of the same problem - ie. completely abandoning the rules established in T1 and T2 for the Terminator universe. There is a reason why the story logic of this film was almost universally panned by critics and it is bombing at the box office. This particular issue may not be one of the big ones, but it is a symptom of the larger issues.

Thing is, if those things could grow back, they wouldn't grow back quickly unless he's the Wolverine. Hence, the need for the sunglasses and glove.

But yeah, those aren't things that grow back. If you lose an eye, you don't grow another eye.

Also, if he can automatically heal after they open up his head to flip the switch on the chip, that would suggest that he wouldn't have needed the bandages for his gunshot wounds. So if you put those two facts together and you see that he didn't have stitches on his head, it's a continuity error.

 

[Slick]

I enjoyed TS more

 

[Majik1387]

You poor guy.

 

[Fallen Angel]

So what do Paramount do? Churn out another sequel ASAP before James Cameron get's the right's back in 2019?

 

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think they'll be willing to do a sequel unless they feel it can outperform this film. The original sequel plans will probably have to be adjusted so it could have some lure on the level of Genesys (which had the return of Arnie and the promise of a clean slate to hype it). I think the time and effort it would take to come up with a new and exciting angle (especially considering how long it took to make Genesys) will make it unlikely we'll get a sequel before the rights expire.

 

[batfreakforever]

After getting back for seeing terminator genesis I can truly say that I loved this movie.
Reviews to this film got it completely wrong.
The movie hit all the right notes.
No it doesn't crap on the first two films and doesn't negate their existence because there are call backs and plot elements from those films that give it a richer experience and understanding.
The film makers stayed true to the mythology and pushed the story forward.
This to me is the fifth entry in the series because you can watch the first four films then watch this one and events make sense.
I've never had a problem understanding time travel films.
I don't get hung up on little details like the casting of the new reese or john.
The fx were amazing in this and loved the call backs/references to the previous films.
Exited to see were the sequels take the story.
I believe that the next two films will wrap up the story once and for all and in the end skynet will be completely destroyed and wont/cant return and the final film will be an all out battle to finish the story completely with conner and family around in the end. Happy at last.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Re-read my post about why the healing of the wounds in T2 is different from the decaying injured flesh in T1. Your reading comprehension and analytical skills obviously need some work. The injuries in T2 are comparable to things that heal on real world human beings (ie. gun shot wounds, brain surgery, etc.), once they are appropriately treated. Lost eyes and arms are not things that grow back, even after modern medical treatment, which is why those injuries did not heal in T1 and T2 and had to be covered with sunglasses and a glove respectively.

Also, the T-800's new bizarre capabilities like building a time machine by itself don't really justify its ability to grow back its arm. That capability in itself is another example of the same problem - ie. completely abandoning the rules established in T1 and T2 for the Terminator universe. There is a reason why the story logic of this film was almost universally panned by critics and it is bombing at the box office. This particular issue may not be one of the big ones, but it is a symptom of the larger issues.

My reading skills are fine, the machines in T1 and T2 had no time to really heal, Pops had 33 years, read that again, 33 years to grow back his arm, as well as detailed files on human anatomy and the capability and knowledge to build futuristic tech.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's not only that ignores previous rules, the new ones it makes undermines both this movie and previous installments. Making a time machine something that can be built with (mostly) 20th century components and patience, and the Terminators with no limits to infiltrate (T-800 super healing, more T-1000s that aren't prototypes and can function indefinitely) raises questions that can't be answered while keeping T1 and T2 logical. Why rushing to kill Sarah or John if the Terminators have pretty much until Judgement Day to do it? As long as they keep track of the Connors lurking in the shadows, they can wait until the right moment to strike. The original Terminator could build a time machine (except for the chip? that somehow can't replicate or keep a spare one?) to go back 1 year after Sarah Connor has been acquired (remember that it was a plot point that there was no records to properly locate Sarah Connor other than in LA 1985, since they were lost in judgement day? how did the new T-1000 found her 9 years further in the past?)

The previous Terminators were not given the knowledge to build time machines, Pops was, that's the difference and why it doesn't undermine what came previously.

 

[Jay Beezy]

My reading skills are fine, the machines in T1 and T2 had no time to really heal, Pops had 33 years, read that again, 33 years to grow back his arm, as well as detailed files on human anatomy and the capability and knowledge to build futuristic tech.

But you're also saying his head healed immediately after they cut it open to reset his chip in the T2 DC. If that were true, he wouldn't have needed the bandages on his gunshot wounds.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But you're also saying his head healed immediately after they cut it open to reset his chip in the T2 DC. If that were true, he wouldn't have needed the bandages on his gunshot wounds.

I don't think he did need the bandages, but without them he would been bleeding through his t shirt like the Terminator was in T1. I think his gunshot wounds would have healed anyway like his head did.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I don't think he did need the bandages, but without them he would been bleeding through his t shirt like the Terminator was in T1. I think his gunshot wounds would have healed anyway like his head did.

If he was worried about bleeding through his shirt while his wounds supposedly healed quickly, he could have kept his shirt off until they healed in their entirety.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If he was worried about bleeding through his shirt while his wounds supposedly healed quickly, he could have kept his shirt off until they healed in their entirety.

Why draw attention to themselves that way though? A shirtless big guy walking around would draw attention.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Why draw attention to themselves that way though? A shirtless big guy walking around would draw attention.

If they healed quickly like you say his head did, considering they spend that night at the abandoned gas station, him being shirtless wouldn't be a problem. He could put on the shirt in the morning after they already healed.

And once again, in T1, his flesh was rotting when he had the exposed eye. It wasn't healing or regrowing.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If they healed quickly like you say his head did, considering they spend that night at the abandoned gas station, him being shirtless wouldn't be a problem. He could put on the shirt in the morning after they already healed.

And once again, in T1, his flesh was rotting when he had the exposed eye. It wasn't healing or regrowing.

It doesn't heal instantly though, it still needs time as the movies have shown.

 

[AlmightyWho]

I was not anticipating this film at all, but I went in with an open mind because I strive to be fair to every film I see.

A good friend of mine, whose taste I trust, said they were shocked at how much they liked it. So I went in actually a little excited.

And boy, did I regret it. Everything bad sais about this film has been on the money imo.

I was actually on board for the first act. I liked the future war stuff and I like the stuff that took place in 1984. Ironically, I found the film the most creative when it was recreating the first movie. Then they go to the future and the damn thing went immediately off the rails.

The script felt lazy and half-assed in the extreme. They just bounce from one plot-point to the next without any proper suspense, tension or build-up. If kind of felt like the filmmakers were making it up as they went along.

The action was dull and uninspired and by god was Jai Courtney a joke. Such a bland, stiff performance. Emilia Clarke was ok, but it felt like Sarah on the surface only without an ounce of nuance. I blame the script more than her for this.

Arnie was the best part.

Jason Clarke was a good John Connor, but he wasn't given enough to do. Not one plot point hit like they wanted it to. It never felt exciting or dramatic or emotional.

And yea, it wipes out the first two films entirely, which pissed me the ever-loving hell off.

I'll stick with T3-which looks like a masterpiece compare to TG. It may be clone of the first two films...but it at least respected the source materal, had strong performances, knew how to create awesome action and had the balls to end in a very dramatic way.

4/10

 

[Jay Beezy]

It doesn't heal instantly though, it still needs time as the movies have shown.

And if it goes untreated, it rots as T1 demonstrated.

And you constantly bring up the T2 DC chip switch scene. You've insinuated it healed instantly. And now you're saying it needs time.

 

[Loki882]

Doesn't Arnie wear a glove and coat for the rest of the film after cutting his arm-flesh off? So it doesn't seem like that healed up. And we don't know exactly how much time past between the DC (which doesn't really count since it wasn't in the actual movie) and them ending up in Mexico. It might have been days, or maybe weeks. Plus we don't get a good look at the back of his head. They might have just stitched him up and his hair is hiding it.