Thanos or Galactus? Who's the ultimate villain?

[Captain Marvel]

That picture's from a What If? And in that What If Doom was apparently using gimpy Infinity Gems because they ran out of power after fighting the Celestials for a couple centuries. Say what?!? Thanos whupped every cosmic entity in existence in a matter of minutes and imprisoned them while Doom spends centuries fighting them? And the Infinity Gems ran out of power? How can they run out of power? Their power is supposed to be INFINITE, hence the name "Infinity Gems".

Thanos isn't even on the level of Galactus.

He's like Doom in the way he sometimes acquires power greater than his own. He always receives help from Death or cosmic items he steals.

No one's on the level of Galactus, especially not Doom, either. Thanos, however, is on his own vastly more powerful than Doom. And unlike Doom, his plans to achieve omnipotence usually succeed, as he's done it more than once.

He's not even as powerful as The Hulk without help. His own son ripped his heart out.

Thanos has beaten beings far more powerful than the Hulk on his own. And his own son? Yeah, clearly you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, because Thanos has no children, period. The only being to have ever done that to him was Drax the Destroyer, who was created to kill Thanos. Drax is the one and only being in the universe who can kill him, and more often than not he fails, and only succeeded that one time because Thanos was distracted while trying to save the universe.

So "cosmic" is kinda relative.

Thanos is superior to Doom in every way. He's far more powerful without the aid of an armored suit, he has far superior technology at his disposal, and when it comes to what Thanos considers to be his greatest tool, he's far more intelligent than Doom as well.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I knew someone would bring up the What If? It was just a picture illustrating Doom's awesomeness. But check out the reflection in his gauntlet.

No gems needed to defeat the guy who spanks Eternity for breakfast.

Thanos' plans to achieve omnipotence works? What the hell are you talking about? Work implies that he keeps it. He hasn't.

And I'm pretty sure that if Death took away the power she "granted" Thanos, he'd be about as powerful as Starfox.

And don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, Draxx IS his son. Period. Built or not. I suppose Martha Kent isn't Superman's mom in your eyes. Of course you couldn't help but slip a personal jab in at me. Nice.

Thanos is a poor copy of Darkseid. That makes him inferior to Doom. Oh and last I checked, ALMOST EVERYONE considers Doom to be the greatest villain in the Marvel Universe.

So dial down the condescension and get on board the Doom Train.

 

[Harlekin]

Doom's schemes don't stick either. However you want to put it, Doom has ruled the world (and gave it up), Thanos has ruled the universe, has even become it (and gave it up). There's a scale difference.

 

[The Morningstar]

Thanos, even without the power ups from Death, still treats Silver Surfer like an ant. Thanos, unprepped, without tech, is just below Skyfather level.

 

[terry78]

Point blank, as much hoodoo as he's placed on himself and others in the past, Doom is still a human.

 

[Franklin Richards]

...and being Human is why he's greater than Thanos. A "human" defeated Galactus. A "human" defeated the Beyonder.


His "scale" is just fine.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea but what story was better? Secret Wars or Infinity Gauntlet?

Plus Thanos knocked a fully fed Galactus on his ass, which made him lose his awesome hat along the way

 

[Franklin Richards]

Secret Wars by far. The Fantastic Four were dead in Infinity Gauntlet.

 

[The Morningstar]

lol Secret Wars was garbage. Was more of a marketing campaign for action figures.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I knew someone would bring up the What If? It was just a picture illustrating Doom's awesomeness. But check out the reflection in his gauntlet.

No gems needed to defeat the guy who spanks Eternity for breakfast.

Nope, just the power of Galactus and a lucky break. And the Beyonder is below the power level that Thanos achieved with the Infinity Gems. He also held on to that power for far longer and only lost it because, subconciously, he felt he didn't deserve it.

Thanos' plans to achieve omnipotence works? What the hell are you talking about? Work implies that he keeps it. He hasn't.

Reading comprehension is your friend. His plan is to achieve omnipotent power. He has achieved that goal several times.

And I'm pretty sure that if Death took away the power she "granted" Thanos, he'd be about as powerful as Starfox.

He was a threat to the Avengers and a cosmic level power even before his second resurrection.

And don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, Draxx IS his son. Period. Built or not. I suppose Martha Kent isn't Superman's mom in your eyes. Of course you couldn't help but slip a personal jab in at me. Nice.

No, you don't know what you're talking about.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Arthur_Douglas_(Earth-616)

Drax was formerly a human named Arthur Douglas (and father of Moondragon) who after his death was recreated as Drax the Destroyer, a weapon to be used against Thanos. In no way, shape, or form is he any kind of a relation to Thanos, biological, adopted, whatever.

Thanos is a poor copy of Darkseid. That makes him inferior to Doom. Oh and last I checked, ALMOST EVERYONE considers Doom to be the greatest villain in the Marvel Universe.

Your imaginary friends don't count as "everyone". But if you think so then, by all means, start a poll and let's see what real people think.

So dial down the condescension and get on board the Doom Train.

I'll get on board when Doom achieves half the feats which Thanos has achieved, which he never will.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It was a blessed garbage
If it's garbage and you want to tell people you feel that way, does that mean Infinity Gauntlet was more garbage?

 

[Captain Marvel]

Secret Wars by far. The Fantastic Four were dead in Infinity Gauntlet.

Wow, so that's your measure of what makes for a better series? Whether the Fantastic Four were in it or not?

By the way, the Fantastic Four weren't in it because Thanos killed them. Doom accomplished that... when, exactly? And they're his greatest enemies?

 

[Franklin Richards]

Secret Wars

Big Bad Guy causes all the big name heroes to band together to defeat him. Then loses his power to an "inferior" only to gain it back and decide "NOT" to destroy the Multiverse.

Infinity Gauntlet

Big Bad Guy causes all the big name heroes to band together to defeat him. Then loses his power to an "inferior" only to gain it back and decide "NOT" to destroy the Multiverse.

 

[Anubis]

Thanos did that s**t twice.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Nope, just the power of Galactus and a lucky break. And the Beyonder is below the power level that Thanos achieved with the Infinity Gems. He also held on to that power for far longer and only lost it because, subconciously, he felt he didn't deserve it.

Lucky break?

So Thanos has never been on the receiving end of a "lucky break"? Pretty thin argument.

And didn't The Beyonder make Eternity his servant? Made him be a "gunner" for him. The Beyonder is in no way weaker than the Infinity Gems which everyone seems to think are downgraded anyway.

And he had the power longer? How much time passed on Battleworld and how much time passed on Thanos' floating rock? Cause I didn't read where they documented that.

Oh and thanks for giving me another reason Doom is better. He knows he deserves ultimate power.

Reading comprehension is your friend. His plan is to achieve omnipotent power. He has achieved that goal several times.

How many times? I can only think of a couple. And I'm not too sure about the second one.

He was a threat to the Avengers and a cosmic level power even before his second resurrection.

Just because Doom's arena is the Earth doesn't make him less powerful. Lots of "cosmic" entities hang out on the Earth so let's just ditch that comparison.

No, you don't know what you're talking about.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Arthur_Douglas_(Earth-616)

Drax was formerly a human named Arthur Douglas (and father of Moondragon) who after his death was recreated as Drax the Destroyer, a weapon to be used against Thanos. In no way, shape, or form is he any kind of a relation to Thanos, biological, adopted, whatever.

I can't cite where I read Thanos refering to Draxx as his "son" but it was one of those maudlin moments that Emo Thanos always has. Forgive me for having read a billion comics in my 40 years of existence. No need to be a dick about it.

Your imaginary friends don't count as "everyone". But if you think so then, by all means, start a poll and let's see what real people think.

My imaginary friends are Newsarama, CBR, Bleeding Cool, Superherohype, and the Marvel Comics Website. These sites run polls all the time and guess what? Doom always wins. Thanos can't even beat Magneto.

I'll get on board when Doom achieves half the feats which Thanos has achieved, which he never will.

You should probably read more comics.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Wow, so that's your measure of what makes for a better series? Whether the Fantastic Four were in it or not?

By the way, the Fantastic Four weren't in it because Thanos killed them. Doom accomplished that... when, exactly? And they're his greatest enemies?

Really? This is your argument? You realize that the Fantastic Four comic book is still around. Last I checked Captain Marvel died from cancer. Not Thanos.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Lucky break?

So Thanos has never been on the receiving end of a "lucky break"? Pretty thin argument.

Read Thanos Quest. He achieved the Infinity Gems one at a time through his skills and intelligence. He didn't require the Beyonder to get lazy and get within range of a power sapping device.

And didn't The Beyonder make Eternity his servant? Made him be a "gunner" for him. The Beyonder is in no way weaker than the Infinity Gems which everyone seems to think are downgraded anyway.

Cite source, please, because I never heard of this. As for the Infinity Gems, the only time I ever saw them downgraded was in that What If you posted a picture of. The one where they should've been called the Finite Gems, because apparently their power was only finite.

And he had the power longer? How much time passed on Battleworld and how much time passed on Thanos' floating rock? Cause I didn't read where they documented that.

A couple days on Battleworld, from what I remember, and he lost it because he didn't notice the Beyonder lurking around and waiting to get close enough to grab his power back. Thanos held on to his power longer as some time passed between his acquiring the power and The Infinity Gauntlet miniseries.

Oh and thanks for giving me another reason Doom is better. He knows he deserves ultimate power.

At least Thanos knows how to wield infinite power. He may subconsciously believe he doesn't deserve it, but at least when he uses infinite power to kill someone, they stay dead. He doesn't subconsciously will them back to life so they can come back and kick his ass.

How many times? I can only think of a couple. And I'm not too sure about the second one.

The Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet, at least. And he killed an entire universe recently without the help of any omnipotent power and had to be trapped in that dying universe because he was going to come back to the regular universe and kill everyone there, too.

Just because Doom's arena is the Earth doesn't make him less powerful. Lots of "cosmic" entities hang out on the Earth so let's just ditch that comparison.

Doom needs to develop technology to sap the Surfer's powers in order to challenge him. Thanos kicks the Surfer all across the block unaided.

I can't cite where I read Thanos refering to Draxx as his "son" but it was one of those maudlin moments that Emo Thanos always has. Forgive me for having read a billion comics in my 40 years of existence. No need to be a dick about it.

Don't talk like you're the authority on the subject if you don't want to be called out on it. You told me in unequivocal terms that Drax was his son and you were wrong about it.

My imaginary friends are Newsarama, CBR, Bleeding Cool, Superherohype, and the Marvel Comics Website. These sites run polls all the time and guess what? Doom always wins. Thanos can't even beat Magneto.

Fanboy votes don't change the fact that Thanos has proven to be the superior villain time and time again.

You should probably read more comics.

I've read plenty, and in all that time, Doom's one and only brush with greatness was in Secret Wars, and that's been it. So if he's had so many events centered around his becoming this great universal threat, then can you point them out? Because most of the time he's just a Fantastic Four enemy. And while the Fantastic Four are nice, they're Bush League in comparison to the people that Thanos typically fights.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ok. I'm tired of this. You win. You win. You win.


Feel better?


I'll just let the polls and sales numbers do the talking for me.


EDIT ---- And for the record.

I also remember that Eternity thing. Mephisto was the one who got him to be his gunner. Not the Beyonder. But I did notice the Beyonder killing Death.

Doom > Beyonder > Death > Thanos =P

 

[Captain Marvel]

Ok. I'm tired of this. You win. You win. You win.


Feel better?

As a matter of fact, yes.

I'll just let the polls and sales numbers do the talking for me.

Popularity and Sales don't equate to which character is the most dangerous. If that were the case then Spider-Man is clearly the most powerful and dangerous character of them all, far surpassing the likes of Thor, Superman, Supreme, Mr. Majestic, Doom, Thanos, Darkseid, and other cosmic powers in might.

As for that page you posted, I have no idea what's going on there without the context, but is Dave that the Beyonder's talking to Dave Cockrum? Dave Cockrum the comic artist? From all appearances, that's some kind of Fourth Wall breaking comic. As for Death, clearly the Beyonder didn't kill her as she's still around.