Thanos Vs. Doctor Doom: Which is the greater villain within the Marvel Universe?

Who is the greater villain?

  • Thanos

  • Doctor Doom


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Ok, I'm going to load a boatload of scans on the next two posts, but I just have to share this because it's such a fun fight. And let's face it, I very much doubt any of you are complaining about any of the scans in this thread. :P

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Yeah I just looked at those scans you posted of the Thanos vs Thor fight and it's just as a remember, a fairly even fight until that ray gun was used.

Yep it was, though as mentioned, Thor had Warrior's Madness AND he had the Power Gem. :) Anyway, I posted up his fight with Champion, another steroid case with the Power Gem.
 
Ok, I'm going to load a boatload of scans on the next two posts, but I just have to share this because it's such a fun fight. And let's face it, I very much doubt any of you are complaining about any of the scans in this thread. :P

I'm not complaining in the least Captain Marvel, that fight with between Thanos and Champion was awesome I'm not gonna lie I've forgotten about 85% of that fight.

Yep it was, though as mentioned, Thor had Warrior's Madness AND he had the Power Gem. :) Anyway, I posted up his fight with Champion, another steroid case with the Power Gem.

Oh of course, it's still quite impressive though because most characters can't last that long against Thanos even when using the Power Gem.
 
I'm not complaining in the least Captain Marvel, that fight with between Thanos and Champion was awesome I'm not gonna lie I've forgotten about 85% of that fight.

Yeah, it was a really great fight. Not only did we see Thanos up against someone more powerful than the Hulk (World War Hulk, at his strongest, was strong enough to stamp his feet and send the eastern seaboard into the ocean. Champion obliterated an entire planet with a single punch), but he fought this guy with raw power, technology, and his own cleverness. And personally, I thought the bit afterwards where Champion is floating around in space to be hysterical.

CHAMPION: I'll battle you for your vessel!

THANOS: Why should I agree to such a contest?

CHAMPION: For the honor of combat!

THANOS: Rubbish. I don't feel like fighting.

Oh of course, it's still quite impressive though because most characters can't last that long against Thanos even when using the Power Gem.

What I think is impressive is here we have two cases of Thanos going up against powerhouses who're wielding the Power Gem, both Thor and Champion, and he beats them both singlehandedly. Then you have the situation in Infinity Gauntlet #4 where he purposely willed himself to be weaker, so that he ONLY had the Power Gem at his disposal, and that was enough for him to slaughter all the assembled superhumans from Earth that were thrown against him.
 
When someone's hiding from someone that they dwarf in power, it's usually because they have a plan.

Or it's because the guy they're hiding from has an army behind him which includes Ultron and the Molecule Man, WHO JUST DROPPED A FRIGGIN' MOUNTAIN RANGE ON ALL OF HIS FRIENDS!!! It's hardly reasonable to say that he was hiding from just Doom, or that Doom was even the main reason why he was hiding.
 
Yeah, it was a really great fight. Not only did we see Thanos up against someone more powerful than the Hulk (World War Hulk, at his strongest, was strong enough to stamp his feet and send the eastern seaboard into the ocean. Champion obliterated an entire planet with a single punch), but he fought this guy with raw power, technology, and his own cleverness. And personally, I thought the bit afterwards where Champion is floating around in space to be hysterical.

CHAMPION: I'll battle you for your vessel!

THANOS: Why should I agree to such a contest?

CHAMPION: For the honor of combat!

THANOS: Rubbish. I don't feel like fighting.

Yeah that was pretty funny, when I first read this fight I was like "Oh yeah, Thanos vs the guy who pretty much pummeled all of earth's strongest heroes" (except for Thor and Hulk they were disqualified).



What I think is impressive is here we have two cases of Thanos going up against powerhouses who're wielding the Power Gem, both Thor and Champion, and he beats them both singlehandedly. Then you have the situation in Infinity Gauntlet #4 where he purposely willed himself to be weaker, so that he ONLY had the Power Gem at his disposal, and that was enough for him to slaughter all the assembled superhumans from Earth that were thrown against him.

Oh yeah that's very true, but it's Thanos so I expect nothing less oh and did he have any enhancements whatsoever when his fight against Thor?
 
When someone's hiding from someone that they dwarf in power, it's usually because they have a plan.

I thought you said he was always ready for a fight? I've shown you two instances where he's avoided confronting Doom. And yet you and the Captain would have us believe that Doom was a coward for teleporting away from Thor at the end of his fight.

And Thor hardly dwarfs Doom.


Time for more Doom posts.


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That was a panel proving he spent a million years studying the black arts from The Marquis.


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Nope, none. Thor just got dropped into his lap unexpectedly. The Infinity Watch was getting its ass kicked by Thor so Pip, knowing they needed help, teleported Thor practically right on top of Thanos. The first screenshot I put up is only a few seconds after Thor's appearance in Thanos's home.
 
Or it's because the guy they're hiding from has an army behind him which includes Ultron and the Molecule Man, WHO JUST DROPPED A FRIGGIN' MOUNTAIN RANGE ON ALL OF HIS FRIENDS!!! It's hardly reasonable to say that he was hiding from just Doom, or that Doom was even the main reason why he was hiding.

All resources controlled by Doom. If we're just going to stick with these guys stuck in a vacuum then it's pretty easy to handle a bionic Titan.


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I thought you said he was always ready for a fight? I've shown you two instances where he's avoided confronting Doom. And yet you and the Captain would have us believe that Doom was a coward for teleporting away from Thor at the end of his fight.

And Thor hardly dwarfs Doom.

Once again he wasn't running from just Doom, I've never read that issue but I just found out from Captain Marvel that Doom had an army at his disposal. You honestly don't believe Thor was running from Doom himself do you, that would be laughable seeing as he's faced down Celestials before.

Oh and yeah, Thor dwarfs Doom in terms of power and he couldn't even defeat Thor with the use of The Destroyer armo) lol.

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And yet you and the Captain would have us believe that Doom was a coward for teleporting away from Thor at the end of his fight.

Probably because you're being completely disingenuous about the situations that you're talking about.

Situation 1: Thor flies by and Doom is randomly hurling insults. Ok, whatever. Just because some jerk yells at you and tries to pick a fight that doesn't mean you have to fight him, and clearly Thor had more important things to deal with than a glorified soccer hooligan.

Situation 2: Doom had an army of supervillains behind him, who Thor had already tried taking down on his own, but it wasn't working out. And it wasn't from Doom he ran from, because Doom didn't even do anything that fight. He ran from Ultron and the Molecule Man. Moreover, he had other matters to attend to, seeing as how Molecule Man (Not Doom, but Molecule Man) had dropped an entire mountain range on his friends, and so he needed to live to help them out in case there were any survivors. And as it turns out, yes, they DID need his help to get out.

But when it came down to an actual one-on-one fight between them? As shown above, even when Doom is piloting his own version of the Destroyer armor, Thor still kicks his tail all over the block and trashes Doom's castle in the process. We are, after all, talking about a guy who beat the Sentry to death. You remember the Sentry, right? The guy who completely humiliarted Doom by ripping off his mask before he and the Avengers captured him?

So yeah, Thor dwarfs Doom, big time!
 
All resources controlled by Doom. If we're just going to stick with these guys stuck in a vacuum then it's pretty easy to handle a bionic Titan.


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How do you figure that? Because from what I can tell, you can drop an insane, Power Gem fuelled Thor onto Thanos's lap while he's sitting on the can, reading the newspaper and taking a crap, and he'd STILL manage an even fight, and will win if he grabs something which he himself calls a toy off a bench. He certainly doesn't need to go running to Ultron, the Molecule Man, the Absorbing Man, Doctor Octopus, the Enchantress, Kang, Volcana, Titania, and the Wrecking Crew for help.

BTW: BigThor, that screenshot was from Secret Wars, and if you take a closer look at it you'll see a bunch of people with Doom. They're all the villains I listed above (although I may have missed a couple).
 
Again... all controlled by Doom. What's the problem? Has Doom not faced Thor enough for you to consider him a challenge? Is that Destroyer battle not long enough for you? How bout that first one I posted from the Kirby years? Just stop.

Take it to the Thor thread.


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Again... all controlled by Doom. What's the problem? Has Doom not faced Thor enough for you to consider him a challenge? Is that Destroyer battle not long enough for you? How bout that first one I posted from the Kirby years? Just stop.

Take it to the Thor thread.


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Lol "take it to the Thor thread", yeah I definately consider Doom a challenge for anyone because of his intelligence and penchant for stealing powers from beings more powerful than him.

But at the end of the day, if you pit regular Doom & regular Thor against each other the fight is going to be severely one-sided.

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Again... all controlled by Doom. What's the problem? Has Doom not faced Thor enough for you to consider him a challenge? Is that Destroyer battle not long enough for you?

You left out in the Secret Wars shot that Doom was surrounded by almost two dozen other villains, including a handful who're more powerful than him, most notably the Molecule Man who, as I mentioned before, had just finished dropping a mountain range on all the other heroes. Running from all of them isn't the same as running from Doom. Especially when his friends have all been buried alive and he needed to rescue them.

How bout that first one I posted from the Kirby years? Just stop.

Much like the screenshot from the Secret Wars, you provided no context for that shot. And the way you make it out to be is totally against Thor's character. Do you really expect us to believe that Thor flew away because he was afraid of Doom? He flew away because there was no point fighting Doom and he had other things he had to do. Even without reading the comic in question, it's pretty obvious that that's the case, and not that Thor was afraid of fighting Doom.

So Thanos doesn't get direct assistance from Death?


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Except for that instance when he was in the Cancerverse, a universe where there was no death, no, he doesn't. Can you point to any time when Death pops out and starts zapping people for him? You can't because it's never happened. You certainly don't see him marching around with a band of supervillains. I've posted a bundle of screenshots of Thanos's fights here, and every time it's him alone.
 
Because Doom is not an idiot. Thor has the advantage in hand to hand. Why would he engage in that without a plan? Doom would just travel back in time and make sure Donald Blake never found his cane. Or take over Ultron... or create Titania and Volcana... or drain the power of the Silver Surfer...

This isn't Over the Top... this is WAR!



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Death doesn't pop out. Anything that's not bionic Titan powers is coming from her.


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Lol "take it to the Thor thread", yeah I definately consider Doom a challenge for anyone because of his intelligence and penchant for stealing powers from beings more powerful than him.

But at the end of the day, if you pit regular Doom & regular Thor against each other the fight is going to be severely one-sided.

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Yep. The fact that Doom went into that fight with a powerup and still lost should be all one needs to know about where they stand on the scale relative to each other. But in case it's still not clear...

- Doom was completely humiliated by the Sentry.

- The Sentry was beaten to death by Thor.

- An insane Thor who was wielding THE POWER GEM couldn't defeat a surprised Thanos who wasn't expecting a fight.

That seems like a fairly linear train of logic to follow.
 
Everyone was humiliated by The Sentry. Ares was ripped in half. The only reason Thor beat the Sentry was because Bob was fighting The Void from the inside. So back that **** up.

And you posted a picture of Doom taking a full blast from the POWER GEM and not going down.


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Death doesn't pop out. Anything that's not bionic Titan powers is coming from her.


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Incorrect. She did boost his powers after she resurrected him, but that was a one-time deal. He's not "drawing" on power from her. That's no different than Doom learning magic from whomever. He acquired the power from elsewhere but, once he got it, it's his alone.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

And even before then he was incredibly powerful. As already mentioned, Captain America already considered Thanos to be the Avengers greatest villain before all of that.

By far the most powerful Titanian Eternal, Thanos is a mutant whose massive, heavy-bodied body was born with the capacity to synthesize cosmic energy for certain personal uses. Thanos has increased his powers through bionic amplification, mystical enhancement, and as a result of being resurrected by Death itself.


Superhuman Intellect: Possibly Thanos' most dangerous ability is his mind. Thanos' intellect is dedicated to enhancing his own powers and to the annihilation of all life. Thanos is a genius in virtually all known fields of advanced science and has created technology far exceeding contemporary Earth science. His intellect surpasses Earth's greatest minds, Reed Richards and Doctor Doom.


Superhuman Strength: Thanos possesses vast superhuman strength the full limits of which aren't known. Death has increased his strength beyond their original limits to levels rivaling or surpassing those of the physically strongest Eternals. Thanos is one of the strongest beings in the Universe and is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons without any effort. Thanos' strength is so vast he has destroyed entire planets with the simple force of his blows. He has proven capable of fighting both Thor and the Thing simultaneously for an extended period. His strength reserves are so vast that with only a handful of blows, he has been able to beat the likes of the Silver Surfer to the brink of death. Thanos can augment his strength with his cosmic energy when needed.

Superhuman Speed: Despite his massive muscular bulk, Thanos is capable of running and moving at speeds greater than the finest human athlete.


Limitless Stamina: Thanos' musculature produces almost no fatigue toxins during physical activity. As a result, he has limitless superhuman stamina in all physical activities.

Superhuman Durability: Before his "death", Thanos possessed an impressive degree of resistance to physical injury, even compared to other Eternals. After his resurrection, Death increased his ability to resist injury to a much greater degree and he is nigh invulnerable. He has withstood at point blank range planet destroying attacks without any harm. He has withstood blows and attacks from beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer, and even Thor unharmed. He possesses such an incredible resistance to injury, he has been shown to survive point blank blasts from universal level entities such as Odin and Galactus.


Immortality: Thanos, like all Eternals, is immortal in the sense that he is immune to all known diseases and infections and is immune to the effects of aging. Formerly, Thanos was banned by Death itself from entering its realm, rendering him truly immortal. No matter the severity of any injury, Thanos was unable to die and completely recovered.

  • Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his extraordinary durability, it is possible to injure Thanos. Like all Eternals, however, Thanos is capable of regenerating damaged tissue with much greater speed and efficiency than a human being. His healing powers aren't as developed as those of some Eternals. Some Eternals are capable of regenerating any destroyed tissue. Given the circumstances of his latest death, Thanos is unable to regenerate missing organs.
Superhuman Agility: Despite his great size, Thanos' agility, balance, and bodily coordination are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete. His agility is roughly equal to that of the average Eternal.

Superhuman Reflexes: Thanos' reaction time is enhanced to a level that is beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete. Like his agility, his reflexes are about average for an Eternal.

Energy Manipulation: Thanos has displayed great versatility in the use of his energy projection powers. He has demonstrated the ability to project energy as a concussive force, gamma radiation bursts, infrared heat-beams, and disruptor beams, as well as form force shields. The exact extent of Thanos' energy projection abilities are unknown, but a single eye-blast has been capable of rendering the Thing unconscious and knocking down the likes of Thor. His blasts are so powerful he has been able to easily destroy planets and release In-Betweener from his prison created by Master Order and Lord Chaos. It has been speculated that the nature of Thanos' cosmic energy reserve may be quasi-mystical in nature.

Telepathy: Thanos possesses vast psionic abilities. His mind is invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack. So far Thanos has demonstrated the ability to project blasts of psionic energy, as well as being able to shut down another being's mind and can communicate telepathically with most if not all beings.

Matter Manipulation: Thanos has demonstrated the ability to manipulate matter on the atomic level similar to other Earthborn Eternals. On one occasion, he turned the Skrull, Skragg into stone.

Teleportation: Thanos can teleport himself across unknown distances under his own power in the same manner that most Earthborn Eternals can. It is likely that Thanos, like most Earthborn Eternals find the process unpleasant and instead, prefers to use teleportation technology.


Either way, that's a far cry from having the Molecule Man, a completely different person with his own set of powers, doing the fighting for you.
 

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