The Acolyte: Episode 7 (Spoiler Thread)

[DarkKnight88]

When Sol was trying to keep both girls from falling using the force, then was like, well I like girl #2 better, I don’t know why all I could think of was this moment.

 

[Drizzle]

It's interesting when this was shown at D23 (or whatever it was) this was the show that fans had hyped up, but I remember being more intrigued with the Skeleton Crew when that trailer leaked (and Andor season 2 of course).

I think the hype mostly boiled down to it being a prequel era show which is something I was excited for as well. I was also really excited to see Carrie Anne Moss as a Jedi but I should have kept those expectations in check.

As it is now I'm cautiously optimistic about Skeleton Crew but much more hyped for Andor S2 (as so should we all be, tbh).

When Sol was trying to keep both girls from falling using the force, then was like, well I like girl #2 better, I don’t know why all I could think of was this moment.

Off topic but that movie pulled off what the Wet Bandits never could.

 

[flickchick85]

Skeleton Crew is Jon Watts, so I have zero hype/expectations for that. Thank the Star Wars gods for Andor is all I have to say.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Reading some comments in this thread today. I expected this episode to be terrible, but it's yet another episode where I don't really understand a lot of the negativity.

People say the Jedi acted stupid, but they were faced with a coven of dark force using witches who had already threatened and possessed their padawan. When mother started doing some disintegrating in front of Sol, and he saw it was also happening to one of the twins, he obviously didn't know what was coming, and had a previously possessed padawan with him.

Sol choosing between the twins was interesting, as The Master hinted at in episode 5, Sol obviously has some darkness and selfishness in him, and it came out here.

Torbin was a young and impatient Padawan and wanted to go home already, then also went through something strange and alien just accelerating that feeling.

Indara then wanted to protect a friend after all that **** went down, and also probably hide the fact she also killed a bunch of witches banishing them from Kelnecca's mind.

The only bits I found poorly done were Sol's immediate connection to the girls and more specifically Osha. That definitely needed more meat on the bones. But overall I mostly enjoyed this episode.

Sol obviously has a lot to answer for, and Osha is going to be might pissed at him when she finds out what.

 

[blackdragon6]

I feel like this is a show with some interesting ideas that are clumsily implemented. Also where did the budget go?.... Seriously, this looks so bland for a show allegedly costing over a 100 milly.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah, it's stacked with directors that I love, I feel like it's gonna work out better than all of these minus Andor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How people are reacting here reminds me of me after TROS....sad SW has ended up like this.

Most people's issue with TROS are not your issues with it. The complaints about Palpatine are tied directly to the issue of Kylo not being the final boss he should've been.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Skeleton Crew gets a lot of goodwill from me based on the list of directors. Jake Schreier (directed six episodes of Beef), David Lowery, the Daniels, Lee Isaac Chung, Bryce Dallas Howard... and Jon Watts. That's an insane lineup of directors. I'm especially looking forward to Chung's episode(s), since his The Mandalorian season 3 episode is probably my favorite of the series, amidst all the mediocrity of that season.

When it comes to television, directors are important. But not more so then the writers. Television is their medium.

 

[Snow Queen]

Skeleton Crew is Jon Watts, so I have zero hype/expectations for that. Thank the Star Wars gods for Andor is all I have to say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Reading some comments in this thread today. I expected this episode to be terrible, but it's yet another episode where I don't really understand a lot of the negativity.

People say the Jedi acted stupid, but they were faced with a coven of dark force using witches who had already threatened and possessed their padawan. When mother started doing some disintegrating in front of Sol, and he saw it was also happening to one of the twins, he obviously didn't know what was coming, and had a previously possessed padawan with him.

Sol choosing between the twins was interesting, as The Master hinted at in episode 5, Sol obviously has some darkness and selfishness in him, and it came out here.

Torbin was a young and impatient Padawan and wanted to go home already, then also went through something strange and alien just accelerating that feeling.

Indara then wanted to protect a friend after all that **** went down, and also probably hide the fact she also killed a bunch of witches banishing them from Kelnecca's mind.

The only bits I found poorly done were Sol's immediate connection to the girls and more specifically Osha. That definitely needed more meat on the bones. But overall I mostly enjoyed this episode.

Sol obviously has a lot to answer for, and Osha is going to be might pissed at him when she finds out what.

It's stupid how many conveniently stupid things need to come together, in stupid ways, with stupid dialogue, that leads to it all being extraordinarily stupid.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's stupid how many conveniently stupid things need to come together, in stupid ways, with stupid dialogue, that leads to it all being extraordinarily stupid.

Stupidity, arrogance and fear is indeed what drives most of the things to happen. But that's very true for life in general also.

 

[flickchick85]

Stupidity, arrogance and fear is indeed what drives most of the things to happen. But that's very true for life in general also.

If we're all sitting here thinking the behavior's stupid, then unless you're TRYING to write characters that are stupider than the average person, you're not doing a great job.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Stupidity, arrogance and fear is indeed what drives most of the things to happen. But that's very true for life in general also.

This can excuse all bad writing ever. This would justify everything from BvS to the Room.

Hubris being a Jedi's down fall is very fertile ground, especially with the premise of the prequels. But not when done like this. Not when you have to make everyone an idiot for it to work out. And we aren't talking cleverly written idiots like say, Jackie Brown (outside of Jackie of course) or Knives Out. We're talking, "why doesn't Superman just talk to Batman instead of fighting him" levels of dumb.

 

[Sithborg]

Sol's actions don't bother me, which let me be clear, is not saying what happened was written or presented as well as it could have been. I've seen a group of force users, presumeabley from more lightish traditions, who had gathered for a great big philosophical talk, react with violence when someone from a tradition they viewed as dark just showed up to ask if they could join.

Hell, Sol was more than likely trained by a padawan who saw what happened with the Nihil, or knew what had happened. In the wake of the Nameless, a creature that literally turned you to dust my projecting fear through the force, "act first, think later" would be a reasonable thing to be taught to Padawans dealing with beings able to manipulate thoughts and perceptions through the force.

Hell, he seems to be buddies with Verne, probably heard about Zeen Mrala, a young force user raised in a cult that preached against any manipulation of the force, and hated the Jedi. And her story makes quite clear the parallels to real life issues of young people raised in strict religious households. Right down to her nice guy, homophobic childhood friend joining the Nihil (Star Wars vikings) because Zeen turned him down for a girl. And lets be honest, if you just saw the kids with Mother Maul, would you think it is a good place for kids.

But that is just me being a big High Republic geek. They absolutely did not present the situation as best they should have, even keeping Sol in as the wrong as he was in this episode. I get the feeling they are trying too hard to draw parallels to Anakin and Quigon in TPM, as a narrative short hand.

 

[Sian]

I think the hype mostly boiled down to it being a prequel era show which is something I was excited for as well. I was also really excited to see Carrie Anne Moss as a Jedi but I should have kept those expectations in check.

As it is now I'm cautiously optimistic about Skeleton Crew but much more hyped for Andor S2 (as so should we all be, tbh).


Off topic but that movie pulled off what the Wet Bandits never could.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sol's actions don't bother me, which let me be clear, is not saying what happened was written or presented as well as it could have been. I've seen a group of force users, presumeabley from more lightish traditions, who had gathered for a great big philosophical talk, react with violence when someone from a tradition they viewed as dark just showed up to ask if they could join.

Hell, Sol was more than likely trained by a padawan who saw what happened with the Nihil, or knew what had happened. In the wake of the Nameless, a creature that literally turned you to dust my projecting fear through the force, "act first, think later" would be a reasonable thing to be taught to Padawans dealing with beings able to manipulate thoughts and perceptions through the force.

Hell, he seems to be buddies with Verne, probably heard about Zeen Mrala, a young force user raised in a cult that preached against any manipulation of the force, and hated the Jedi. And her story makes quite clear the parallels to real life issues of young people raised in strict religious households. Right down to her nice guy, homophobic childhood friend joining the Nihil (Star Wars vikings) because Zeen turned him down for a girl. And lets be honest, if you just saw the kids with Mother Maul, would you think it is a good place for kids.

But that is just me being a big High Republic geek. They absolutely did not present the situation as best they should have, even keeping Sol in as the wrong as he was in this episode. I get the feeling they are trying too hard to draw parallels to Anakin and Quigon in TPM, as a narrative short hand.

Yeah this for me. I don't have your knowledge of the High Republic, but most of actions I got in this episode.

It was all driven by fear, entitlement and arrogance, all of which breed stupidity and this leads to so many conflicts in every day life. I literally see it most days in my job. So apart from what I mentioned previously, I got most of the actions in this episode.

 

[DA_Champion]

I thought the episode was ok.

It was a bit boring as I think that a second flashback episode was necessary, but it still accomplished some world building and explained some parts. I understood most of the actions of the Jedi except for those of curly, him running off seems pointless other than to advance the plot.

Is Curly sexually attracted to Indira? I think that's what they implied. I don't blame him, she's hot, but it seems unnecessary as a plot element.

I also noticed that they didn't have the courage to state the midichlorian counts of the twins. Was it comparable to Anakin's 20,000+? No idea. They didn't tell us. It's clear what the issue is. Disney Star Wars wants to minimize Anakin and Luke, whereas many fans want them to be singular.

I don't understand what "symbiotes" are. I hope we're not expected to read twenty five books. For any Star Wars show, only the movies should be required viewing. I also don't understand what the vergance did, did it turn a mining planet into a forest planet? Does vergance mean any birth directly from the mother or something greater? What was that book being burned, the prophecy of Anakin? This mystery box nonsense harkens back to Jar Jar Abrams. I hope that they actually answer these questions.

All that said, I'm still enjoying the show and still happy I watched it. It's a substantial step up from the sequel trilogy in that it's actually telling a story and accomplishing world building, and the characters have better motivations. I understood why Indara wanted what happened covered up, that explained a lot. I also understood why the other Jedi felt guilt. I understood the tension in the coven over whether or not to let Osha go.

 

[Sian]

I thought the episode was ok.

It was a bit boring as I think that a second flashback episode was necessary, but it still accomplished some world building and explained some parts. I understood most of the actions of the Jedi except for those of curly, him running off seems pointless other than to advance the plot.

Is Curly sexually attracted to Indira? I think that's what they implied. I don't blame him, she's hot, but it seems unnecessary as a plot element.

I also noticed that they didn't have the courage to state the midichlorian counts of the twins. Was it comparable to Anakin's 20,000+? No idea. They didn't tell us. It's clear what the issue is. Disney Star Wars wants to minimize Anakin and Luke, whereas many fans want them to be singular.

I don't understand what "symbiotes" are. I hope we're not expected to read twenty five books. For any Star Wars show, only the movies should be required viewing. I also don't understand what the vergance did, did it turn a mining planet into a forest planet? Does vergance mean any birth directly from the mother or something greater? What was that book being burned, the prophecy of Anakin? This mystery box nonsense harkens back to Jar Jar Abrams. I hope that they actually answer these questions.

All that said, I'm still enjoying the show and still happy I watched it. It's a substantial step up from the sequel trilogy in that it's actually telling a story and accomplishing world building, and the characters have better motivations. I understood why Indara wanted what happened covered up, that explained a lot. I also understood why the other Jedi felt guilt. I understood the tension in the coven over whether or not to let Osha go.

The ST suffered from this, especially the Kylo Ren character; his entire backstory was relegated to comics. Regarding Luke and Anakin being 'minimized', TROS was the end of the Skywalker Saga. Disney are moving away from them.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah this show seems to be spinning its wheels. Aside from Sol straight-up murdering Mae’s mom and Torbin being a whiny little homesick turd, most of this episode felt like a retread of the previous flashback episode. Unless we get more of her in the finale, this was truly a waste of Carrie-Ann Moss.

And on that note, I think I know what the problem with so many of these shows (and movies) has been: the Jedi. They’re both the coolest and most boring characters in the entire story. They have cool powers and give us awesome fight sequences but they’re typically so drained of personality and charisma that they’re not fun to follow. Luke works in the original trilogy because he’s inexperienced and rash. You like him because he’s still relatable; while he has supernatural abilities, he only realized he has them during the story so we discover his powers with him.

Most of these other shows and movies have Jedi who are already set in their ways and know most of their abilities, so they all just feel like people who are good at fighting and took some edibles. This first became apparent in the prequels, when you mostly followed Obi-Wan and Anakin. Ewan is a great actor but it’s like they sucked all the charisma out of him and Hayden didn’t have the talent to portray a man struggling to contain his impulsive, selfish urges (and to be fair, the script did him no favors). Hell they even made Samuel L. Jackson of all people feel lifeless for most of those awful movies.

More recently we had Ahsoka, who is zen to the point of being completely boring. Sabine was a bit better but so much of that show felt like a missed opportunity. The Jedi on The Acolyte also often feel like cardboard cutouts of characters. I liked Sol for a while but these past few episodes pretty much had to turn him into an idiot in an effort to make him interesting. Torbin was insufferable; it would have been so easy to give him something interesting to make him act irrationally but instead all we got was “I hate camping! I want to go home!” The Wookie has no personality (I know that’s kinda expected but there was potential there and they did so little with him). And Carrie-Ann Moss is just kinda the boring, wise leader. She deserved better material.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah this show seems to be spinning its wheels. Aside from Sol straight-up murdering Mae’s mom and Torbin being a whiny little homesick turd, most of this episode felt like a retread of the previous flashback episode. Unless we get more of her in the finale, this was truly a waste of Carrie-Ann Moss.

And on that note, I think I know what the problem with so many of these shows (and movies) has been: the Jedi. They’re both the coolest and most boring characters in the entire story. They have cool powers and give us awesome fight sequences but they’re typically so drained of personality and charisma that they’re not fun to follow. Luke works in the original trilogy because he’s inexperienced and rash. You like him because he’s still relatable; while he has supernatural abilities, he only realized he has them during the story so we discover his powers with him.

Most of these other shows and movies have Jedi who are already set in their ways and know most of their abilities, so they all just feel like people who are good at fighting and took some edibles. This first became apparent in the prequels, when you mostly followed Obi-Wan and Anakin. Ewan is a great actor but it’s like they sucked all the charisma out of him and Hayden didn’t have the talent to portray a man struggling to contain his impulsive, selfish urges (and to be fair, the script did him no favors). Hell they even made Samuel L. Jackson of all people feel lifeless for most of those awful movies.

More recently we had Ahsoka, who is zen to the point of being completely boring. Sabine was a bit better but so much of that show felt like a missed opportunity. The Jedi on The Acolyte also often feel like cardboard cutouts of characters. I liked Sol for a while but these past few episodes pretty much had to turn him into an idiot in an effort to make him interesting. Torbin was insufferable; it would have been so easy to give him something interesting to make him act irrationally but instead all we got was “I hate camping! I want to go home!” The Wookie has no personality (I know that’s kinda expected but there was potential there and they did so little with him). And Carrie-Ann Moss is just kinda the boring, wise leader. She deserved better material.

I do agree on Torbin. Him being possessed obviously put fear into him and made his desire to go home even more intense, but they definitely could have given him more motivation. And a better one.

He didn't actually hurt any of the witches either, so I don't get why he is so guilt ridden as to willingly kill himself.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I do agree on Torbin. Him being possessed obviously put fear into him and made his desire to go home even more intense, but they definitely could have given him more motivation. And a better one.

He didn't actually hurt any of the witches either, so I don't get why he is so guilt ridden as to willingly kill himself.

Yeah, they’ve been weirdly inconsistent with these characters. Like, Sol trying so hard not to use his lightsaber and kill Maul Mother feels pretty hollow mere seconds after he impaled the other mother. Like, I get why he thought he had to kill her in that moment but it really bothered me that he didn’t at least try to do something that wouldn’t result in her immediate death.

Then again, this is a Star Wars TV show, where normally, characters just walk off being stabbed by a lightsaber. So maybe he thought she’d be okay, lol.

Anyway, they still have a LOT of ground to cover in the final episode. We still have no idea how Darth Letmesoloher even found Mae or what his connection to Sol and/or Vern is. Or how Mae survived and where she’s been all these years. I heard something about Headland wanting to save some answers for season 2, but… is that even guaranteed? I understand cliffhangers but I also feel like each season of a show should mostly feel like a complete story.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, they’ve been weirdly inconsistent with these characters. Like, Sol trying so hard not to use his lightsaber and kill Maul Mother feels pretty hollow mere seconds after he impaled the other mother. Like, I get why he thought he had to kill her in that moment but it really bothered me that he didn’t at least try to do something that wouldn’t result in her immediate death.

Then again, this is a Star Wars TV show, where normally, characters just walk off being stabbed by a lightsaber. So maybe he thought she’d be okay, lol.

Anyway, they still have a LOT of ground to cover in the final episode. We still have no idea how Darth Letmesoloher even found Mae or what his connection to Sol and/or Vern is. Or how Mae survived and where she’s been all these years. I heard something about Headland wanting to save some answers for season 2, but… is that even guaranteed? I understand cliffhangers but I also feel like each season of a show should mostly feel like a complete story.

I get Sol killing mother, the Palawan had already been possessed previously and Sol didn’t know what that disintegration thing was doing to her or Mae.

Torbins motivation and guilt are just wonky.

 

[Albright]

This is Star Wars Secret Invasion.
When it was announced at the Investors Day it was my most anticipated project after Andor.
I thought this will be about Sith Cults and Dark Sisters. Instead it’s Frozen on a SW planet with the stupidest Jedis of every SW project.
Why is this show called the Acolyte? Only 1 episode was about Qimir looking for an Acolyte - and why does he need one?