The Amazing Spider-Man The After Credits Scene and other nitpicks

[vrivasfl]

So just took a look at IMDB for Michael Massee and he is listed as the actor who played "The man in the shadows of the post-credits scene".

Also someone else had posted a lightened version of a still from that scene and it is very obviously him (hairline is unmistakable).

So now is it or isn't it Michael Masse in the poster in the lobby of Oscorp?

I did find a quick clip of the Oscorp Lobby scene and guess what kiddies...?

Yes, Michael Masse is the man in the poster/holographic picture in the lobby of Oscorp, meaning that it was Norman Osborn visiting Dr. Connors during the after credit's scene.

So that begs the question of why the thunder and how it seemed he "disappeared" when the thunder struck. Easy answer is "for effect". Totally speculative answer is "to make some people think it's Mysterio".

So then how did he get in and out of that room?

Well he's supposed to be this super rich and powerful dude. I would imagine that he could buy his way in and out of that room. Yes it appeared that he entered/left from an area of the room that is different from where Connors came in, but that's subjective.

This is real simple at this point...

Masse is Osborn. Massee is the actor of the "shadow figure". The shadow figure is Osborn. Everything else was just for effect!

This does not disqualify the Chameleon as a possibility. It is completely possible that the Chameleon took the appearance of Osborn when visiting Connors is jail.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Exactly....Ifans said that was not Osborn, yet we are told that Mike Massee plays the man in the shadow(mits), yet he's the same person in the lobby poster. So it appears that Massee is playing the Chameleon playing Norman.

As far as the holding cell, secret access like the many Oscorps warehouses.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Yeah, it wasn't Norman, it was chameleon as Norman... so technically, it's not Norman, but it is.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Exactly....Ifans said that was not Osborn, yet we are told that Mike Massee plays the man in the shadow(mits), yet he's the same person in the lobby poster. So it appears that Massee is playing the Chameleon playing Norman.

As far as the holding cell, secret access like the many Oscorps warehouses.

Let's not forget a certain someone adamantly denying they were playing Talia Al Ghul...

 

[vrivasfl]

All right. That is a good point. I'll keep my money on Chameleon of now, but Osborn remains a possibility. Electro and Mysterio are longshots. Anyone else is just reaching.

 

[Super Jim]

We know that this director likes to keep us all guessing. I am sure he got all of his actors to agree to do, for the most part, the same.

So there's really three viable possibilities:

#1: Ifans lied when he said that it wasn't Osborn. This seems the most likely since no one has admitted yet that the poster of Osborn is Massee who is credited with the "man in the shadows" part.

#2: Ifans doesn't know that it is Osborn. Maybe this could be true. He could have been told "someone from Oscorp" - "a man in shadow" - comes into the cell and talks with Connors.

#3: This is the least liekly. That it's not Osborn. So if it isn't Osborn, yet it is the actor who is playing Osborn, then I would agree it has to be either the Cameleon or Mysterio (playing mind games). But if you think about it neither of these makes a lot of sense. First Mysterio would be a very difficult villain to portray without being all campy. And the Cameleon is kind of a second rate villain. He's more of a hench man than an actual villain.

Of the three likely villains the one that makes the most sense, especially since we now know that Masse is Osborn (remember I was able to prove this with the poster in the lobby), that Masse is credited as "the man in the shadows", with Gwen Stacey as the main heroin, and that only someone powerful would have been able to get into that cell; well Gobby is the perfect villain.

 

[Oscorp]

1) I don't think Ifans lied. I've read people compare this to the case with [BLACKOUT]Talia[/BLACKOUT] in TDKR. It's not the same thing at all however. For TDKR, they lied because rumours got out unintentionally.

With this however, Webb & Co teased us intentionally in this film, much like [BLACKOUT]Thanos[/BLACKOUT] in The Avengers, however not nearly as clear and well done. Why bother doing that at all if they're just going "Na-ah!" about it afterwards? That makes the whole scene completely unnecessary and uncalled for. I think they want us to speculate, but I don't think they'd downright lie if we'd guess right. Ifans would probably say something like "I can't comment on that one but you'll be excited when you know who it is" or something like that. Not "No it's not him!". That would be pretty dumb if you ask me. Why lie about something you put in the film yourself anyways?

2) I don't know how plausible this is, really. I'm not into the business so I have no idea how much the actors actually know about things like this. But if he really didn't know anything more than that it's someone from Oscorp, then I don't think he'd seem so sure that it's not Osborn. I think he'd be like "I'd love to tell you but even I don't know! All I know is that it's someone important." or something like that.

3) I don't think it has been confirmed at all that Massee will play Osborn. I'm not denying the fact that chances are there, but as far as I know we have no idea yet. I have seen the poster in the lobby and to me, I don't see Massee's face at all. Looks more like Peter Parker to me (though of course I realise it's not him).

 

[Anno_Domini]

In the credits i'm 99% sure it's there mostly because I had forgot she'd passed away until I saw the in memory of.

I'll be watching it again soon so I'll have to pay close attention to see if it's really there.

 

[vrivasfl]

#3: This is the least liekly. That it's not Osborn. So if it isn't Osborn, yet it is the actor who is playing Osborn, then I would agree it has to be either the Cameleon or Mysterio (playing mind games). But if you think about it neither of these makes a lot of sense. First Mysterio would be a very difficult villain to portray without being all campy. And the Cameleon is kind of a second rate villain. He's more of a hench man than an actual villain.

I'm going to hold out on number three. I fell Chameleon is likely, although I do agree that he is a secondary villain who in unable to sustain an entire movie. If I'm right about Chameleon, I'd prefer he take a secondary role in the film while someone else (preferably Electro) takes the role of main villain.

I guess the most important thing to remember is that the script hasn't even been written yet. Marc Webb may have an idea about who the man in the shadows is, but there's a lot of time between now and summer of 2014. It's totally possible that the scene was written as Chameleon, but sometime between now and then, he and the writers decided to remove him from the script and decide that the man in the shadows really was Norman. Or Electro. Or Mysterio. Or Aunt Carnage.

 

[Hugebear]

The Chameleon is a primary villain (and first Spider-man super-villain) that can carry an entire movie. But it will be harder now because it’s won’t be an origin film anymore. But it can be done. The Chameleon as a mercenary sent to handle the situation has a lot of potential right there.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the chameleon wont work in a film by himself. Who would spidey even fight? the guy has never been much of a physical threat to spidey. he's a master manipulator.

he'd work best with his half brother kraven of course.

 

[vrivasfl]

Agree with above. Spider-Man needs a direct, physical threat, which the Chameleon does not provide. Kraven sounds good, but I don't know if a two-hour film is a good place to dive into their shared history as half-brothers. This series is primarily about Peter, his parents, and Oscorp. I would prefer Electro in large part because of how visually stunning he could potentially look in action.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The man in the shadows is Norman Osborn. I feel like Rhys Ifans just wanted to throw the audience off.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think anyone thinks that Chameleon will be the main villain. I know I have never suggested that. I feel like a technology based villain would be the main villain, with Chameleon continue to carrying the mystery involving the parents and Oscorps. I don't see Electro or Mysterio being involved unless it separate from the Oscorps story.

With that said, Chameleon would to be come more of an assassin/weapon expert/hand-2-hand combat specialist to make him more of a threat to Spidey, as well as being the master manipulator and disguise. His strength could be heighten a little, through formula, hinting at Kraven use of it.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't think there has to be one villain that's main over the other when there's two. I think Chameleon and another villain could have equally big roles in the story. However, I'd definitely prefer to have only one villain.

What I think is most likely is Mysterio is the villain, with the film building up Norman Osborn and leading him to become Green Goblin.

 

[Jexx]

I sort of want the villain to be a Chameleon/Mysterio hybrid, and wear some kind of scaly green suit.

So we can have the trilogy revolve around reptile villains! Muahahaha! (Goblins are sort of reptilian aren't they?)

 

[vrivasfl]

I'll pass on the hybrid and goblins would probably be amphibious. (Probably. Who knows.)

I'd be happy with Chameleon impersonating Peter's father on orders from Osborn in order to keep an eye on him/lead him off the trail while Spider-Man fighting of a villain, preferably one in costume to hide his identity, such as Electro, Shocker, or Mysterio.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I don't get it when people say "Oh, Marion lied about being Talia in TDKR."

There's a very clear difference between these two situations.

Marion was faced with the question about her role in TDKR, she didn't bring it up herself like "Oh, yeah, btw, I'm totally not Talia in TDKR."... she didn't really have a choice.

Rhys however brings up the Norman thing himself, which is why I don't think he's lying.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'll pass on the hybrid and goblins would probably be amphibious. (Probably. Who knows.)

I'd be happy with Chameleon impersonating Peter's father on orders from Osborn in order to keep an eye on him/lead him off the trail while Spider-Man fighting of a villain, preferably one in costume to hide his identity, such as Electro, Shocker, or Mysterio.

Maybe they could reveal that Richard Parker is still alive in TASM2, but in the third film we find out it was chameleon the entire time.

Marion was faced with the question about her role in TDKR, she didn't bring it up herself like "Oh, yeah, btw, I'm totally not Talia in TDKR."... she didn't really have a choice.

Rhys however brings up the Norman thing himself, which is why I don't think he's lying.

Just because Rhys Ifans brought up this topic doesn't mean he must be telling the truth. Sony could have told him to lie or something. A lot of actors give out false information about movies.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Just because Rhys Ifans brought up this topic doesn't mean he must be telling the truth. Sony could have told him to lie or something. A lot of actors give out false information about movies.

Yeah, still don't buy it. Seems weird to have Rhys bring that up himself, only to be lying about it. Not to mention the whole "Yeah. But it is someone who is in the employ of Norman Osborn without question." thing.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah, still don't buy it. Seems weird to have Rhys bring that up himself, only to be lying about it. Not to mention the whole "Yeah. But it is someone who is in the employ of Norman Osborn without question." thing.

And I still don't buy Rhys telling the truth about the man in the shadows not being Norman.

Look, in the end, it doesn't really matter what we think. Its fun to speculate about who it could be, but we will find out in less than 2 years.

 

[Troy_Parker]

And I still don't buy Rhys telling the truth about the man in the shadows not being Norman.

Look, in the end, it doesn't really matter what we think. Its fun to speculate about who it could be, but we will find out in less than 2 years.

Yeah. It's still not Norman, or the Chameleon pretending to be Norman.

But yeah, speculation is fun.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah. It's still not Norman, or the Chameleon pretending to be Norman.

But yeah, speculation is fun.

The chances of it being Norman are pretty high up. I've said this many times here on SHH!, but Norman was shown in the early issues on Amazing Spider-Man as a man hiding in the shadows, wearing a trench coat and hat.

 

[Troy_Parker]

The chances of it being Norman are pretty high up. I've said this many times here on SHH!, but Norman was shown in the early issues on Amazing Spider-Man as a man hiding in the shadows, wearing a trench coat and hat.

Yeah, I'm just having a hard time believing it's him on account of the fact that he disappears into thin air, unless Norman could do that in the comics too.

 

[AF3619]

Yeah, I'm just having a hard time believing it's him on account of the fact that he disappears into thin air, unless Norman could do that in the comics too.

Maybe it was just an hallucination ...maybe , because when "Guy in the shadows"asks him "Did you tell the truth boy about his father?" Connors didn´t ansewer but in his mind said "no" and then GITS just says "Well we´ll leave him for now", maybe GITS interpreted it but , who knows?