The Amazing Spider-Man The After Credits Scene and other nitpicks

[Eddie Brock]

Let me see if I follow your train of thought:

A fight scene in the school isn't a ripoff of a fight scene in the school.
A fight scene at Peter's house is a ripoff of a five second scene of the Goblin attacking Aunt May, where no punches were thrown.
A fight scene at the Bugle is a ripoff of a ten second scene of the Goblin threatening JJ, where no punches were thrown.

Sound about right? Since I'm the one not making sense, I just wanted to break your infallible logic down.

 

[JOE]

Let me see if I follow your train of thought:

A fight scene in the school isn't a ripoff of a fight scene in the school.
A fight scene at Peter's house is a ripoff of a five second scene of the Goblin attacking Aunt May, where no punches were thrown.
A fight scene at the Bugle is a ripoff of a ten second scene of the Goblin threatening JJ, where no punches were thrown.

Sound about right? Since I'm the one not making sense, I just wanted to break your infallible logic down.

Okay, I posted this:

"How is it a ripoff? Do you want him to wait until Peter is finished school to attack him? It's a vulerability tactic, an advantage. Let's wait until he's swinging through the streets of NYC in his costume, so he's ready. He might even give him a text prior to."

Now explain to me how I allegedly think it's a "ripoff".

That's what started this whole arguement. You thinking a school battle would be "a complete ripoff of TASM". When you insist on having a villain attack Peter's house and the Daily Bugle... Despite the fact that the Goblin attacked them both, regardless if there was a battle or not, in the first Spider-Man movie.

Just shut up and stop insisting you're right.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Okay, I posted this:

"How is it a ripoff? Do you want him to wait until Peter is finished school to attack him? It's a vulerability tactic, an advantage. Let's wait until he's swinging through the streets of NYC in his costume, so he's ready. He might even give him a text prior to."

Now explain to me how I allegedly think it's a "ripoff".

That's what started this whole arguement. You thinking a school battle would be "a complete ripoff of TASM". When you insist on having a villain attack Peter's house and the Daily Bugle... Despite the fact that the Goblin attacked them both, regardless if there was a battle or not, in the first Spider-Man movie.

Just shut up and stop insisting you're right.

I never insisted on having that. I said both were preferable alternatives to revisiting the school again.

 

[JOE]

I never insisted on having that. I said both were preferable alternatives to revisiting the school again.

You're calling it "revisiting" since there was a scene in TASM where a villain was at the school? Okay.

I'm calling, by your logic, a scene at Peter's house or a potential Bugle scene "revisiting" since a villain blew both those places up in SM1.

I think that's fair? Your turn to tell me how I'm wrong and how there wasn't technically a fight there so it doesn't count. I just saved you the post. So don't bother.

Are you starting to see my point?

 

[Eddie Brock]

You're calling it "revisiting" since there was a scene in TASM where a villain was at the school? Okay.

I'm calling, by your logic, a scene at Peter's house or a potential Bugle scene "revisiting" since a villain blew both those places up in SM1.

I think that's fair? Your turn to tell me how I'm wrong and how there wasn't technically a fight there so it doesn't count. I just saved you the post. So don't bother.

Are you starting to see my point?

No. I'm calling it "revisiting" because Lizard and Spidey fought at the school, and you want Spidey to fight someone else at the school.

 

[JOE]

No. I'm calling it "revisiting" because Lizard and Spidey fought at the school, and you want Spidey to fight someone else at the school.

You realize anything you write in italic font is all tecnicalities?

 

[Eddie Brock]

You realize anything you write in italic font is all tecnicalities?

You realize a fight scene and an action sequence aren't the same thing?

 

[JOE]

You realize a fight scene and an action sequence aren't the same thing?

You realize having a fight scene in TASM 2 in the school isn't ripping TASM off?

Hey wait a minute... SM1 had M.J get kidnapped, SM2 had M.J get kidnapped, SM3 had M.J get kidnapped... Well I'll be darned, they ALL ripped of SM1!

 

[Eddie Brock]

You realize having a fight scene in TASM 2 in the school isn't ripping TASM off?

Hey wait a minute... SM1 had M.J get kidnapped, SM2 had M.J get kidnapped, SM3 had M.J get kidnapped... Well I'll be darned, they ALL ripped of SM1!

Actually, pretty much everyone agrees that having MJ kidnapped in all three movies was stupid and repetitive - just like they would if you fought in the school again.

 

[JOE]

just like they would if you fought in the school again.

This just in... My sources indicate that Eddie Brock not only speaks for his/herself, but for the entire Spidey nation.

 

[Eddie Brock]

This just in... My sources indicate that Eddie Brock not only speaks for his/herself, but for the entire Spidey nation.

Now that you've officially run out of counter-arguments, I would venture to say we're done here.

 

[JOE]

Now that you've officially run out of counter-arguments, I would venture to say we're done here.

A counter-argument entails that an argument was made in the first place.

And you've yet to realize that according to your "ripoff" theory, any villain at Peter's house or the Daily Bugle would be "ripping off" SM1. End of story.

Come up with something else besides your famous technicalities and then we'll have a real argument.

 

[Hugebear]

And the Chameleon's going to challenge Peter intellectually? He's not a genius like Lizard, Octavius, or Goblin. He's just sneaky.

Yes, well not Peter exactly but Spider-man, if the villain can't challenge him physically then he will intellectually. It really depends on the writers because they don’t always get him right. I think the Chameleon should be done as a mastermind for the movies. And I know the villain hasn’t been confirmed, but the argument was that no one knows how the Chameleon would be done in the movies.

 

[Eddie Brock]

A counter-argument entails that an argument was made in the first place.

And you've yet to realize that according to your "ripoff" theory, any villain at Peter's house or the Daily Bugle would be "ripping off" SM1. End of story.

Come up with something else besides your famous technicalities and then we'll have a real argument.

I know my argument isn't so complicated that you keep missing it, so I'm forced to assume you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Nevertheless, let me break it down for you:

Fight scene: an action sequence wherein the hero and villain exchange blows; to date we have had these fight scenes:

1. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, Unity Day festival above the parade balloons
2. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, in the burning apartment building
3. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, at the George Washington bridge
4. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, in the abandoned building
5. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, inside the bank
6. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, on the side of the clocktower/on top of the train (continuous fight)
7. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, inside the collapsed pier warehouse
8. Spider-Man vs. New Goblin, above the streets of Manhattan
9. Spider-Man vs. Sandman, inside the armored truck
10. Spider-Man vs. New Goblin, inside the Osborn mansion
11. Spider-Man vs. Sandman, in the subway tunnels
12. Spider-Man vs. Sandman/Venom, at the construction site
13. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, in the sewers
14. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, in the high school
15. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, on top of OsCorp tower

Wow. Look at that. Not one location was used more than once.

 

[JOE]

I know my argument isn't so complicated that you keep missing it, so I'm forced to assume you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Nevertheless, let me break it down for you:

Fight scene: an action sequence wherein the hero and villain exchange blows; to date we have had these fight scenes:

1. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, Unity Day festival above the parade balloons
2. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, in the burning apartment building
3. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, at the George Washington bridge
4. Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin, in the abandoned building
5. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, inside the bank
6. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, on the side of the clocktower/on top of the train (continuous fight)
7. Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, inside the collapsed pier warehouse
8. Spider-Man vs. New Goblin, above the streets of Manhattan
9. Spider-Man vs. Sandman, inside the armored truck
10. Spider-Man vs. New Goblin, inside the Osborn mansion
11. Spider-Man vs. Sandman, in the subway tunnels
12. Spider-Man vs. Sandman/Venom, at the construction site
13. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, in the sewers
14. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, in the high school
15. Spider-Man vs. Lizard, on top of OsCorp tower

Wow. Look at that. Not one location was used more than once.

And now the big question, WHY were they never used again? Hmm, let's go through this, try to follow along.

1) Did you want them to wait a year until the next Unity Day Festival? Maybe have Macy sing at it too?

2) Let's have a third burning building in the series, lest you forget when Peter Parker saved that little girl? But we won't mention that.

3) This was the first of 2 bridge scenes.

4) Abandoned building... Mhmm sounds familiar, oh I got it! He fought the car thief after the wrestling match in an abandoned building. Or wait, does that not approve your standard of "fight scene" since he's not a supervillain.

5) Goblin = Rich, no use for stolen money. Harry = Rich, no use either. Sandman = Robbed a bank, or does that not count as a bank scene either.

6) What use does Sandman, or the Green Goblin have of the Clock Tower? My understanding was this was a meeting place for Doc and Spider-Man to settle unfinished business.

7) Collapsed warehouse, or abandoned building?... Again? My tally says 3 on that one.

8) Streets of Manhattan? I guess the carthief before the play in SM2 doesn't count as the sreets?

9) Armored truck, after the bank robbery. Within the same scene. Potato, potato.

10) Because you expected Sandman or Venom to fight him in Harry/Norman's House?

11) Subway tunnels, subway scene, subway footlong sandwich. It's all the same. Tunnel, more like sewer. Or does that sound familiar to TASM? I think it does!

12) Construction site, there wasn't any construction during SM1 or 2. Sorry.

13) Sewers, you mean the same ones that Flint went through as a pile of mud?

14) no high school fights in SM1 2 or 3. Why? Because he graduated too early and was never Spider-Man early enough into the movie.

15) Oscorp tower, I would not be suprised at all if it was another battle scene was taking place there in the future. Especially with how heavily they've made Oscorp a factor.



I completed your quiz, I think you'll be suprised how wrong you actually are. Case closed Eddie.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I completed your quiz, I think you'll be suprised how wrong you actually are. Case closed Eddie.

Sorry, I just can't take this argument seriously anymore after such a cheesy signoff as "Case closed Eddie." Believe whatever you want, man.

 

[JOE]

Yes, well not Peter exactly but Spider-man, if the villain can't challenge him physically then he will intellectually.QUOTE]


@Eddie Brock

Guess I'm not the only one who thinks so?

 

[JOE]

Sorry, I just can't take this argument seriously anymore after such a cheesy signoff as "Case closed Eddie." Believe whatever you want, man.

That's what I'd do if I was proven wrong. Resort to humor.

Case. Closed. Eddie. Brock.

 

[Eddie Brock]

That's what I'd do if I was proven wrong. Resort to humor.

Case. Closed. Eddie. Brock.

Proven wrong? I specifically defined "fight scene" as "hero and villain," yet you used the car thief from SM1 and carjackers from SM2 as examples. I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to agree on terminology, because you'll always throw out examples like that which do not qualify under my definition. Also, adding. Periods. Doesn't. Make. You. Right.

 

[JOE]

Sorry, I just can't take this argument seriously anymore after such a cheesy signoff as "Case closed Eddie." Believe whatever you want, man.

But please, tell me I'm wrong... Again. Those 15 statements, tell me their all fabricated and none of them have any validity. Then you can look like a moron in front of everyone and show people how much you really don't know about Spider-Man.

Or you could just change the topic like you just did to avoid the fact that I proved you wrong in every single one of your 15 statements.

 

[JOE]

Proven wrong? I specifically defined "fight scene" as "hero and villain," yet you used the car thief from SM1 and carjackers from SM2 as examples. I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to agree on terminology, because you'll always throw out examples like that which do not qualify under my definition. Also, adding. Periods. Doesn't. Make. You. Right.

Take out those two examples then if they don't count. What about the other 13? Don't avoid them. Tell me what you think? Did I open your eyes, even slightly?

 

[Eddie Brock]

Take out those two examples then if they don't count. What about the other 13? Don't avoid them. Tell me what you think? Did I open your eyes, even slightly?

If it matters so much, let's take a look.

1. I hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as the Unity Festival. They made it up for SM1. Why, you may ask? Because it gave them a great setting for the first fight.
2. Peter saving the girl from the building is not a fight scene. But we've been over this.
3. You'll note I didn't list the TASM bridge scene as a fight. Why? Because no blows were exchanged. Spidey kicked Lizard once, and that was it.
4. Already discussed, moving on.
5. Spidey didn't fight Sandman at the bank. Ergo, the two fights in question (Ock and Sandy) happened in different locations.
6. Spidey could've fought any of his other enemies at a clocktower. He didn't. Because there was no need to go back there. Sound familiar?
7. So since the warehouse from SM1 and the pier from SM2 are both abandoned, they're the same? Nope, sorry. For one, Spidey and Goblin didn't fight in front of a giant fusion reactor. For another, the pier was much more wide open.
8. Already discussed, moving on.
9. An armored truck and the inside of a bank, despite having the same purpose, are not the same thing. The fight with Ock was spacious and spilled out into the street, the fight with Sandy was closed in tight.
10. Nope, and that's just my point. They came up with an incredibly unique place to hold a fight. Spidey's school is not unique. Why? Because any of his villains can fight him there, provided they discover his identity.
11. Subway tunnels and sewer tunnels are completely different. Against Sandy, Spidey was able to make use of the space, as well as using the passing trains as weapons. Against Lizard, most of it was underwater, and Spidey barely had room to move.
12. There could have been, but they chose not to. Why? Because there's no need to reuse a locale.
13. Sandy got flushed out through a sewer drain, but Spidey never fought him there. The fight took place in subway until Spidey burst open a water main and flushed Sandy down. Not the same thing.
14. Yeah, and it was great that they got to fight in the school... once. Let's not beat people over the head with it.
15. They certainly could revisit the top of OsCorp tower, but they probably won't. At most, we'll see a fight on top of another skyscraper, but it'll be a different NYC landmark.

 

[JOE]

If it matters so much, let's take a look.

1. I hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as the Unity Festival. They made it up for SM1. Why, you may ask? Because it gave them a great setting for the first fight.
2. Peter saving the girl from the building is not a fight scene. But we've been over this.
3. You'll note I didn't list the TASM bridge scene as a fight. Why? Because no blows were exchanged. Spidey kicked Lizard once, and that was it.
4. Already discussed, moving on.
5. Spidey didn't fight Sandman at the bank. Ergo, the two fights in question (Ock and Sandy) happened in different locations.
6. Spidey could've fought any of his other enemies at a clocktower. He didn't. Because there was no need to go back there. Sound familiar?
7. So since the warehouse from SM1 and the pier from SM2 are both abandoned, they're the same? Nope, sorry. For one, Spidey and Goblin didn't fight in front of a giant fusion reactor. For another, the pier was much more wide open.
8. Already discussed, moving on.
9. An armored truck and the inside of a bank, despite having the same purpose, are not the same thing. The fight with Ock was spacious and spilled out into the street, the fight with Sandy was closed in tight.
10. Nope, and that's just my point. They came up with an incredibly unique place to hold a fight. Spidey's school is not unique. Why? Because any of his villains can fight him there, provided they discover his identity.
11. Subway tunnels and sewer tunnels are completely different. Against Sandy, Spidey was able to make use of the space, as well as using the passing trains as weapons. Against Lizard, most of it was underwater, and Spidey barely had room to move.
12. There could have been, but they chose not to. Why? Because there's no need to reuse a locale.
13. Sandy got flushed out through a sewer drain, but Spidey never fought him there. The fight took place in subway until Spidey burst open a water main and flushed Sandy down. Not the same thing.
14. Yeah, and it was great that they got to fight in the school... once. Let's not beat people over the head with it.
15. They certainly could revisit the top of OsCorp tower, but they probably won't. At most, we'll see a fight on top of another skyscraper, but it'll be a different NYC landmark.

You say they don't use the same sets as fight scenes. I beg to differ.

1) I show you why they don't use the same scenes, like the Unity Day Festival, and you throw it in my face? I'm explaining to you why it can never be used again, I know it's not a real thing.

2) If Shocker came to Midtown High and blew the place up, and Peter had to save a girl caught in debris, would that count as reusing the school scene?

3) He kicked the Lizard, I guess by your categorization you have to kick or hit the person at least twice now? Make up your mind.

4) Abandoned building in SM1, and SM2 with Doc. Were they both not vacant properties? Again, make up your mind.

5) He chased an armored car, with what inside? Money. Similar to Doc with the yellow money bags. Let's call a spade a spade here, shall we?

6) Spidey doesn't get an education at a clock tower. He doesn't spend half his day there. It isn't a place a villain would go to find him, Doc arranged the meeting. His school on the other hand is a place where he could be found.

7) You're going back to those tecnicalities... An abandoned warehouse is an abandoned warehouse! It's the same general idea!

8) I count fight scenes any time Spidey is "fighting" someone. Sorry if you don't.

9) Closed in and tight? Do you not remember Spidey going "Kawabunga" surfer dude all over the streets? Give me a break, closed in and tight...

10) Okay, it's unique. They don't have to go back nor should they. However, the other above 9 and below 5 points can or already have been gone back and fourth to and from.

11) You're nitpicking heavy there. They ended up in a sewer in the movie.

12) It's a scenrio based scene, there was construction... They fought at it? There's not much to it.

13) Another heavy nitpick. He found him and drained him. Mostly like how he got drained from the lizard.

14) So much potential as there's more to a school than the hallway and library. No students were involved, minus Gwen. There's a whole Flash trying to help Spidey aspect that they could touch on. Not to mention just the physical boundaries of the school.

15) Why would it be different? Do you agree that this trilogy could entirely revolve around Oscorp? The heart of Oscorp is the tower, which could very well be a future fight scene/setting.


Look, I've made my point over and over and over again. It's like I'm talking to a wall now so I really don't see the point. If you disagree you disagree. We all have our opinions. I respect yours, I just hope they do use the school again as it has a lot of potential as TSSM has shown us. I want them to use it.

Cheers.

 

[Supa]

I'd rather the movies use an original location for a fight, like Eddie said. Maybe instead of on the Oscorp tower, they could fight inside it, and use chairs and desks to smack the crap out of each other.
Or maybe if we have Venom at some point on the side of a building.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Look, I've made my point over and over and over again. It's like I'm talking to a wall now so I really don't see the point. If you disagree you disagree. We all have our opinions. I respect yours, I just hope they do use the school again as it has a lot of potential as TSSM has shown us. I want them to use it.

Cheers.

I agree. Glad this disagreement didn't descend any further into anger, and we can walk away like gentlemen.

I'd rather the movies use an original location for a fight, like Eddie said. Maybe instead of on the Oscorp tower, they could fight inside it, and use chairs and desks to smack the crap out of each other.
Or maybe if we have Venom at some point on the side of a building.

I think one place they should definitely use eventually is Grand Central Station. It's such a New York landmark, and it'd be great for a fight - lots of open space for Spidey to swing around.