The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

Its possible. But studios will not be taking their calls for a while. Maybe they’ll start doing small indie films again the future and build up clout but for the foreseeable future they’re going to be seen as PR poison to any movie studio worth a damn.
 
Its possible. But studios will not be taking their calls for a while. Maybe they’ll start doing small indie films again the future and build up clout but for the foreseeable future they’re going to be seen as PR poison to any movie studio worth a damn.

WB will be fine with Ezra then.
 
Hope it's for real and that Ezra feels genuine regret over torching their career and possibly hurting other people's, and people.
 
Its possible. But studios will not be taking their calls for a while. Maybe they’ll start doing small indie films again the future and build up clout but for the foreseeable future they’re going to be seen as PR poison to any movie studio worth a damn.

I’m not expecting any big budget flicks off the bat, but if they can demonstrate that they’re doing the necessary treatments and can stay out of trouble, then I do think studios will work with them on smaller flicks.

If Flash fails, then that’s another story.
 
Miller will play a young Salvador Dali in Daliland — a biopic directed by Mary Harron. It sounds like a small role (Ben Kingsley is the star, and he plays the older Dali). And the film (or at least Miller’s scenes) was shot before The Flash went into production. In any case, Daliland is set to premier at TIFF next month.
 
People love a comeback story. We’ve seen people like Mel Gibson come back for example despite doing some pretty reprehensible things and now people kinda love him again.
 
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Yeah, you have to have some breakouts first. The Flash was going to be Ezra Miller's breakout.
This ain't exactly a comeback story like Mel Gibson or Robert Downey Jr who amassed decades of breakout work until they crashed down, disappeared for a long while then came back with something big.
 
As I said a week ago, if they do things the right way it will take about a decade. Then they will make some indy flicks that people like and it could go well.

RDJ never went away really DarkKnight, he was always around doing something whether it was indy flicks or tv or something. He is the living embodiment of what privilege gets you because if he wasnt famous he would be dead or in prison.
 
RDJ had the benefit of not having the internet and social media during his downfall. The internet absolutely would have torn his image to shreds and it would have been a lot harder for him to land that Iron Man role.
 
Ezra Miller needs to go away for the rest of the year and lay low while he gets treatment. The apology is a start but its gonna take a while through his actions to show the change.
 
RDJ had the benefit of not having the internet and social media during his downfall. The internet absolutely would have torn his image to shreds and it would have been a lot harder for him to land that Iron Man role.

there is zero chance he would have continued to get roles during that time. I have to admit Downey is the greatest example of turning your life around for the better.
 
Ezra is garbage. They’re only seeking help because they were forced to. You add to that, that I never cared or wanted Michael Kenton’s return, and I’ve come to the conclusion that I won’t be paying for this movie. WB has proven themselves to be completely incompetent at this, and they need a completely fresh start from scratch.
 
Burglary, multiple assaults on women, multiple child protective orders to name a few. How does this get walked back exactly? It's not as if it's smoke and mirrors.
 
Because, as of yet, he hasn't been convicted of anything. Until they are found guilty there is always a way to walk it back ask Deshaun Watson...
 
Supposedly someone close to Ezra committed suicide earlier this year and that was kind of the triggering point of their downward spiral. Not that that excuses anything they've done but...that at least gives insight to what's triggering it.
 
Burglary, multiple assaults on women, multiple child protective orders to name a few. How does this get walked back exactly? It's not as if it's smoke and mirrors.

I'm not sure how it gets walked back, but whether the allegations are true or not, there are enough people in fandom who willing put them aside regardless ,because they want to see the film.

Alot of people WB are counting on that, in addition to hoping everything blowing over a year from now.

They think a " tell all interview" and some more mea culpas ,will be enough, and for alot of fans who want to see the film anyway, it probably will be.

Whether that will extend to the GA remains to be seen, but WB is making the calculation that all will be well enough to release the film controversy free.
 
People love a comeback story. We’ve seen people like Mel Gibson come back for example despite doing some pretty reprehensible things and now people kinda love him again.


Mel Gibson was a popular and successful actor and box office draw


Ezra Miller is known pretty much entirely for the Flash and a large amount of people feel that Ezra is miscast in that role. Not to mention the things Ezra is accused of overall are worse
 
Mel Gibson was a popular and successful actor and box office draw


Ezra Miller is known pretty much entirely for the Flash and a large amount of people feel that Ezra is miscast in that role. Not to mention the things Ezra is accused of overall are worse

Yeah.
The Mel Gibson and RDJ comparisons really don't apply.

I'm skeptical alot of fans would even be defending, or care all that much about them , had they not been the Flash and apart of a major upcoming DC film.
 
Yeah.
The Mel Gibson and RDJ comparisons really don't apply.

I'm skeptical alot of fans would even be defending, or care all that much about them , had they not been the Flash and apart of a major upcoming DC film.

That logic applies to any embattled celebrity. RDJ and Mel's actions aren't defensible either, but they're famous, and people like their work. So as viewers, we combat the cognitive dissonance by leaning on the redemption angle and then silently agreeing not to talk about it after awhile.

Sure, Ezra isn't as beloved as either of those guys were prior to their controversies, but they're still very much a celebrity with a fanbase and creative output that audiences want to see.
 
That logic applies to any embattled celebrity. RDJ and Mel's actions aren't defensible either, but they're famous, and people like their work. So as viewers, we combat the cognitive dissonance by leaning on the redemption angle and then silently agreeing not to talk about it after awhile.

Sure, Ezra isn't as beloved as either of those guys were prior to their controversies, but they're still very much a celebrity with a fanbase and creative output that audiences want to see.

Maybe, possibly, in general .

But here we're talking about a specific celebrity in this case, one who's connected to a CBM that alot of CBM fans want to see.

I think alot of the defense of Miller in fandom specifically, has much less to do with being fans of them, but more to do with the fact that alot of fans want to see the film regardless the validity of accusations against them.

I haven't even seen all that many fans argue that their innocent, or that they even like them as an actor or a person all that much.

Gibson was beloved and popular , which is alot of the reason he had fans and has been able to recover to an extent.

I'm not seeing that with Ezra, even from those in fandom who are defending them, which is what I'm talking about.

I feel at has very little to do with Ezra themselves as far as fandom is concerned.

That's the big difference when comparing Gibson , who was beloved and very popular , and even Downey who had a much higher profile and was well respected.

RDJ had substance abuse issues , which , most people didn't consider heinous at the time, i.e. he wasn't reviled or hated for them.

He went to jail , but the public didn't hate him or revile him at all.

If anything, the thought was he would OD, but there wasn't this great level of ill will towards him.
People weren't against him, they were concerned for him.

Ezra isn't anywhere near the category of those two in terms of popularity and fondness, and neither of those two were accused of grooming children.

People tend to take the grooming of children much more seriously than substance abuse or offensive remarks .

So no, they really aren't the same.

As someone who's old enough to remember both scandals with the actors, they really aren't comparable.

If Ezra's only issues were substance abuse , mental health issues, and bigoted remarks, i'd agree with you alot more in drawing comparisons.

R. Kelly and Woody Allen are much closer to Ezra if we're talking about accusations and perceptions of them after allegations.
But even then, using them as a comparisons means acknowledging how their careers were hurt and haven't recovered since their allegations.
They still have fans to , but it's not like they've recovered or bounced back.
 
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Who exactly is defending Ezra besides like one Twitter account? I am not seeing anything...

Well, I'll concede the term defending may not be the best term to use.

But there are certainly fans of their's who feel sympathy for them .

There are certain alot in fandom , outside of twitter ,who are willing to look past the allegations , true or not, because they want to see the film.

I haven't seen anyone challenge that.
 
I feel the end result is the same, regardless of whether folks are fans of an actor or just a movie the actor is attached to. Ultimately, they are affording a level of leeway to that actor that they would not afford to an average joe.
 
Well, I'll concede the term defending may not be the best term to use.

But there are certainly fans of their's who feel sympathy for them .

There are certain alot in fandom , outside of twitter ,who are willing to look past the allegations , true or not, because they want to see the film.

I haven't seen anyone challenge that.

Sorry but I am going to disagree with you. Just because people want to see the film doesn't mean they are looking past what they are accused of. I want to see the film and I still think Ezra is a psychopath. Were people who saw Death on the Nile looking past the allegations against Armie Hammer or do they just want to see the film despite him?

I get it, Ezra makes the film unwatchable to you but that doesn't mean the rest of us are somehow ok with Ezra just because of the role they are playing. That is simplistic at best and rather insulting to be honest with you.

As for the weirdos who have sympathy for them...there were people who loved Manson (not "The Family" I am talking about people who knew what he did and weren't brainwashed by him) and other serial killers there is always a sick subset of society that just finds that cool and fascinating. It is sick, but there are people that are just sick. Acting like that is something that just exists in fandom is rather naïve.
 

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