The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[The Guard]

I think we're going to be find out that a lot of what people think was CGI...wasn't.

Some of the clickbait sites are in for a surprise.

 

[Hurm...]

Those were some really ugly, real babies then :wink:

 

[Superark]

I saw the film today and I genuinely liked it. I have never been an Ezra fan and I have always hated his Flash, but even I'll admit he did an admirable job in this movie. I didn't know how I would feel about this film. I was expecting to hate most of it, so I was pleasantly surprised when I didn't.

I am not surprised the movie flopped this weekend. The Snyderverse was never welcomed with open arms by the general public and I don't think Ezra ever had any sort of appeal to the GA.

I am kind of glad it did poorly as it will be easier for Gunn and company to completely move on and reboot. I do feel bad for Keaton however. Batgirl was cancelled and this movie flopped. He was great as expected and I would love to see him one more time as Batman in a solo film. Granted, that is the Keaton fanboy in me speaking, nothing more.

 

[Detective Conan]

Gunn has an uphill battle and having all these DC movies bomb is not making his job any easier. Is gonna take a lot of effort to change people's minds that what's coming is "something different".
I have faith in his Superman take, but everything else? I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Actually I’d argue it makes his job a little easier since the failure makes the justification for a clean slate all the more necessary. For example, If the Flash had been a bonafide hit I’d argue it would inevitably complicate matters for Gunn’s reboot at some point because I do think they might’ve forced Gunn to retrofit his plans to accommodate Ezra as the DCU Flash or something and keep more things from the old DCU than he was willing to. And it’s really for the best that Gunn does a hard reset on this whole franchise, and get rid of a lot of this baggage.

 

[DyeLorean]

Actually I’d argue it makes his job a little easier since the failure makes the justification for a clean slate all the more necessary. For example, If the Flash had been a bonafide hit I’d argue it would inevitably complicated matters for Gunn’s reboot at some point because I do think they might’ve forced Gunn to retrofit his plans to accommodate Ezra as the DCU Flash or something and keep more things from the old DCU then he was willing to. And it’s really for the best that Gunn does a hard reset on this whole franchise.

Point taken! Although I don't know why Gunn praised this movie so damn hard if that was the case. He obviously wanted it to be a hit.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think we're going to be find out that a lot of what people think was CGI...wasn't.

Some of the clickbait sites are in for a surprise.

Can you elaborate? Because I honestly do not know what you could be talking about.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

This a friendly reminder that you don't need to make excuses when a bad movie you like bombs critically and financially. It's okay to admit you enjoyed a bad movie that others despised. Heck, I still enjoy Batman Forever and Batman & Robin and I'm well aware of those movies shortcomings.

Also, told you so.

B&R screwed the pooch big time, but Batman Forever was a huge success at the time, at least financially.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Posted this in the spoiler thread but seeing there are no spoilers, I'll post here as well

Spoiler

Just came home from the theater and, overall, it was entertaining.

I absolutely loved Keatons as Batman and would say that this more aggressive and modern take on him might be my favorite. I loved Burtons of course but those movies were a bit campy, which added to their charm.

I also enjoyed seeing Ben Afflec as Batman. Despite the many flaws the Snyder movies had I liked his ruthless approach to Batman and would have loved seeing him on a standalone Batman movie.

Batman fighting, choreography and costumes; as well the the Batcave, vehicles and Bruce Mannor were spotted on and makes me excited for the directors take on the cape crusader for his solo movie.

Supergirl - loved her, she did sell with the limited time she had. It was probably the best Super action I've seen - Snyder superman action was all over the place and hard to follow, but here I enjoyed it and it didn't lose a punch. Wish to see more of her in the future.

Barry/Flash was enjoyable, young Barry was annoying though and really brought the movie down for me. I enjoyed the humor at first but it got old and stale, I hated the scene with the roommates.

I liked the concept of the Chrono Bowl but didn't like the CGI. It was inconsistent because I thought it looked pretty cool when they showed the previous incarnation of the characters but not when they were going back in time and seeing the events unfold. I don't get how the CGI was this bad given the movie was delayed, what? 3 or 5 years? Even if it was a stylistic choice, it didn't work for me. Loved the concept, not the execution.

Same thing with the opening run sequence of the Flash between Central City and Gotham city, it looked like PSw graphics. Don't get me started on the baby shower sequence. I guess Quicksilver set the bar very high, although I think Snyder Flash CGI looked pretty good.

Dark Flash - was hoping to have seem more of him and an actual fight.

I enjoyed Clooney at the end, it added to the absurdity to the events. Barry messed up and has to live with the consequence of messing with time travel by having this Bruce.

It gave me the urge to watch the Snyder movies.

EDITED -- There were actual spoilers in here -- Squeekness

 

[Invader Joker]

I think we're going to be find out that a lot of what people think was CGI...wasn't.

Some of the clickbait sites are in for a surprise.

If it's shot so **** it looks that CGI I'd argue that's even worse.

 

[squeekness]

PLEASE DONT POST SPOILERS HERE, EVEN LITTLE ONES.

Thanks!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

PLEASE DONT POST SPOILERS HERE, EVEN LITTLE ONES.

Thanks!

Appreciate it (I was going to delete my response but I see you've already done that as well!)

 

[DCDAVE]

The Flash movie seemed destined to fail because quite Frankly it was supposed to come out in 2018, had multiple director changes, and three different DC heads controlling it. I know fans don’t all watch the CW Flash but I don’t see the difference between Ezra and Grant’s Flash. The CW Flash did everything that the Flash movie presented over the years it was on air. Maybe instead of Zod they should have went with the Thomas and Martha Wayne route. It would have at least been something the GA had not seen before.

 

[The Guard]

Those were some really ugly, real babies then :wink:

Most are.

Can you elaborate? Because I honestly do not know what you could be talking about.

I dunno, I just think there's overcomplaining, and some of what I've seen on the clickbaity sites...they're posting like, pictures of what appears to be Ezra Miller...Ezra Millering as their evidence for bad CGI? I just don't think as much of this film was CGI as people think, or at least that many of the elements they're complaining about are actually CGI. Not that most people have really given a specific example of what they thought was bad CGI, mind you. Just watching this unfold.

If it's shot so **** it looks that CGI I'd argue that's even worse.

I don't know what that even means, because again, I don't know what elements people are really annoyed with. The main complaint I see is that things don't look like they're fully rendered. But if something is actually a real person, that complaint sort of falls apart, doesn't it? Because then it becomes that it was clearly an apporach by the visual effects department.

I can recall exactly one moment where the CGI stood out, let alone looked "poorly rendered". and it's where

Spoiler

Flash is standing in front of the collapsing hospital

. It was just obvious that it had to be CGI.

 

[The Guard]

The Flash movie seemed destined to fail because quite Frankly it was supposed to come out in 2018, had multiple director changes, and three different DC heads controlling it. I know fans don’t all watch the CW Flash but I don’t see the difference between Ezra and Grant’s Flash. The CW Flash did everything that the Flash movie presented over the years it was on air. Maybe instead of Zod they should have went with the Thomas and Martha Wayne route. It would have at least been something the GA had not seen before.

I actually think that since this was a different timeline, maybe they should have just chosen a different invading force, say, Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips, or White Martians or Dominators or...something. However, when this was being made, there were probably still plans for Darkseid in some capacity.

 

[Filmfreak]

I think it's pretty obvious which parts were CGI and which weren't throughout the whole movie. And it's not just about the textures. The animated movements were horrendously unrealistic.

Even so, nobody said that lighting and cinematography weren't bad too. If there were indeed moments that looked fake while weren't that's no compliment to the movie. It's an entirely negative thing to achieve.

 

[DCDAVE]

I actually think that since this was a different timeline, maybe they should have just chosen a different invading force, say, Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips, or White Martians or Dominators or...something. However, when this was being made, there were probably still plans for Darkseid in some capacity.

Yeah any of your selections for the villains. I see people are blasting Andy but I think he took one for the WB team. This movie went through multiple directors and several regime changes. With Ezra going nuts after the movie was almost completed it the movie was doomed. Think about it, the basis of the movie was an old Batman from 89 and a new Spanish Super Girl, along with Ezra who has tons of issues.

 

[antsman41]

Saying Andy shouldn't do B&TB because The Flash's BO is not cool.

Saying Andy shouldn't do B&TB because he lacks any directional skill on showcasing Batman's iconography and presence is really cool.

 

[Frodo]

It's wild to think that this thing was in development as far back as Season 1 of the Flash TV series.

 

[Iceman]

I actually think that since this was a different timeline, maybe they should have just chosen a different invading force, say, Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips, or White Martians or Dominators or...something. However, when this was being made, there were probably still plans for Darkseid in some capacity.

Maybe, although I wouldn’t want White Martians wasted here - save them for a JL sequel if we ever get there.

 

[Iceman]

Actually I’d argue it makes his job a little easier since the failure makes the justification for a clean slate all the more necessary. For example, If the Flash had been a bonafide hit I’d argue it would inevitably complicate matters for Gunn’s reboot at some point because I do think they might’ve forced Gunn to retrofit his plans to accommodate Ezra as the DCU Flash or something and keep more things from the old DCU than he was willing to. And it’s really for the best that Gunn does a hard reset on this whole franchise, and get rid of a lot of this baggage.

Yeah, if this had been as good as WB were making out and made over a billion, there could be pressure on Gunn to change his plans. I don’t think it outright bombing is a good thing either though.

 

[Karelia]

It's wild to think that this thing was in development as far back as Season 1 of the Flash TV series.

It really is man. The Flash ran 9 seasons and finished before The Flash film released. Wild.

 

[The Guard]

It's wild to think that this thing was in development as far back as Season 1 of the Flash TV series.

A Flash movie has been in various stages of development and development hell since before Season 1 of the original Sci-Fi Flash TV series. I think the villain was an alien shape shifter in the original version.

 

[Frodo]

A Flash movie has been in various stages of development and development hell since before Season 1 of the original Sci-Fi Flash TV series. I think the villain was an alien shape shifter in the original version.

Yeah, that's true.
Goyer also had a version with Wally West in the mid 00s as well .

 

[Karelia]

Yeah, that's true.
Goyer also had a version with Wally West in the mid 00s as well .

Wasn't Ryan Reynolds in discussions for Wally? Man, that takes me back.

 

[samsnee]

Wasn't Ryan Reynolds in discussions for Wally? Man, that takes me back.

Yeah this site has a good rundown of its history.
Shawn Levy was attached at one point.

The Flash: A Timeline of the Movie's Hazardous Production